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#41
Posted 02 December 2011 - 05:22 PM
#42
Posted 02 December 2011 - 08:05 PM
#43
Posted 02 December 2011 - 08:14 PM
I vehemently disagree. The love a person feels cannot be mathmatically limited in this way. Love is a state of mind a person falls into in relation to another person and the strength of the emotion can indeed vary, but the number of people triggering the response do not neccessarily influence the strength of it. A person doesn't have a number of "units of love" somehow saved in them and distribute it between people.
Now a polyamorous relationship does require you to split your time between your lovers, that's true. But it doesn't require you to split your emotion, rather each person has their own love you feel for them.
Let's not play with words here, I never said that it's something calculated mathematically. I'm not saying you can't feel love for both people, I'm saying that you can't give love whole heartidly to two people because a relationship is more than just feelings, it's about being committed to a person. Someone who feels love towards two people will often feel conflicted to decide on who they like better or "love" more, and these feelings are what I think will prevent Harisugawa for giving 100% of his love to more than one person. And there's always that question lingering in one's mind on how to choose in the future.
Edited by Saphsin, 03 December 2011 - 01:26 AM.
"Once you label me you negate me." - Soren Kierkegaard
#44
Posted 02 December 2011 - 08:31 PM
#45
Posted 03 December 2011 - 12:36 AM
#46
Posted 03 December 2011 - 12:49 AM
That's probably true, especially given Harisugawa's personality. It is certainly true for real-life relationships. However, because this is manga, Mao and Saki are likely to end up sharing Harisugawa equally, with the two of them working together to make the awkward relationship work. What is more popular with readers is always printed in preference to what is realistic.Let's not play with words here, I never said that it's something calculated mathematically. I'm not saying you can't feel love for both people, I'm saying that you can't give love whole heartidly to two people because a relationship is more than just feelings, it's about being committed to a person. Someone who feels love towards two people will feel often feel conflicted to decide on who they like better or "love" more, and these feelings are what I think will prevent Harisugawa for giving 100% of his love to more than one person.
#47
Posted 03 December 2011 - 03:02 AM
I disagree again, although not as vehemently as before. I don't know whether you have experienced this, but I cannot confirm your claim that one would "feel conflicted to decide on who they like better or "love" more", absolutely not. In my experience the problems are mostly a question of time management (which, if you so choose, can be counted as "commitment"). Furthermore, it is not always neccessary to choose. Now that said...Let's not play with words here, I never said that it's something calculated mathematically. I'm not saying you can't feel love for both people, I'm saying that you can't give love whole heartidly to two people because a relationship is more than just feelings, it's about being committed to a person. Someone who feels love towards two people will often feel conflicted to decide on who they like better or "love" more, and these feelings are what I think will prevent Harisugawa for giving 100% of his love to more than one person. And there's always that question lingering in one's mind on how to choose in the future.
...it is still very much possible that this becomes a problem, simply because Harisugawa and the girls are traditional and somewhat clueless teenagers and it is doubtful that they could even conceive of the idea of a polyamorous relationship, much less make it work. This is more difficult to pull off than a simple pair, I'm not denying that. It can work, however, and it does so beautifully for a lot of real life people (and some harem protagonists).That's probably true, especially given Harisugawa's personality. It is certainly true for real-life relationships. However, because this is manga, Mao and Saki are likely to end up sharing Harisugawa equally, with the two of them working together to make the awkward relationship work. What is more popular with readers is always printed in preference to what is realistic.
#48
Posted 03 December 2011 - 03:59 AM
#49
Posted 03 December 2011 - 06:15 AM
cliffhanger on chp 21 >.<
GAH~ Tell me about it D: I really want to know what happens next.
#50
Posted 04 December 2011 - 08:56 AM
"Once you label me you negate me." - Soren Kierkegaard
#51
Posted 11 December 2011 - 03:36 PM
#52
Posted 11 December 2011 - 04:05 PM
Her feelings are gone, that's that, but it would be somehow boring if this were the only change...
On the other hand, the bar for coming out of the window is now set (IMO) to an impassable height for Harisugawa. (NB: tower of golf-balls )
But maybe, just maybe, she lost her feeling for him because this confession was based on somehow half-assed feelings.
sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours much more.
-- Woody Allen
#53
Posted 11 December 2011 - 05:43 PM
On the other hand, the bar for coming out of the window is now set (IMO) to an impassable height for Harisugawa. (NB: tower of golf-balls )
Ooooh! I think the whole moral/point/message of the manga is here! Or rather, brought back to the foreground!
#54
Posted 11 December 2011 - 06:32 PM
"Once you label me you negate me." - Soren Kierkegaard
#55
Posted 11 December 2011 - 07:54 PM
[...] (if we assume the whole witch story is true) [...]
You put your finger on the spot - or at least one of them. If we can assume the story to be true, but it might just as well be an exaggeration of sorts.
But - guessing again - we could say that this run was a failure because the love, at least on Harisugawa's side, was not "wholesome".
sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours much more.
-- Woody Allen
#56
Posted 11 December 2011 - 10:55 PM
I still find it annoying. It's monkeywrenching the assumptions again. At this rate it's just going to keep going from one arbitrary twist to another, and when it's time to wrap it all up the mangaka will just make up one last schtick and it's solved. I'd rather it be character driven.
#57
Posted 11 December 2011 - 11:13 PM
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#58
Posted 12 December 2011 - 04:21 AM
But everything in that occurs in a person's lifetime is deterministic and is affected by the results of your interactions with all the people you met but yet the author simply churns out the memories of one person as if it's such a simple thing. If Satomi and Saki lose their love for Harisugawa, how would it affect their personality and character; would they lose all their memories that dealt with their feelings with Harisugawa or would they be manipulated?
This exactly. See Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind for the definitive example of this. Our memories make us who we are, particularly our memories of those we love.
(And for some reason, anime/manga is fascinated with the idea of people disappearing from existence and all memory of them vanishing as well. That kills me. What a terribly sad fate.
Edited by tuatara, 12 December 2011 - 10:42 AM.
#59
Posted 12 December 2011 - 04:48 AM
Like in the manga Chibi Vampire:
I'm not really sure about your beef with that particular Bleach movie though.
Edited by Saphsin, 12 December 2011 - 08:42 PM.
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#60
Posted 12 December 2011 - 05:16 AM
I like the twist there..
But I was thinking that maybe the 'price' or sacrifice, is the love they shared, accumuled DURING his imprisionment.
Since saki had no love for him BEFORE he getting trapped, we get that reaction.
Now Satomi, loved him (se may be oblivious to it) before he getting locked, so even if he develop more to a culminating acceptance, if he uses that won't go back to 0 but to somewhat still loved.
Tho he should keep in mind is that even if all the "love" that person felt for him is gone, doesn't mean she won't love you again!! GTFO and work your way up again, hell will probablly be easier since he will know alot more about that person.