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[pokari]

38

Heck if I know the state of VR these days XD Knowing used to be part of my job, now I just use my ol' headset play Beat Saber ~w~;

[PItiful Boar]

39 don’t they have hentai ported over to vr sets yet?
Oniiiiichan

[pokari]

Although I don't think I would ever go for any of it myself, I believe vaguely pornographic stuff of all sorts has been available for VR since very early, as one would expect, humans being humans (and guys being guys), and all that. I'm not sure where one finds such things but if I've seen them around (like at after-parties at conventions) one can be certain they're around and about.

...Honestly I feel like there's a not-uncommon type of person whose first or second question when considering VR is, "Wouldn't it be great to do dirty things?" A lot of that, I assume, is from over-excitement about how immersive VR really is. But there's got to be at least a bunch of hobby developers who've given it their all to bring all of the gutter directly to one's eyeballs.

...I want to say there was even something like a quietly awkward early moment when one of the more commercially-successful VR-video markets was porn, but don't quote me on that, and that's sort of yet-another-thing anyway.

For hentai per se, I presume the question is less how much there is for VR and more how much is ported to English. (Aside: Also you probably wouldn't "port" hentai to VR much, between game-design problems and how it's mostly 2D—you'd make new stuff instead. Not that that's consequential to the gist of your question).

I know there were some visual novels in VR of at least a semi-salacious nature on Steam, even, but outright hentai? I don't know. Somebody has to translate the stuff. I don't even play visual novels normally, much less eroge, so I wouldn't know where to look.

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Rambling on at length when given a question like this may or may not be an occupational hazard. Post-occupational hazard? Something like that.

[PItiful Boar]

41 the only thing that I can add to the convo was that there was the first ever h-vr conference held in Japan some years back but it got canceled 

 

there were some prototypes out, early release demos. Male programmers on lonely nights working on polygon rendering and In need of some spiritual comfort from their imotou are the best to come up with such products. Or art, I should call it. 

Bit tired these days, been sleeping at eleven and waking up around nine something ... Dreams are also a bit messed up. Like I dreamt about going into this weird hotel that was built behind a coffee shop, maybe like persona 5? And it had two suites like a duplex, was bigger once you get inside. Dreamt about going to sleep in my dream. Maybe not sleeping well. Today I actually slept through my alarm...

[pokari]

Speaking of, I'm mid-attempt for clawing my sleep schedule back from 4-to-12-ish to something more respectable. ~w~ My sleep schedule has never been so bad before.

42

I know the stress is getting to all of us, but I hope you sleep better soon. *hugs*

[PItiful Boar]

43 no it's more of an existential first-world country thing thats getting me rn 

like why am i not in charge of the world and voting for these idiotic short-sighted capitalists in charge kind of thing

[PItiful Boar]

44 is a consumption based economy a virtual economy ? 

[pokari]

The flip-side is the possibility that those of us that have a bunch of ideas about how things could be run better, would, if given the reigns of the world, despite doing many good things, get some of of them horribly wrong and mess up everything.

Although the short-term capitalist stuff is, indeed, fairly straightforwardly, sheer excrement. Pandering to our own worst judgement glitches, regarding short-term vs long-term gain.

Still, systemic inertia has its purpose. It's just that its affects cannot be applied discriminately. Honestly as I get older I feel like a lot of society works like that: The systems and rules that actually hold things together are in fact quite resistant to being harnessed selectively by man for more-constructive ends, and are quite prone to crushing things underfoot. The game theory of society and evolution and whatnot just isn't always that forgiving; guiding forces that are self-stabilising and work without much coordination have a severe systemic advantage over those things that would be best. (Which is no reason to stop trying to make things better, of course.)

45

What's a virtual economy in this context?

[PItiful Boar]

46 wow u getting old man

where's your affection for genuine socialism

context is the back and forth debate on the coronavirus relief check - as you know if poor people don't spend, the economy doesn't flow.... or does it? How does consuming cheap products from China or Vietnam (since China is falling out of favor) so they can get the american cash to buy american corporate bonds / treasury savings work? 

[pokari]

Advocating socialism isn't in any way precluded by what I was saying. Though I think full-blown communism perhaps is. "Everyone owns everything" is not a self-stabilising set of affairs.

As far as moving to socialism from capitalism, for us, is concerned, it rather posits:
A.) That switching too quickly from capitalism towards a more socialist system could be disastrous in its own right, and
B.) that the crude mechanisms that keep us from changing too quickly (primarily doubt and fear, also stuff like unenlightened self-interest for the current state of affairs) cause us to change too slowly , and
C.) that there's nothing much to be done about it except keep plodding determinedly in the direction we think is right, dragging that ball-and-chain behind us: The above-stated forces are dumb and indiscriminate, but that's conversely why they are so effective at holding societies together. If you could get rid of them it would probably end terribly. (Perhaps not so for each and every individual such force, mind, but having at least some-or-other collection of them seems necessary.)

47

It's so nice to have a blue sky today. ~w~ Not something I ever anticipated saying in California.

Hold on, I should still get to the second part of your post but it will take a bit.

[PItiful Boar]

48 full-blown communism or high communism (as supposed to low communism or socialism) is where the working class no longer needs to seize power, specifically, in the power of the means of production (*and not distribution*) 

We need to seize the production of nukes... when? 

Seriously I think the production of nuclear bombs pretty much ended the discussion... they didn't have nukes back then when Marx was alive. (Edit; This is for the non-statist Marxist. Statist marxist aka Lenists would probably embrace the god almighty power of the nuke )

Suppose we did seize a nuke and we demanded the capitalist class to move their factories back to the US for us to take control of, do you think they'll comply? I don't know... worth a shot I guess

I dreamt something very nasty - something very distasteful, bloody, something to do with killing and deaths... i did get enough sleep even w/i the regular 10-6 schedule, and yet... i didn't feel refreshed at all... maybe it was the pizza i ate last night

Edited by Feishy Pit Boar, 17 September 2020 - 02:56 PM.

[pokari]

I mean sure you can take a country hostage with nukes (North Korea did it even with regular artillery, before they had nukes), but that's not a governance solution. I think you then effectively become something like an autocratic Leninist even if you didn't want to be.

But, like, going back to the idea of stabilizing forces. If "where you work, is what you get your fair share of the output of" were to be applied literally, don't we then start fighting over who gets to work at the places with high profit margins, and over what a "fair share" is, with factional politics and powerplay quickly forming? (We're explicitly not invoking the state to redistribute everything, right?) The idea of some unified "working class" that sings Kumbaya and gets along post-upheaval seems unlikely. Like, in the ideal case it lowers income inequality but it certainly doesn't eliminate it. And the more production is automated, the more income inequality between high-profit-margin production and low-profit-margin production worksites would rise (...to say nothing of the people who just can't get jobs). A certain amount of redistribution is becoming more necessary as we advance, compared to Marx's day (and he was for full-blown redistribution already, though, again, I think that's going too far to be practicable).

...which isn't to say we can't move way more in the direction of worker-owned production. Like, requiring publicly traded companies to have worker-elected representatives on the board of directors wouldn't be a revolution, but would certainly help some with some of the "our corporate overlords" stuff. Or something more drastic, but still far shy of revolution or trying to rewrite how society works from scratch.

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I'm sorry you're still having unpleasant dreams. :/ Bad Epiales, no biscuit! D<

*hugs*

If not-sufficient rested-ness from theoretically-sufficient-sleep persists too long (however long too long is... likely less than the year or so it took me before trying), do remember that there are sleep doctors who can at least take a decent shot at seeing if anything in particular is going wrong. (Which isn't to say they can always fix things, mind)

Take care, okay?

Edited by pokari, 18 September 2020 - 09:24 AM.

[PItiful Boar]

50 high profit margins - this happens when society as a whole prioritizes some production over others. For examples, weapons cost and sell more than say, shoes. But that's because weapon technology are highly monopolized and there's a clear difference between a drone produced by US and Israel, vs a drone produced by everyone else. So as I said, once you introduced a nuke, the equation breaks down, because weapon manufacturing is not for negotiation. It's under strict military control, hence state control. 

 

Um.. I suppose one could try to get all the military engineers to turn commie... 

[pokari]

"Happens when a society prioritizes production of some things over others"? I mean, bad prioritization accentuates it in some cases (and good prioritisation alleviates it in others?), but it's hardly the main root cause. Even without monopolies, profit margins differ wildly by product, just as a function of how difficult it is to produce and how much people actually want it. And in many cases raising the profit margin on something humdrum (screws, lets say) means making it artificially expensive—which is what we're complaining about in monopolies, no?

And the effect of automation on output-per-human-worker-involved in all that is quite real and has very little to do with capitalist fatcats.

And what of the unemployed? What production are they supposed to seize? Do they get jack-shit? They join former middle-management to becot the new lower class? "The workers" are real people and aren't going to give up their share of the pie to the unwashed masses of their own accord. How do you fix that, without enforced redistribution or control of employment, from a higher authority of some description?

Which is to say, I would go so far to say that (re)distribution is strictly necessary for an even somewhat-egalitarian society of today. (To be clear, the U.S. does redistribution, just with horrible implementation and in insufficient amounts)

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It seems to me, as an aside, that weapons are a very special case, having some of the most closely guarded trade secrets for reasons you would want to keep intact even in a given idealised society: Your neighbors may not share your egalitarian sentiment. (I suppose the true communist ideal might be the global society of harmony where there is no such thing as an enemy country, nor any more rebellions because everyone is happy, but, well... yeah, good luck with that XD Gonna have to start with redesigning humans there, I think. Not out of the question, I suppose, but mass genetic manipulation to make everyone more docile isn't part of the traditional platform of any of these movements, at any rate.)

But, yes, nukes are the ultimate expression of why you need to care who owns the weapons; something where the consequences of making it "for everyone" are immediately obviously problematic. x_x; _{I mean having the orange orangutan have access to the launch codes has been harrowing enough.}

[PItiful Boar]

52 been writing some fan fic and got too absorbed into it

Started out fun then I realize how hard it was

[pokari]

Fanfic writing is still writing. I suppose some people find it easier to have a pre-existing setting and characters, but that's not most of the work.

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Not that I do much authorial writing of any sort. oxo;

[Daktyl]

Y'all thought you had a chance to hit 100 again. Y'all were wrong.

 

Hope you guys are staying safe out there.

[pokari]

Hey Dakki >w<

1

I hope you are safe and sound as well ^^

[PItiful Boar]

2 Still busy writing that piece of shut which is not going very well 

I wanna read some dh Lawrence pr0n

For reference 

[pokari]

3

Hmm... I take it your literary attempts are leaning a bit towards the sultry. .-.