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[PiGhoul]

Check this out guys: http://tokyoghoul.wikia.com/wiki/Gaiden_Joker

1)Look at the fucking date. It was released a few chapters before the ending.

Why the fuck the author made oneshot right before the original manga ended.

[Kahluah]

The thing is that I don't even know why everyone takes issue with the hair, but ignores everything else I've listed.

 

For example: Eto engages in cqc on all four of her Kakuja form's "legs", yet all of you ignore that point, and focus on the hair.

 

I don't know about you, but that sounds like a "dumb conversation", and to make sure I'm not contradicting myself I'll quote every post I've made here and highlight every other point I've brought up other than the hair.

 

here goes:

 

Oh my god cant you even tell what people are trying to say? People though the hair thing was dumb and tried to get it off the table as fast as possible, but someone kept arguing back, and I agree that the hair thing IS NOT STRANGE AT ALL AND SHOULD NOT BE FOCUSED UPON WHATSOEVER please go back and reread because that should be glaringly obvious. I was trying to move the conversations away from her hair and who her parent might be since one of those doesnt even matter and the other was already established in the book with the word dad. I attempted to do that with basic knowledge that everybody should know if they have passed the first few years of high school reasoning that she could have that hair color with those two as the parents.

 

to restate in bold yet again in cas it hasnt sunk in that was my attempt to take that particular part of the topic and put an end to it because it was stupid and people were trying to get it off the table from the start but some idiot kept arguing back with idiotic logic so i decided to prove the point everyone was trying to make with genetics that everyone should know if they are over the age of 16.

 

 

 

That's something I would like to know more about, what can cause your hair to change colors from dirty blonde to darkish brown, do tell.

 

As for this, this is something that just naturally happens. Your hair color is determined by the amount of melanin you have in your hair. There are two types of melanin. Pheomelanin which controls the red pigments, and Eumelanin which controls the black/brown pigments. Depending on what gene are 'turned on or turned off' decided what kinds of melanin your hair will produce resulting in the many different shades and colors can naturally take on. Many kids are born blond, but by their 10th birthday they started producing enough melanin for their hair to  change color, thus resulting in someone going from blond to brown hair.

[hopeandlight]

Yes, let's stop arguing. If anyone brings up hair just ignore it. Let's discuss it again if something comes up.

[Dibbs]

Oh my god cant you even tell what people are trying to say? People though the hair thing was dumb and tried to get it off the table as fast as possible, but someone kept arguing back, and I agree that the hair thing IS NOT STRANGE AT ALL AND SHOULD NOT BE FOCUSED UPON WHATSOEVER please go back and reread because that should be glaringly obvious. I was trying to move the conversations away from her hair and who her parent might be since one of those doesnt even matter and the other was already established in the book with the word dad. I attempted to do that with basic knowledge that everybody should know if they have passed the first few years of high school reasoning that she could have that hair color with those two as the parents.

 

to restate in bold yet again in cas it hasnt sunk in that was my attempt to take that particular part of the topic and put an end to it because it was stupid and people were trying to get it off the table from the start but some idiot kept arguing back with idiotic logic so i decided to prove the point everyone was trying to make with genetics that everyone should know if they are over the age of 16.

 

 

As for this, this is something that just naturally happens. Your hair color is determined by the amount of melanin you have in your hair. There are two types of melanin. Pheomelanin which controls the red pigments, and Eumelanin which controls the black/brown pigments. Depending on what gene are 'turned on or turned off' decided what kinds of melanin your hair will produce resulting in the many different shades and colors can naturally take on. Many kids are born blond, but by their 10th birthday they started producing enough melanin for their hair to  change color, thus resulting in someone going from blond to brown hair.

 

 

Does this answer your question

 

"if you think it's worth discussing, not if you disagree with it."

 

Don't reply to something unless you want the person you're addressing your question/your point/opinion to reply to your post.

 

Wait a sec, logic is idiotic? You actually called logic idiotic? So 1 + 1 is idiotic? Forget 16 year olds, even a 1 year old can prove that logic as expressed in mathematical equations such as 1+1 should (if you remove Einstein's theory of relativity from it) = 2. But you're saying that something like it is idiotic, man that right there made my day!

 

It's why we're seen as political animals, if you ask someone a question, isn't it normal to receive a reply? When an answer is given you find it to be annoying then shouldn't you just not ask another question/point/opinion? that's it, that's all you have to do, you don't have to be Einstein  to understand that.

 

It's called discussion, here's a link to it in the Oxford dictionary just so you don't get it twisted http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/discussion

 

Oh Wait, look who's " [the idiot who's] arguing back"........oh the irony

 

 it was stupid and people were trying to get it off the table from the start but some idiot kept arguing back

 

I do hope you're familiar with the etymology of the phrase Political animal, your not an idiot.......................probably..................

 

Now, if you want to end this, then I'll tell you how to do just that, just don't reply to this post, can you do that?

 

Baby steps, baby steps, don't click on the quote, or the multi-quote button, I know you can do it.

 

Call my logic messed up, but do remember that sentience is singular, and is highly volatile when compared to another sentient individual.

 

"The word idiotic is a concept which refers to a relative gap in comprehension between two points represented by two different individuals, more or less when an individual uses such concepts to showcase ones annoyance of an ongoing situation. He/she does not know that he/she is in fact insulting homo sapien sentience as a whole rather than a specific individual thus showcasing an extreme lack of understanding of the volatile world this individual inhabits. A frog at the bottom of a well is ignorant to the ways of the world as they say" 

 

Now let me help you find another topic to discuss, hmmm why don't you try to discuss the the post at the top of this page it seems really interesting.

That should be enough for you, go ahead discuss.

 

Ready

 

Set

 

GO Discuss.

Edited by Dibbs, 20 September 2014 - 03:12 AM.

[Ade_S]

Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics even if you win, you´re still retarded.

Please no...

[Dibbs]

Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics even if you win, you´re still retarded.

Please no...

 

Discussion and arguing are two entirely different things here let me show you.

 

Discussion = http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/discussion

 

Argument = http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/argument

 

So basically your post would be an argument as it does contain some form of aggression.

 

Do keep that in mind, by the way I do hope you win  the gold in the "Special Olympics" 

 

Also we're derailing the topic of this thread so either stay on topic, or don't post at all.

 

Unfortunately this thread isn't about the special Olympics, it's about Tokyo Ghoul Theories.

 

If you want to address something to me specifically and it does not have anything to do with the topic of this thread, then you can PM me.

 

PS: I know that I'm at fault as well, but I can't take all the credit for it.

 

 

Edited by Dibbs, 20 September 2014 - 03:58 AM.

[Ade_S]

Discussion and arguing are two entirely different things here let me show you.

Discussion = http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/discussion

Argument = http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/argument

So basically your post would be an argument as it does contain some form of aggression.

Do keep that in mind, by the way I do hope you win the gold in the "Special Olympics" [/size]

Also we're derailing the topic of this thread so either stay on topic, or don't post at all.

Unfortunately this thread isn't about the special Olympics, it's about Tokyo Ghoul Theories.

If you want to address something to me specifically and it does not have anything to do with the topic of this thread, then you can PM me.

No, sorry I've been idiot in the internet in many occasions. If you want to take the gold, then it's all yours. I'm ashamed for all the pointless conversations I won leaving me as the biggest idiot. This kind of conversations fon't have a point therefore are idiotic.

PS: I know that I'm at fault as well, but I can't take all the credit for it.

Edited by Ade_S, 20 September 2014 - 05:15 AM.

[Kahluah]

Wow dibbs you took this to a whole new level of stupid.

 

1). I never said I was not arguing back, just that I wanted the stupid hair posts to end.

 

1.5). The person you just quoted never said they were not arguing either, but eluding to the fact that arguing on the internet is pointless and that they believe they are above such acts. How dense can you actually be dibbs? May I recommend some re-schooling in reading comprehension? It may have always been my worse subject but at least I can tell what people are trying to say when they post something instead of posting links unrelated to what the person was trying to say in attempts to seem more educated than they are.

 

2). I never said logic was idiotic, i said your logic was idiotic at times. Specifically when you state that Eto's hair is in some way not similar to her parents because that is not a viable reason whatsoever. Genetics work in strange ways as I have stated with proving how she could have red hair, but perhaps I should say it works the same way with weather or not you will have curly hair, straight hair, or even something in between. Her hair in no way or form is strange since it is entirely possible her parents happened to pass on the specific alleles to give her said hair.

 

Basically, there is nothing wrong with her hair in comparison to her parents.

 

(And yes, the term idiotic still applies here since I am also usually dissatisfied with humans in general. We have such a god complex that most people are far to ignorant to even perceive and as such we have probably already sentenced our species and many other to death because of impacts on the environment that will effect our futures. I mean even the term used in whatever you quoted "homo sapiens sentience", like what are you actually trying to set us apart from other species? We are all animals, just because we cant communicate with them doesn't mean we should underrate their sentience and intelligence. Just look at squids, dolphins, Gorillas, and most types of parrots and such they are so smart and have even earned ways to communicate with us to get to know us better its so cool. Basically I will keep using this term even if it applies to our species as a whole. but that's not the topic at hand in this forum.)

 

3). since you seem so intent on having me expound on your other statements then I shall indulge you.

• Amon is the foil of this story. If Kaneki is really alive which is leaning more towards  yes than a no, it would be impossible for Amon to become a one-eyed ghoul and still have the story keeps its integrity.(and that is integrity as in the 2nd definition if you type it in to google. just so that you dont misunderstand how im using that word.) Amon becoming a one-eye would just be flat out weak and dissatisfying. It would be far more painful if it were some of the background character investigators that have openly admitted they look up to Amon, I think he would just be so conflicted and it would heighten his role as the foil in this story if he has to make the heart wrenching decision to kill his former comrades because they are now the enemy, or let them live because even though they may be ghouls this was unwillingly brought upon them by some greater evil.

 

• Eto can totally be a 20 something or even a 30 something. There is something commonly referred to as 'baby face' perhaps you have heard of it, if not let me explain. I am going to turn 20 in a few months, but because I am under 5 feet tall and have a baby face I am always handed the 12 and under menu at restaurants and I often have to correct other establishments that I am in fact over the age of 12 and I should be paying the adult price. It also takes the home depot cashiers a few minutes to decided weather or not I have given them a fake ID when I go to buy spray paint. My favorite response so far was a deep sigh accompanied with "I guess you can go in" one time during a convention.

 

• In all flashback we are most likely shown Kuzen since he was trying to protect his childs identity after all, plus it makes for a much more stunning reveal when the real on-eyed owl is shown for the first time. I think this because in all flashbacks the kakuja looks remarkably similar to Kuzens while Eto had been cannibalizing and strengthening hers, so there should be at least some visible difference between them at that point, so whille they may have started the same by this point they are different. Thats why the CCG can distinguish between "owl' and "one-eyed owl" even if their fighting styles are similar. Plus if this is the case we can reason that Eto is in fact not dying her hair and it simply is a red/brown color and she is covering up for an entirely different reason.

 

• Eto is probably wearing the bandages all the time because she is famous after all. I mean wouldnt it be totally strange if a famous book writer who's stories are awfully similar to that of a one-eyed ghoul be in league with someone making one-eyed ghouls. If I saw them together I would say "hmmmm, could it be there is more to this human than what she appears to be?" It would probably have much faster search results than when Kaneki was looking for leads into Rize's past because who wouldn't want to dig up some juicy gossip on one of the hottest writers at the time. So in order to hie and prevent anything that might endanger her identity she always wore bandages to cover up her true identity. If you want to point out that she was uncovered when she called Kuzen dad that would be because the only person in the near area was her dad and since her dad knows who she is there is no point in covering up, plus laying the father card and the one-eyed owl card in the same panel makes for stunning results.

 

• I also agree that there are 3 "one-eyes". 'Owl' who was trying to pry attention away from his child the true 'one-eyed owl' and then that leaves the 'one-eyed king' who I believe is neither Kuzen nor Eto. What I want to know is why are they searching out other one-eyes? My guess is that when they captured Kaneki they were actually looking for Eto. They probably knew by that point she was working in league with Kanou to make artificial one-eyed ghouls and were most likely using Rize as a kagune farm due to her healing abilities, hence "the one who smells of Rize". She would often be around Rize and the smell would rub off. This would also explain why Kaneki had the "wrong eye". Eto's right eye turns but Kaneki's left eye turns, so when they saw that they knew they obviously had the wrong person.

 

• I do not think the one-eyed king is Kuzen's son and Eto is the kings daughter. Why have Eto call Kuzen dad then, it just makes no sense to say "haha even though she said 'dad' I was just pulling your leg and this is how the family really goes." it also doesn't sound like something the writer would do. The reason the baby has light hair could be as I explained earlier. Many people are born with light colored hair, but as they grow older and start producing more melanin their hair color goes dark. And let me just say this if I have not already, hair is weird. While genetics usually do account for what texture it takes on like I said earlier sometimes it just seems to do whatever it wants with age, That can mean going from straight to curly, curly to straight, or any combination in between. In fact when I cut almost all my hair off it became super wavy almost nearly curly for a month or two before it finally straightened out again, but if you dont believe me just google something like "can straight hair become curly" and find an answer for yourself.

 

• Also I totally get what you mean by hair in stories being visualization of an internal change, but as you said that mostly happens when someone goes through what Kaneki went through. Also Kaneki's change in appearance is realistic as hair goes white and nails go black when under extreme amounts of stress, so even that has some real world logic behind it. So that shows that the writer is also using real world bias for a characters external change, as such the theory that Eto was just a typical towhead (term for child born with blond hair that turns brown or black as they grow up) and her hair is perfectly natural with no significance t anything whatsoever.

 

Also I do hope that you realized my explanation about the melanin in hair was the answer to how the fluffy haired baby can be current day Eto. If you missed that part of my explination it was under the second quote box after I called your logic idiotic Also baby hair is fluffy and soft in general I actually dont know why, my attempts to google search just led me to distraught parent worried about hair care products affecting their baby's fluffy hair.

 

There, more topics have been discussed for you convenience as well as trying to get the simplistic point about the hair that I have been trying to make from the beginning. If you still seem dissatisfied about my explanations of how it is completely viable Eto has that hair with the parents being Kuzen and Ukina I urge you to google simple questions like "can blond hair turn brown/red" or "can straight hair turn curly" because they might help you answer any more Eto hair related questions you may have.

Edited by Kahluah, 20 September 2014 - 05:53 AM.

[Dibbs]

Wow dibbs you took this to a whole new level of stupid.

 

1). I never said I was not arguing back, just that I wanted the stupid hair posts to end.

 

1.5). The person you just quoted never said they were not arguing either, but eluding to the fact that arguing on the internet is pointless and that they believe they are above such acts. How dense can you actually be dibbs? May I recommend some re-schooling in reading comprehension? It may have always been my worse subject but at least I can tell what people are trying to say when they post something instead of posting links unrelated to what the person was trying to say in attempts to seem more educated than they are.

 

2). I never said logic was idiotic, i said your logic was idiotic at times. Specifically when you state that Eto's hair is in some way not similar to her parents because that is not a viable reason whatsoever. Genetics work in strange ways as I have stated with proving how she could have red hair, but perhaps I should say it works the same way with weather or not you will have curly hair, straight hair, or even something in between. Her hair in no way or form is strange since it is entirely possible her parents happened to pass on the specific alleles to give her said hair.

 

Basically, there is nothing wrong with her hair in comparison to her parents.

 

(And yes, the term idiotic still applies here since I am also usually dissatisfied with humans in general. We have such a god complex that most people are far to ignorant to even perceive and as such we have probably already sentenced our species and many other to death because of impacts on the environment that will effect our futures. I mean even the term used in whatever you quoted "homo sapiens sentience", like what are you actually trying to set us apart from other species? We are all animals, just because we cant communicate with them doesn't mean we should underrate their sentience and intelligence. Just look at squids, dolphins, Gorillas, and most types of parrots and such they are so smart and have even earned ways to communicate with us to get to know us better its so cool. Basically I will keep using this term even if it applies to our species as a whole. but that's not the topic at hand in this forum.)

 

3). since you seem so intent on having me expound on your other statements then I shall indulge you.

• Amon is the foil of this story. If Kaneki is really alive which is leaning more towards  yes than a no, it would be impossible for Amon to become a one-eyed ghoul and still have the story keeps its integrity.(and that is integrity as in the 2nd definition if you type it in to google. just so that you dont misunderstand how im using that word.) Amon becoming a one-eye would just be flat out weak and dissatisfying. It would be far more painful if it were some of the background character investigators that have openly admitted they look up to Amon, I think he would just be so conflicted and it would heighten his role as the foil in this story if he has to make the heart wrenching decision to kill his former comrades because they are now the enemy, or let them live because even though they may be ghouls this was unwillingly brought upon them by some greater evil.

 

• Eto can totally be a 20 something or even a 30 something. There is something commonly referred to as 'baby face' perhaps you have heard of it, if not let me explain. I am going to turn 20 in a few months, but because I am under 5 feet tall and have a baby face I am always handed the 12 and under menu at restaurants and I often have to correct other establishments that I am in fact over the age of 12 and I should be paying the adult price. It also takes the home depot cashiers a few minutes to decided weather or not I have given them a fake ID when I go to buy spray paint. My favorite response so far was a deep sigh accompanied with "I guess you can go in" one time during a convention.

 

• In all flashback we are most likely shown Kuzen since he was trying to protect his childs identity after all, plus it makes for a much more stunning reveal when the real on-eyed owl is shown for the first time. I think this because in all flashbacks the kakuja looks remarkably similar to Kuzens while Eto had been cannibalizing and strengthening hers, so there should be at least some visible difference between them at that point, so whille they may have started the same by this point they are different. Thats why the CCG can distinguish between "owl' and "one-eyed owl" even if their fighting styles are similar. Plus if this is the case we can reason that Eto is in fact not dying her hair and it simply is a red/brown color and she is covering up for an entirely different reason.

 

• Eto is probably wearing the bandages all the time because she is famous after all. I mean wouldnt it be totally strange if a famous book writer who's stories are awfully similar to that of a one-eyed ghoul be in league with someone making one-eyed ghouls. If I saw them together I would say "hmmmm, could it be there is more to this human than what she appears to be?" It would probably have much faster search results than when Kaneki was looking for leads into Rize's past because who wouldn't want to dig up some juicy gossip on one of the hottest writers at the time. So in order to hie and prevent anything that might endanger her identity she always wore bandages to cover up her true identity. If you want to point out that she was uncovered when she called Kuzen dad that would be because the only person in the near area was her dad and since her dad knows who she is there is no point in covering up, plus laying the father card and the one-eyed owl card in the same panel makes for stunning results.

 

• I also agree that there are 3 "one-eyes". 'Owl' who was trying to pry attention away from his child the true 'one-eyed owl' and then that leaves the 'one-eyed king' who I believe is neither Kuzen nor Eto. What I want to know is why are they searching out other one-eyes? My guess is that when they captured Kaneki they were actually looking for Eto. They probably knew by that point she was working in league with Kanou to make artificial one-eyed ghouls and were most likely using Rize as a kagune farm due to her healing abilities, hence "the one who smells of Rize". She would often be around Rize and the smell would rub off. This would also explain why Kaneki had the "wrong eye". Eto's right eye turns but Kaneki's left eye turns, so when they saw that they knew they obviously had the wrong person.

 

• I do not think the one-eyed king is Kuzen's son and Eto is the kings daughter. Why have Eto call Kuzen dad then, it just makes no sense to say "haha even though she said 'dad' I was just pulling your leg and this is how the family really goes." it also doesn't sound like something the writer would do. The reason the baby has light hair could be as I explained earlier. Many people are born with light colored hair, but as they grow older and start producing more melanin their hair color goes dark. And let me just say this if I have not already, hair is weird. While genetics usually do account for what texture it takes on like I said earlier sometimes it just seems to do whatever it wants with age, That can mean going from straight to curly, curly to straight, or any combination in between. In fact when I cut almost all my hair off it became super wavy almost nearly curly for a month or two before it finally straightened out again, but if you dont believe me just google something like "can straight hair become curly" and find an answer for yourself.

 

• Also I totally get what you mean by hair in stories being visualization of an internal change, but as you said that mostly happens when someone goes through what Kaneki went through. Also Kaneki's change in appearance is realistic as hair goes white and nails go black when under extreme amounts of stress, so even that has some real world logic behind it. So that shows that the writer is also using real world bias for a characters external change, as such the theory that Eto was just a typical towhead (term for child born with blond hair that turns brown or black as they grow up) and her hair is perfectly natural with no significance t anything whatsoever.

 

Also I do hope that you realized my explanation about the melanin in hair was the answer to how the fluffy haired baby can be current day Eto. If you missed that part of my explination it was under the second quote box after I called your logic idiotic Also baby hair is fluffy and soft in general I actually dont know why, my attempts to google search just led me to distraught parent worried about hair care products affecting their baby's fluffy hair.

 

There, more topics have been discussed for you convenience as well as trying to get the simplistic point about the hair that I have been trying to make from the beginning. If you still seem dissatisfied about my explanations of how it is completely viable Eto has that hair with the parents being Kuzen and Ukina I urge you to google simple questions like "can blond hair turn brown/red" or "can straight hair turn curly" because they might help you answer any more Eto hair related questions you may have.

 

Hmm true, but I have one question regarding Both Kaneki, and Eto having their kugan in their right (Kaneki) and left (Eto), I can't help but think that it is in some way a form of symbolism.

 

Logic, follows a sequence, mine has more holes than Swiss cheese, but that is because I can't express my opinions properly on the Internet as I depend, and heavily use body  language as my primary method of establishing a tone.

 

When it comes to politics you can't depend on the text itself as you simply "understand what you want to, and leave out all the rest" thus I focus on body language.

 

Body language does not equal logic as logic itself has a definite "form", while sentience does not as it is highly volatile, my "logic" simply does not exist.

 

Although the way I see things is rather convoluted.

 

For lack of a better word Kanaki and Eto remind me of Chrona and her sister the other two artificial one Eye Ghouls.

 

There is something off with Eto, I just can't pinpoint what it is.

 

The clown gang seems to be playing a very big part in all of this as they were the ones that (probably) got Rize to Kanou.

 

Something big is missing, but if I may say something it is that Aogori tree has always wanted to use Kuzan to manufacture more artificial one Eyes once they got Kanou.

 

thats what I've got for now.

Edited by Dibbs, 20 September 2014 - 06:16 AM.

[Kahluah]

Well Kuro and Shiro both had the Kugan in different eyes as well, so if we can find the key differences between them and have the same difference be in the relationship of Kaneki to Eto then we have an answer, so maybe we should try to find comparisons there first.

 

As I also said something is off with Eto, but I think it may be more of a warped personality than anything else. Of course we wont know unless we see more of her in a second series. But why else would she join forces with someone forcible turning people into one-eyes liker her, they would have to go through the same hardships she did after all but she doesn't seem to care about that. Unless her logic is twisted in some cruel way I just don't see why she would be working with Kanou.

Edited by Kahluah, 20 September 2014 - 06:28 AM.

[Dibbs]

Dibbs please go back and read more than points 1).-2). and you will find that I discuss in length everything else you wanted me to discuss including Amon, the three one-eyed ghouls, why Eto looks different n the flashbacks, and much much more!!! Not to say you just dug your own grave there by not even reading my full post and just arguing back, but wow. All I can do is shake my head here. And you said I couldnt discuss anything else

 

so does anyone who bothered to read my post in its entirety want to discuss what I said about the other points Dibbs brought up since Dibbs didnt seem to want to read it even though it was exactly what they asked for?

 

Funny thing is I did read it, that's all I've got in response I don't bring up Amon nor the three One eyed's rather could Eto, and Kaneki's Kagune hold some for of symbolic value.

 

I'm not arguing, simply discussing is that a problem?

[Kahluah]

Funny thing is I did read it, that's all I've got in response I don't bring up Amon nor the three One eyed's rather could Eto, and Kaneki's Kagune hold some for of symbolic value.

 

I'm not arguing, simply discussing is that a problem?

 

No, its fine. I think we finally came to an understanding. I updated my last post as well.

 

Also the centipede has had a symbolic meaning throughout the whole story,I forget exactly what it was but basically yeah Kaneki was symbolically the centipede

[Dibbs]

No, its fine. I think we finally came to an understanding. I updated my last post as well.

 

Also the centipede has had a symbolic meaning throughout the whole story,I forget exactly what it was but basically yeah Kaneki was symbolically the centipede

 

Just a side note thing

 

I was re reading a few select chapter in Tokyo Ghoul and this keeps cropping up

 

http://vatoto.com/read/_/265302/tokyo-ghoul_ch126_by_anonymous/9

 

The world is wrong

 

Life is Evil

 

it keeps coming back, its in the final chapter, and its probably in the Kaneki torture scene.

 

There must be some cultural significance behind the centipede as Kaneki's Kakuja form literally had a centipede coming out of his back.

 

With Chrona and her sister, they were complete opposites that complemented each other, and moved in unison similarity to how the Bin brothers fought.

 

The only thing I can find is that it might be hinting to either Yin/Yang or an equilibrium 

 

Chrona wears black, her sister wears white (Symbolism good (white) bad (black))

 

With Eto and Kaneki we can sort of see a similarity that is reflected in their hair (Kaneki goes from Dark hair to light hair, while Eto goes in the exact opposite direction)

 

Does that help

 

Edit

 

I found (just out of random curiosity) that Owls do eat centipedes, Hunter, hunted could be the message that the Eto and Kaneki could be like Guts and Griffith.

 

Owl (Eto) Centipede (Kaneki) 

Good (Eto)        Evil (Kaneki)    

 

Or Eto could be seen as the looming shadow over Kaneki's plot progression.

 

a bit off topic but I would love to see a spin off manga focussing on Eto, or i would find it hilarious if Eto wound up going after Kaneki for some odd reason. I don't know why but the thought of it those two together just being together makes me rofl.

 

Does any of that make any sense, if both Chrona and her sister could get along to as well as they did, despite being opposites then...........please tell me I'm on to something here

 

Just another Edit

 

I was reading up on the Mukade (the Japanese centipede that gets shoved into Kaneki's ear) and it seams to represent "evil" so that's something I hope.

 

Could Kaneki possibly come back not as a protagonist, but as an antagonist of some sort in part two with the focus being on Aogori tree.

 

food for thought,

Edited by Dibbs, 20 September 2014 - 08:35 AM.

[Trips]

This last cloudy pic looks much more amazing in negative. Suddenly you see orangey dawn with black storm going into center.

 

http://postimg.org/image/wud1hu6zh/

Edited by Trips, 20 September 2014 - 09:13 AM.

[H3FtY]

Just a side note thing

 

I was re reading a few select chapter in Tokyo Ghoul and this keeps cropping up

 

http://vatoto.com/read/_/265302/tokyo-ghoul_ch126_by_anonymous/9

 

The world is wrong

 

Life is Evil

 

it keeps coming back, its in the final chapter, and its probably in the Kaneki torture scene.

 

There must be some cultural significance behind the centipede as Kaneki's Kakuja form literally had a centipede coming out of his back.

 

With Chrona and her sister, they were complete opposites that complemented each other, and moved in unison similarity to how the Bin brothers fought.

 

The only thing I can find is that it might be hinting to either Yin/Yang or an equilibrium 

 

Chrona wears black, her sister wears white (Symbolism good (white) bad (black))

 

With Eto and Kaneki we can sort of see a similarity that is reflected in their hair (Kaneki goes from Dark hair to light hair, while Eto goes in the exact opposite direction)

 

Does that help

 

Edit

 

I found (just out of random curiosity) that Owls do eat centipedes, Hunter, hunted could be the message that the Eto and Kaneki could be like Guts and Griffith.

 

Owl (Eto) Centipede (Kaneki) 

Good (Eto)        Evil (Kaneki)    

 

Or Eto could be seen as the looming shadow over Kaneki's plot progression.

 

a bit off topic but I would love to see a spin off manga focussing on Eto, or i would find it hilarious if Eto wound up going after Kaneki for some odd reason. I don't know why but the thought of it those two together just being together makes me rofl.

 

Does any of that make any sense, if both Chrona and her sister could get along to as well as they did, despite being opposites then...........please tell me I'm on to something here

 

Just another Edit

 

I was reading up on the Mukade (the Japanese centipede that gets shoved into Kaneki's ear) and it seams to represent "evil" so that's something I hope.

 

Could Kaneki possibly come back not as a protagonist, but as an antagonist of some sort in part two with the focus being on Aogori tree.

 

food for thought,

 

The centipede representing evil, and "life is evil", would be hints at Kaneki's character development.

 

"Evil" goes inside Kaneki, Kaneki is corrupted,"evil" becomes a part of him (his centipede kakuja represents this evil within him), and as we see in the story it is necessary for his survival to accept this evil nature and use it.

 

So my guess is that "the world is wrong, life is evil"  means how it is necessary to be evil to live, it's not right but it is how it is, hence the world is wrong. Kaneki then is an example of this wrong, having this dual nature within him of good and evil (yin and yang). Yin and yang are supposed to be in balance, but the world is leaning towards evil, so it's wrong, and Kaneki is also forced to rely more on his evil than his own good in order to live.

 

So, I guess that it's all symbolic for the "necessary evils" in order to survive in this world.

 

As for Kaneki turning into an antagonist, that would depend from the point of view used to define him as such. We don't know the true motives behind the ccg, aogiri, or v for that matter. Aogiri could be aiming for world peace, the ccg could be looking for world domination, as crazy as it sounds there's no definitive proof of what's going on, just hints (Kanou telling Kaneki about the twisted bird cage the world was in, for example) but we don't know he truth. So I think that he won't be an antagonist as such, rather his methods and goals will actually end up being counter-productive to achieving some sort of peace or whatever the "true good guys" , whoever they are if there happens to be such a thing in this story, or he'll be fooled into actually making things worse somehow which would fit with the tragedy of his story. Even trying to do good, he ends up doing greater harm.

[akagodeater]

Crazy theory:

 

if kaneki still alive

i think the body of artificial ghoul should  gradually degenerates, so I think Kaneki he has to be dying slowly (if he still alive)

so I think Nishiki will have a big role in the second season

 

sorry for my bad grammar

Edited by akagodeater, 23 September 2014 - 04:10 PM.