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[Macha]

Rana in Spanish means frog. I just couldn't accept what I was reading the first time I saw it :S Maybe if Rain kisses her, he'll become a charming prince?

In Italian that name bears the same meaning. I can't help but laugh every time I see that poor girl, she got a sooo ugly name XD

I've caught a glimpse of ch. 60 from Naver, I too can't wait for the translation. Gonna be interesting, and I can't have enough Kasak fanservice!

[Mizura]

... wow, and until now, I thought she had quite a nice name, if you discount the fact that it's basically Ran + an extra "a". D:
Poor Rana.

[pegaso]

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No, that's not accurate. As I said, in the story, Visnu has already been more or less confirmed as presiding over Restoration and Time. We'll have to wait to see the author confirm what the other 3 also preside over.

Eh, the reason the humans got the best world is probably:
1. That's the only world they've probably ever been able to "go" to (they can't move across dimensions like the Sura and Gods can)
2. They're weak, man, they probably can't even survive in the two other worlds. :S

I can't wait for the next chapter. *___*

from wikipedia as well, kali is suppose to be the consort of shiva if i'm not wrong. and when she's often depicted as trampling/standing over shiva in the paintings or something haha.

although currygom does not strictly follow the hindu religion, but i think there is some truth we might be able to infer.

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The hindu religion has many texts so it's reaaaaaally confusing but from wiki it looks like:

the three supreme gods are Shiva, Brahma and Visnu who forms the trimurti. Kali is the consort of Shiva.
the devas and devis (female version) that are repeated in both 'Kubera' and Rig Veda are Agni, Brahma, Indra, Shiva, Surya, Varuna, Vayu, Vishnu, Yama. Maruts (sons of Rudra who was later named Shiva) and Ashvins (twin horsemen) are also mentioned. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigvedic_deities)

As for Kubera, he's suppose to be the lord of wealth and was described to be the king of evil spirits. However, he had the status of being a deva in some other texts (so confusing!).

So there are the Devas (which can be used interchangeably with Sura o_o) and the Asuras. Although the Asuras are generally depicted as the evil one, but the earlier text showed that they competed with each other. Asuras preside over moral and social phenomenon while Devas preside over natural phenomenon. Some Devas are Asuras as well such as Varuna.

As far as I know, of the list of Asuras, only 2 appeared in 'Kubera' namely, Varuna and Vritra. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asuras)

Other characters:
Ananta means endless (is also another name of Vishnu). And there is Ananta Shesha which is the King of Nagas (Snakes) that sings praises of Vishnu
Garuda is an eagle and sworn enemy of Nagas. He is also Vishnu's mount
Gandharva is a male nature spirit with superb musician skills and act as a messenger between the Gods and humans
Kinnara (literally meaning 'what human?' in sanskrit) is 1/2 human and 1/2 horse. In other texts, it was referred as 1/2 man 1/2 woman
Vritra is a serpent/dragon and is the enemy of Indra
Yaksha is a nature fairy with dual personalities (sometimes they are portrayed as inoffensive nature fairy, sometimes they devour travelers o_o). Kubera is the god-king of Yaksha btw.

Gandharva, Kinnara and Yaksha are a type of mythical being and not the name of an entity.

Rakshasa are unrighteous spirits, also called man-eaters. They are mythical humanoid beings but are also shapeshifters.

Shakuntala is born of the sage Vishwamitra and Menaka. Menaka is an apsara, and usually apsaras are wives of gandharva (although menaka mated with a sage)

Makara is a 1/2 terrestrial animal (eg. Crocodile, elephant, deer) and 1/2 aquatic animal. Usually the mount of Varuna.

Vasuki is one of the 8 great Naga Kings (in Chinese and Japanese mythologies) along with Sagara, Takshaka and Utpala

Asha means truth, righteousness, order and genius (but it's from the zoroastrian theology. it's hindu equivalent is Rta)

Another interesting thing i found was the relationship between bhavati and hoti: So there's 2 languages called Sanskrit and Pali which are closely related. In Sanskrit, aya and ava are often reduced to Pali e and o, so bhavati is reduced to hoti and they essentially have the same meaning of become manifested/become possible

Edited by pegaso, 14 April 2012 - 07:22 AM.

[battradio]

So there are magic cars ,and we find out more about Ran an Rana , well frogs and water go together , mabe they will have lots of tadpoles together . It actualy must be a real name in India .
http://www.ranadaggubati.com/

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Now we know why Yuta wants the earings so bad so Ran will travel with them .

Edited by battradio, 14 April 2012 - 08:12 AM.

[Mizura]

@Pegaso: Nice info! I had already looked up some of that in wikipedia too. The author was right when she said that she only borrowed some elements and not to look too deeply into it.

And speaking of which..... new chaaaaapter! One of the most informative chapters in Part I, actually. So much stuff going on. Did you realize:

1. Ran's grandmother is the Sura who appeared in one of the flashbacks concerning the Gandharva a while back?

Heh, I was wondering why Ran's grandfather didn't outright freak out when she showed up (I sure the hell would O.o;; ), so it's because he was blind! What a strange romance! But anyway, in the flashback, Ran's grandmother told Gandharva that he couldn't rely on her help forever. Now, notice that Ran's mother had a furry tail. This means that she's probably from the Yaksha clan, which also explains Ran's strength. Remember also that Shuri has supposedly died.

Conclusion: Ran's grandmother is likely the current King of the Yaksha clan. The Gandharva, Yaksha and Garuda clans were allied clans. After being sent to the Sura world, the Gandharva clan couldn't rely on the Garuda, who had their own problems because their King was in a coma, so they couldn't replace him with proper leadership. So, the Gandharva clan likely relied on help from the allied Yaksha clan. But with Shuri gone, the next King couldn't help the Gandharva forever.

By the way, one thing I never understood... in the arc where Leez and Asha came across Yuta, the hunters said they had their hands on the bones of the Yaksha King. But I never quite understood which King's bones it was exactly. Were they from Yaksha himself, who died a while back (since Shuri became King somewhere along the way)? Shuri seems to have died during N0, but she was supposed to be on Isholy, taking care of Yuta, so why would her bones be on Willarv? Or did someone drag her corpse there for some purpose afterwards ( <- a la mystery novel, lol)

2. N0 Cataclysm. Whoa! When I was trying to figure out the raws, I couldn't figure out Which planet was blown up. It turned out that several of them were. D: But... what was going on? I had thought that the Sura Nastika were the ones responsible, but thinking more closely... what could have compelled them to do so? Aren't lower-level Sura living on those planets too? What was the reason for the sudden war?

Also, Visnu ended the Cataclysm. But why didn't he end it sooner? Also, this was a case of emotional resonation. But, why were the Sura Kings so angry? I've read someone suggesting that they were angry because the rules suddenly changed and Nastika could no longer take Sura form, but from the image, I suddenly realized that it probably wasn't the case yet: that's clearly a Vritra there, and we know there are only Vritra Nastika and Halfs, so that's likely a Nastika. So, the rule against them taking Sura form in the human realm may be right after the Cataclysm. But there's also the rule change During N0 that prevented humans from summoning Gods freely. What's the chronology? What caused all this?

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Another mystery is: Asha's planet was destroyed After N0, specifically in N5. So, who was responsible?

This chapter I think is quite interesting because it shows that whatever it is that's going on and that Leez is caught up in, it's Definitely much bigger than "Some random Suras blew up her village, Leez is going to get revenge." There's something big going on, something big enough to get the rules changed and force the humans, Suras and Gods into different realms, causing Visnu and Shiva to disappear. But how does Leez, a mere human, fit into all this? All that stands out about her is that she has the name of -one- God. One God couldn't possibly be responsible for all this mess.

3. The Halfs, ack. And yes, this is why they have lost all their rights. In some ways, I can understand the reasoning of humans. After the incident, humans must have come to see Halfs as ticking time bombs, ready to turn against humans when humans need them the most. But I can't help but wonder who suffered the most from the incident:
- The humans, who saw their friends and loved ones turn on them when they needed them the most? It's hard to begin to understand how much Ran must have been traumatized by the incident.
- Or the Halfs, who one day came to their senses, realizing that They were the ones who killed those they loved the most, and who have been persecuted ever since?

Asha was right when she told off Leez saying that Leez was not the only one who lost everything. Humans and Halfs lost a lot during the N0 Cataclysm. The Sura were sent to a hostile realm, whereas Upani children who couldn't survive in that realm were left behind, at the mercy of likely vengeful human hunters.

And, oh yeah, magic car. HAHAH!!! That part was funny. But battradio, Agwen was talking about Kasak. xD He flies really fast.

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Rather, he can cut through space to get to another place faster.

Oh by the way, Asha turning down the offer for a fast free ride seems just a tad bit suspicious. -_o

Someone in chat is asking why The Company is releasing so many chapters of Kubera rather than Green Boy. I can't believe someone thinks Kubera is worse than that sissy romance story. D:

Edited by Mizura, 14 April 2012 - 08:23 AM.

[Elenluin]

Great chapter, I finally understood what N0 is.
Maybe Asha declined Agwen's offer because Leez's bracelet? Of course Asha might be hiding something bigger than that too. I was confused by the fastest car as well, till I got it; Dragon.

[Macha]

Whoaaaa calm down Mizura, too much infos right there!

1. I didn't notice the thing about Ran's grandmother. Interesting theory! But too much thinking about the Yaksha King bone... It's quite large, so I think the King has died in Sura form instead of Human form. So, probably during the N0 Cataclysm, or before, when superior Suras were allowed to take their full surafied form in the human realm.

2. N0 Cataclysm: the rules changed because of the Cataclysm, it wasn't the change to cause the Cataclysm. Or so I believe. I thought that Visnu changed the rules to not allow another Cataclysm to happen; after all, during the Cataclysm entire planets were blown away...
What's currently stopping the culprit to continue blowing up planets one after another?
Was the Cataclysm a sign of an impeding end of the universe?

3. I'm sympathizing with the Halfs, really. Being the discriminated minority isn't all rainbows and flowers, after all.
But I sympathize with Agwen and other humans too, now I understand the reason she treats her father the way she does. In her shoes, I wouldn't have wanted to have something to do with him ever again. It's clear she doesn't forgive him for what he has done. I'm curious about Kasak's point of view on the matter: does he feel guilty? Does he care he hurt his own family? Or does his Vritra Half nature stop him from feeling such emotions?
Everything depends on the earrings, I think o.o He wouldn't act as he does if he wasn't feeling guilty, being bossed around by his own daughter and being treated almost like a stranger, or a thing (the car joke). I'm starting to feel extremely sad for him, as well... There's practically no chance he would gain back Agwen's trust.

4. Asha turning down the offer seems perfectly clear to me. She has to accompany Ran during his quest, so he can graduate, but her real goal is to have him pay for calling her a pervert and mistaking her for a man... other than have another pair of hands to help with the travelling towards Kalibloom. And anyway, since they're in month of Yama, I don't see any reason to travel in a day to Kalibloom, it would be a month of nothing to do and the risk of Kalibloom being attacked by Suras.
Remember that Asha practically forces Leez not to stay in the same place for too long? (Atera's been an exception; after all, Asha needed to regain strenght after being the "replacement priestess" for Atera's barrier, after Brilith fainted and Agni lost control of his powers)
And anyway, if she wanted to travel fast, she would have made Leez faint or sleep and ask Yuta to transport them to Kalibloom in a matter of hours XD

[Mizura]

Haha, sorry, since I had already tried to figure out what the chapters say before, I've wanted to discuss much of this already a long time ago. xD

1. Superior Sura were no longer allowed into the human realm after N0 anyway, so yeah, it's unlikely that the bones were from after N0. Also, since Nastika are immortal, yes, said King most likely died fighting, and since they're stronger in Sura form, it's normal for them to die in Sura form.

That said, Ran's grandparents must have had a weird relationship. "My father told me that my mother is a Nastika." Shouldn't it be obvious to a kid what her mother is? Did her mother dump her with her father as soon as she was born or something? O.o;; Still, another comment I found interesting is "Those who live long love long." It reminds me of what Sagara said to Manasvin about them "only having been together for 100 years."

2. Basically, the chronology of the N0 Cataclysm is very unclear. Remember that during N0, the Priest of Rindhallow summoned Chandra, but Chandra didn't realize then "that the rules changed", thus using up the priest's life. This means the rules of summoning at least were changed During the N0 Cataclysm, not after, and nobody got an update notice. So, which rules were changed before, which were changed during, and which were changed after? And, what was the cause of the Cataclysm?

3. Actually, about Agwen...

Spoiler

Right after the Cataclysm, she actually understood that her father was not responsible for all that. The real reason she became distant is his attitude right after... I remind you that he can barely feel any emotions without the earrings.

4. ... well, that's one explanation, the trip being more about revenge. Asha seems able to prioritize though. D: Given the events that happened later, I wonder if she knew that she had to go through that passage. You know, those passages Are dangerous.

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And I think they intend to stay much longer in Kalibloom.

[Macha]

That said, Ran's grandparents must have had a weird relationship. "My father told me that my mother is a Nastika." Shouldn't it be obvious to a kid what her mother is? Did her mother dump her with her father as soon as she was born or something? O.o;; Still, another comment I found interesting is "Those who live long love long." It reminds me of what Sagara said to Manasvin about them "only having been together for 100 years."

Either she and her father were abandoned (after all, I don't think that even Nastika take the death of their loved ones very well), or she did ignore how a Nastika looked like or was supposed to look like. But since it happened waaaay before N0, this theory shakes a lot... So I stick with the "abandon" one.

2. Basically, the chronology of the N0 Cataclysm is very unclear. Remember that during N0, the Priest of Rindhallow summoned Chandra, but Chandra didn't realize then "that the rules changed", thus using up the priest's life. This means the rules of summoning at least were changed During the N0 Cataclysm, not after, and nobody got an update notice. So, which rules were changed before, which were changed during, and which were changed after? And, what was the cause of the Cataclysm?

Was it Chandra? O.o I thought it was Kali, seemed more fitting since she's the Goddess of Chaos and basically... chaos=ignore rules. XD
But oh, it does make sense. Unlike online games, Gods don't receive the patch notes when something changes X°D

3. Actually, about Agwen...

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Right after the Cataclysm, she actually understood that her father was not responsible for all that. The real reason she became distant is his attitude right after... I remind you that he can barely feel any emotions without the earrings.

Fuuuuuu- so it's really what I thought. Mr. Kasak, you still have a fangirl, but it's a sad fangirl. >(

4. ... well, that's one explanation, the trip being more about revenge. Asha seems able to prioritize though. D: Given the events that happened later, I wonder if she knew that she had to go through that passage. You know, those passages Are dangerous.

In reality, I thought of the trip as a way to avoid unnecessary attention, avoid main traveling routes and towns, and take revenge on Ran's stupidity. xD
After all, she got as companions a good-for-nothing gluttonous girl with impossible strength and impossible naivety, which said strength is currently conveniently sealed by a bracelet; a Sura with a double nature and some dangerous eating habits; a Quarter with zero calculating talent who's more likely to cause disasters if given the opportunity to cast a Bhavati Varuna.



OMG I just discovered I always misspelled "strength" as "strenght" o,o Like I always have to watch out when I'm writing Brilith's name, since I have the habit to misspell it as "Brilight" for some reason...

[pegaso]

Was it Chandra? O.o I thought it was Kali, seemed more fitting since she's the Goddess of Chaos and basically... chaos=ignore rules. XD
But oh, it does make sense. Unlike online games, Gods don't receive the patch notes when something changes X°D

yeah it was chandra http://vatoto.com/read/_/67055/kubera_ch37_by_the-company

btw i don't think you can use Kali's power anyway...

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i think one of the rule changes might be that the human and sura' relationship was cut off. from what i understand, they used to be able to summon suras/use fiendish magic but at some point (either before, during or just after) N0 that it stopped. it was also at this point that human and god's relationship weaken as well.

oops, i realise that human cut off their relationship with sura before D873

Edited by pegaso, 14 April 2012 - 12:34 PM.

[Mizura]

Hmm... about taking the long way: actually, that's a pretty logical way to look at it. I guess I just thought otherwise because of future events. After all, well...

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In the waterways, Yuta left them for a while, and Ran asked Asha about it. Asha replied along the lines of "He may not be coming back. Now is the time for him to make a decision." As though she knew that Yuta had to go through there. But it also contradicts the fact that Asha didn't know who Yuta was at first, and how she Did try to avoid whatever was in the waterways at first. It is also possible that she was getting messages without us knowing.

lol at the patch comparison. xD But anyway, about Kasak... I don't care, I'm still his fangirl. *__* Kasaaaaak!

Ah, by the way, the relation between humans and Suras were cut off well before N0. There are no given dates, but some believe that it may have occurred in D0 (no real clues, just the fact that it seemed like a good reason to start a new calendar system).

Spoiler

In the novel, which occurred over 100 years before the current events, the relationship between humans and Suras were already cut off. In fact, that's why Visnu asked Brahma to create the city defense system for humans, because the humans feared retaliation by the Suras. Before that, the humans were mostly neutral...

By the way... Nastika are supposed to be much stronger than the Gods (notice how Gandharva said that some, including Agni, were just fun to "play with", and the others weren't worth bothering about). Now Suras die for good if killed, which means that prior to that, the Gods failed to kill Gandharva and most other Sura kings. But, in N0, Shuri died and Garuda was put into a coma. Somehow it obviously wasn't a "normal" war between Gods and Sura.

(mega super spoilers below)

Spoiler

After this chapter, I don't think there will be many major revelations about the past until Chapter 74 and Chapter 84, instead the next arc will have more action. Chapter 84 is my next "milestone" for revelations, and the arc after that is Full of content. In Chapter 84 though, Agni was bragging to Kubera about defeating a whole bunch of Suras, but Kubera said that he didn't merit his praise. Then Kubera said: "I've committed a terrible mistake. I was so caught up in merit that I overlooked the importance of the Power of the Name. And soon, I will be gone from the world of the Gods." At this moment, we see an image of a wounded Ananta.

It's hard for me to interpret this part without the exact translation, but in the comment section to that chapter, Koreans have theorized that somehow, Kubera may have used the Name as bait, and succeeded in killing the much stronger Ananta this way. As a result, however, he lost the Name.

Chapter 74 however revealed that the Garuda siblings were separated Because of the Power of the Name. Specifically, they had to hide it (Whose name? Hide it from whom? How did they get it?). One thing that drives me crazy is: when exactly did Ananta die? The Garuda siblings were separated at around D873 (at latest). Was Ananta killed before or after that?

If Ananta died not long before N0, it's possible that N0 itself has to do with the Power of the Name. Whatever was used to kill Ananta may have been used to defeat other powerful Nastika like Garuda and Shuri, an "unfair" situation making the Sura angry enough to trigger emotional resonation with the Halfs.

And finally..... how do Kali and Yuta fit into all this? The Gods of Nature can't change the rules that easily. The ones with that authority are the Primeval Gods. Visnu and Shiva had to disappear in order to stop the Cataclysm. Brahma is absolutely neutral. That leaves Kali. But, Yuta is the son of Kali. How do both of them fit into all this?

Edited by Mizura, 14 April 2012 - 12:42 PM.

[Macha]

Many, many things to reply to.

lol at the patch comparison. xD But anyway, about Kasak... I don't care, I'm still his fangirl. *__* Kasaaaaak!

Oh yes <3

By the way... Nastika are supposed to be much stronger than the Gods (notice how Gandharva said that some, including Agni, were just fun to "play with", and the others weren't worth bothering about). Now Suras die for good if killed, which means that prior to that, the Gods failed to kill Gandharva and most other Sura kings. But, in N0, Shuri died and Garuda was put into a coma. Somehow it obviously wasn't a "normal" war between Gods and Sura.

(mega super spoilers below)

Spoiler

After this chapter, I don't think there will be many major revelations about the past until Chapter 74 and Chapter 84, instead the next arc will have more action. Chapter 84 is my next "milestone" for revelations, and the arc after that is Full of content. In Chapter 84 though, Agni was bragging to Kubera about defeating a whole bunch of Suras, but Kubera said that he didn't merit his praise. Then Kubera said: "I've committed a terrible mistake. I was so caught up in merit that I overlooked the importance of the Power of the Name. And soon, I will be gone from the world of the Gods." At this moment, we see an image of a wounded Ananta.

It's hard for me to interpret this part without the exact translation, but in the comment section to that chapter, Koreans have theorized that somehow, Kubera may have used the Name as bait, and succeeded in killing the much stronger Ananta this way. As a result, however, he lost the Name.

Chapter 74 however revealed that the Garuda siblings were separated Because of the Power of the Name. Specifically, they had to hide it (Whose name? Hide it from whom? How did they get it?). One thing that drives me crazy is: when exactly did Ananta die? The Garuda siblings were separated at around D873 (at latest). Was Ananta killed before or after that?

If Ananta died not long before N0, it's possible that N0 itself has to do with the Power of the Name. Whatever was used to kill Ananta may have been used to defeat other powerful Nastika like Garuda and Shuri, an "unfair" situation making the Sura angry enough to trigger emotional resonation with the Halfs.

And finally..... how do Kali and Yuta fit into all this? The Gods of Nature can't change the rules that easily. The ones with that authority are the Primeval Gods. Visnu and Shiva had to disappear in order to stop the Cataclysm. Brahma is absolutely neutral. That leaves Kali. But, Yuta is the son of Kali. How do both of them fit into all this?

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I think that the Name that can't be revealed is Yuta's. Remember how he refused to give it to Asha? That would explain why the Garuda siblings had to be separated from each other. Yuta's name was too dangerous. After all, he's a Sura-God halfblood. Someone born from supposedly, totally incompatible races.
And Kali is a Primeval Goddess, isn't she? So, in theory, she can change the rules.
Kubera's sentence make me think that he would die, and die for good. Without a name, he wouldn't be the God of Earth, and he would need to pass that duty to someone with the Name. Specifically, Leez. It would fit with Battradio's theory, that Leez would become the last Goddess born into existence. And that would explain the hunt Suras and Kubera started against her, it can be a plot from Kubera to test her real value to bring on the Power of the Name.

[noctemleya]

About N0...

I don't think it really had much to do with the Power of the Name, since the Garuda siblings were divided long before it, if I'm correct. Of course, something about the Power might have had a major role in it, but it's really hard to tell, since it looks like the problem was known years back.
Another thing, it was mentioned that planets were destroyed, but I don't really see anything strange there. I mean, the author lets us know quite clearly that the power the gods and suras have is quite overwhelming, so much that after the cataclysm it became very hard for them to reach the human world (nastika are even banned from transforming there to their full-power form). This might mean that it was their own power that, while battling, destroyed all those planets. If they were all so enraged they reached a whole new level of resonation they probably didn't give a damn to what was happening around them, thus bringing destruction everywhere. Again, the main question remains what exactly triggered this war of epic proportions.

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Asha's planed was destroyed in N5, that can simply mean that the war lasted even then. Or maybe the planet itself suffered lethal damage before, and it was just a matter of time till it blew up. If the war lasted so long it's a miracle the humans survived, since all halfs went berserk and it looks like the human race had quite a lot of losses. A long duration could also bring forth another huge question: what the hell were the primeval gods doing (most of all Visnu) during al that time?

Can't wait for the next chapter about lore.

Edited by noctemleya, 15 April 2012 - 01:11 AM.

[Mizura]

^ You might want to put that last part under spoiler tags. Though... I'm one to talk. >.>;; Anyway, you're right, if the Nastika were angry enough they could have destroyed all those planets with their own might, regardless of whether there were inferior Sura also living on them.

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However, for N5, that is unlikely. Visnu himself separated the races into different realms in N0, so it couldn't be the result of the same war. At the same time, in Asha's flashback, we see her holding a severed head. This means some sort of attack happened. Now let's look at some chronology again:

- N0: the Cataclysm happened, which Visnu and Shiva ended at the expense of having to disappear themselves. However, Agni said that God Kubera teared the walls between dimensions and jumped into the human world with his own strength. We've seen him opening doors between the human and Sura realm since, so it seems he's really strong enough to move between dimensions despite the rules in place.
- After N0, the Gandharva found themselves without an ocean. Since Visnu had told Gandharva that he would ask a God to make them one, they waited for that to happen. In the meantime, Manasvin and Sagara came to visit Gandharva with a plan that Gandharva qualified as "crazy." The two left, but warned that Varuna would never create an ocean for them.
- Manasvin was right. The Gandharva clan eventually found itself under attack. They decided to take refuge with the Garuda, but only the strong could go. Shakuntala decided to stay behind.
- Eventually Gandharva and Maruna found themselves in the human world, doing God Kubera's bidding. Was that perhaps also part of the plan brought up by Sagara and Manasvin? Was it actually God Kubera's plan from the start?

Somewhere along the way, in N5, Planet Carte was destroyed.

From there, we could guess that perhaps, Planet Carte was destroyed by Gandharva and Maruna as part of God Kubera's plans, right after they re-entered the human world. If Asha were aware of this, this would explain why she's directing Leez' revenge against Maruna. Were Maruna and the weakened Gandharva really strong enough to destroy the whole planet Carte though?

An alternate possibility was that it was destroyed by God Kubera himself. That would explain why Asha hates the Gods, but doesn't have a particular issue against Suras.

On Yuta's name: you know, I've always just assumed that he didn't want to reveal it because he didn't want to reveal himself as the son of Garuda and Kali (he might be well known), or just to avoid bad people that are after him. The Garuda siblings were separated for the sake of their protection, so they didn't want news of their whereabouts spreading. In particular, Yuta also seemed to be hiding from Taraka, who might go on a rampage if she obtained news about Yuta. Prior to that, it seemed that Visnu had hidden Yuta from Taraka.

Edited by Mizura, 15 April 2012 - 12:15 AM.

[noctemleya]

Yeah, after i've seen it in a clear timeline like this, planet Carte's destruction might really have something to do with "the plan".

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<p>That might also explain why Rao Leez was there: he might've known it had something to do indirectly with his daughter's name, so he might have tried to stop them.</p><p>Btw, i think i missed the part about Asha hating the gods, where was it mentioned (if it was mentioned yet)?</p><p></p>

Thanks for letting me know about the spoilers tag, i am never sure where to exactly use it or not. So feel free to remind me.

[Macha]

Yeah, after i've seen it in a clear timeline like this, planet Carte's destruction might really have something to do with "the plan".

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<p>That might also explain why Rao Leez was there: he might've known it had something to do indirectly with his daughter's name, so he might have tried to stop them.</p><p>Btw, i think i missed the part about Asha hating the gods, where was it mentioned (if it was mentioned yet)?</p><p></p>

Thanks for letting me know about the spoilers tag, i am never sure where to exactly use it or not. So feel free to remind me.

It isn't directly stated (unless you take the "God is unfair" comment as a direct statement), but Asha does hate the Gods. It's crystal clear by some of her comments and expressions when words like "fate" or "gods" are introduced during a talk. See when she's negotiating with Yuta, when he tries to join their little group to get to Kalibloom.

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I think Asha is merely manipulating Leez. I don't know how much of her fate she knows (probably nothing, but she can imagine the hell a life completely devoted to revenge would be. After all, she's experiencing it herself, even though we think she lives in luxury - with the expensive clothes and all.
Money can't take her family and home back), but directing her revenge against Maruna would be a collateral effect to strike against Kubera. If she really did guess Kubera's real goal, or at least who was behind Carte's annihilation, she would use every mean at her disposal to hinder the mastermind, even if it's a God.

Oh, and I cut some nice pic of Kasak in his Half form for fangirlism. Thanks, Currygom, for creating a dragon half so awesome! (and his daughter ofc)
Not really spoilerish, but for the sake of not deforming this forum I'll put them under spoiler tag.

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Edited by Macha, 15 April 2012 - 01:57 AM.

[battradio]

I had wonderd why ? Kasak was so hungry , his daughter has been using him as her own privite lear jet

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<P>Poor Ran having your mother atack you .
One of my coworkers when he was 17 was atacked by his mother , she came into his
room and shot hin 4 times with a 22 rifle and put him in the hospital for three
months&nbsp;&nbsp;, i had met him when he was in the hospital , i had been
working there when i was in high school , and met again 5 years later .</P>
<P></P>

Edited by battradio, 15 April 2012 - 02:37 AM.

[Mizura]

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Um, the part that's a spoiler is the destruction of Carte. Normally that's only revealed once Leez and co. are in the waterways. xD

Asha did say that she dislikes the Gods, when she was talking with Brilith. Brilith asked her why she didn't visit the Temple of Agni, and Asha answered that she dislikes the gods so she won't visit their temples. Brilith then replied "But they're the source of your powers."

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Asha Is manipulating Leez. She knows a lot more than she's letting on:
- She wasn't surprised when Leez showed up with the bracelet.
- She didn't seem surprised when she was told that there were 0 deaths registered for Leez' village.
- She was surprised when Yuta showed up, but chalked it up to her getting assistance.
- She knows about the Power of the Name.
- She knows Rao Leez too.

But, she does seem to feel guilty about what she's doing to Leez.
- She told Leez that god isn't fair.
- When she told Leez that Leez was the only survivor, she hesitated before continuing. I don't think it was to pretend that she was sad for Leez' sake. I think she was genuinely having trouble telling that lie to Leez.
- In the waterways, Yuta asked Asha why she didn't teach Leez magic. Asha answered that she didn't want Leez going down the same path as her. At that moment Leez, whom Ran was trying to teach magic, said "Hoti Kubera" out loud. That caused Asha to run towards her while thinking about Rao Leez telling her something like: "You're living for the dead. You have to live for the living. In the end, my dearest wish is for Kubera (his daughter) to be happy." And Asha is thinking to herself: "I'm sorry. I'm sorry." She calmed down when it turned out that Leez had failed to cast the spell.

So, Asha is set on revenge. But she's also somehow hoping that something will fail and Leez would not have to go down that path. Asha is a tragic character too. She probably didn't have a truly happy day in her life since she lost everything when she was 10.

Battradio, what a terrible thing to happen to your co-worker.

But yeah, poor Kasak needs to refuel. xD It's a good thing food doesn't seem to expensive in this world...

Edited by Mizura, 15 April 2012 - 03:26 AM.

[Macha]

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Um, the part that's a spoiler is the destruction of Carte. Normally that's only revealed once Leez and co. are in the waterways. xD

Asha did say that she dislikes the Gods, when she was talking with Brilith. Brilith asked her why she didn't visit the Temple of Agni, and Asha answered that she dislikes the gods so she won't visit their temples. Brilith then replied "But they're the source of your powers."

Right... I tend to forget little things like this >.>

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Asha Is manipulating Leez. She knows a lot more than she's letting on:
- She wasn't surprised when Leez showed up with the bracelet.
- She didn't seem surprised when she was told that there were 0 deaths registered for Leez' village.
- She was surprised when Yuta showed up, but chalked it up to her getting assistance.
- She knows about the Power of the Name.
- She knows Rao Leez too.

But, she does seem to feel guilty about what she's doing to Leez.
- She told Leez that god isn't fair.
- When she told Leez that Leez was the only survivor, she hesitated before continuing. I don't think it was to pretend that she was sad for Leez' sake. I think she was genuinely having trouble telling that lie to Leez.
- In the waterways, Yuta asked Asha why she didn't teach Leez magic. Asha answered that she didn't want Leez going down the same path as her. At that moment Leez, whom Ran was trying to teach magic, said "Hoti Kubera" out loud. That caused Asha to run towards her while thinking about Rao Leez telling her something like: "You're living for the dead. You have to live for the living. In the end, my dearest wish is for Kubera (his daughter) to be happy." And Asha is thinking to herself: "I'm sorry. I'm sorry." She calmed down when it turned out that Leez had failed to cast the spell.

So, Asha is set on revenge. But she's also somehow hoping that something will fail and Leez would not have to go down that path. Asha is a tragic character too. She probably didn't have a truly happy day in her life since she lost everything when she was 10.

Battradio, what a terrible thing to happen to your co-worker.

But yeah, poor Kasak needs to refuel. xD It's a good thing food doesn't seem to expensive in this world...

What I meant, is that Asha is doing what she's doing under the pretense of protecting Leez. Probably at the beginning it was just a pretense, but the more time they spend together, the more difficult is to lie and continue to manipulate Leez while keeping her in the dark.

Lol @ meat as fuel for "the fastest car on this star"...

Edited by Macha, 15 April 2012 - 11:15 AM.

[Mizura]

Ah, that's true. She's "protecting" Leez for now, but it's to keep her alive for her own purposes. Poor Leez, she's like a lost puppy, following anyone who feeds her. :'(
... well, at least she's making sure that Asha's is feeding her lots. :S

You know, given the current status in the novel, I kind of suspect the break will last at least 2 months longer, just saying... it's a good thing we're getting these fast updates instead. xP The novel is getting quite interesting though, at first it was slow and a bit bland.

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One of you was curious about Shess right? It turns out that he's the son of Airavata, who seems to be in charge of the Kinnara clan.

Now, that probably makes it sound like the first king of the Kinnara clan has died. But, although it hasn't been proven explicitly yet, it seems that Kinnara is spending her time in female form with Vritra (who appears to be a complete airhead). :S So she probably dumped her King responsibilities on Airavata instead. Weird dynamics going on. xD

... Yama and Indra are apparently paperwork experts. <3 <3 <3

Edited by Mizura, 15 April 2012 - 12:48 PM.