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[truepurple]

And, truepurple, please watch your attitude in future, mate.  Just a touch belligerent there, for a bit, you were.   Neither Currygom, tC <nods at Fembot> nor Mizura owe you a single thing.   If a translation doesn't happen, it doesn't happen: you can deal as it's not a deliberate insult or anything.

 

Please don't decide random nonsense on your own. My attitude is fine, and the only thing I am insulted on are posts like this. BTW it is inappropriate for you to accuse me like this here, if you wish to accuse me in the future, please do so in PM, otherwise it is just libel and only serves to start fights and illicit bad feelings. The topic is translations of information pages, not my attitude, please remain on topic.

 

I don't see how a translation of her work hosted on another site goes against creative control. If currygom just wants it on her site, why not host the translations herself on her site?

Edited by truepurple, 28 August 2013 - 07:58 PM.

[Random-Webtoon-Fan]

I don't see how a translation of her work hosted on another site goes against creative control. If currygom just wants it on her site, why not host the translations herself on her site?

 

You know... all these scans are not official. They are fan-made. If Currygom objects to scans, and say it is against copyrights (which they are), they'll have to be erased.

[Mizura]

Currygom doesn't owe us anything, certainly not dozens of hours in extra hassle to get her several hundred blog pages translated into a language not of the target audience. She has several possibilities, and all of them are lose-lose propositions to her:

• She oversees the translations herself. And why stop at English? Why not Chinese, Spanish, French and other languages? If she does this, then the amount of hassle goes through the roof. Everytime she makes a small update to one of the entries (which she sometimes does with the profiles), she'll have to coordinate changes for all the other languages.
• She lets the fans do the translations and doesn't pay attention to them. Unless she hands over control of her blog (which I Really doubt she wants to), she'll still have to upload herself, which is a hassle. It's a blog, not a damn wiki. Also, she'd then have to deal with people nitpicking complaining about inaccuracies. "Hey, it's on the author's blog, why isn't Currygom doing something about this mistake?!"
• She could, of course, just allow her stuff to be reposted outside her blog, but it's her content and she can well decide what she wants to do with it.

Honestly, Think a little before you suggest these "great" ideas. And frankly Truepurple, you have an entire history of being a troll. You've even started threads to nitpick on the Company's translations, which would be fine as constructive criticism, but you took them way too far. The Company owes you absolutely nothing either. For all your "why don't you do [xxx hard work] to serve my convenience" attitude, have you ever contributed back or at least genuinely thanked the ones providing information and scanlations?

Edited by Mizura, 29 August 2013 - 01:31 AM.

[truepurple]

Random-Webtoon-Fan

You know... all these scans are not official. They are fan-made. If Currygom objects to scans, and say it is against copyrights (which they are), they'll have to be erased.

Are you suggesting that Currgom isn't aware of the current scantelations? Then why would she make a point to say not to repost the descriptive stuff elsewhere but not to do so for the main story, then? It makes no sense, I am sure she is well aware of the english scantelation of her work.

 

@Mizura

It's simple she allows others to scantelate the info pages, but only allows it on her site, anyone willing sends her the scantelation, and she uploads it. For that matter, she could upload all the english translation scantelations onto her site too, that way people can give traffic to her site and read the comic at the same time. "What if someone complains" so someone complains, that can happen regardless of what she does, how is that remote possibility a reason against? And uploading isn't that great a hassle.

 

As for the rest Mizura, I see you are only trying to get my goat, to egg me on, to get a reaction out of me (otherwise known as trolling) so I will ignore it. (other then saying this) Please behave yourself.

Edited by truepurple, 29 August 2013 - 01:44 AM.

[Mizura]

^ She Is aware, she's even posted on her me2day in response to people bringing it to her attention (as a copyright violation).

 

However, her situation is that the copyright belongs to Naver, not her, so she'll let Naver handle it. Frankly, if Naver decides to take down the English scanlations, Currygom likely won't lift a finger to complain. SHE doesn't have the right to allow scanlations either.

 

anyone willing sends her the scantelation, and she uploads it.

Again, THINK a bit. SHE will have to upload it, SHE will have to check for inaccuracies, and if she doesn't, SHE will be dealing with all the people complaining of the inaccuracy of the content on HER blog. She gains NOTHING from it except extra work and complaint. She's a webtoon artist, not a website content administrator.

Edited by Mizura, 29 August 2013 - 01:53 AM.

[Random-Webtoon-Fan]

Are you suggesting that Currgom isn't aware of the current scantelations? Then why would she make a point to say not to repost the descriptive stuff elsewhere but not to do so for the main story, then? It makes no sense, I am sure she is well aware of the english scantelation of her work.

 

@Mizura

It's simple she allows others to scantelate the info pages, but only allows it on her site, anyone willing sends her the scantelation, and she uploads it. For that matter, she could upload all the english translation scantelations onto her site too, that way people can give traffic to her site and read the comic at the same time. "What if someone complains" so someone complains, that can happen regardless of what she does, how is that remote possibility a reason against? And uploading isn't that great a hassle.

 

She is aware that scans exist, and most webtoon authors do. BUT they do not have right to outrightly accept those scans because they are contracted with Naver to upload webtoons only there.   It's just like with manga author and manga company contract - just online.

 

And both Naver and Currygom gain nothing from scans, except really small increase in view counts, and even that is only by people going to see raws (When someone see just scans, they get nothing at all). So they will not go through all the things they will have to do to upload webtoons in other languages.

 

And of course she can't put translated infos, neither. Like Mizura said, she'll have to manage them, when she barely got time for Webtoon.

[truepurple]

Clearly she has accepted the scans as they are on batoto. Why are you even mentioning this weird seemingly random thing?

 

They would get extra views if the scans were posted on the site, which was my suggestion.

 

What manage? It's upload and forget (if you wish) mostly, just like with her original work.

Edited by truepurple, 29 August 2013 - 03:12 AM.

[Mizura]

Currygom Never accepted the scans. In fact, she doesn't seem that happy about them. She also Does not have the right to accept the scans.

The copyright belongs exclusively to Naver, who pays her in exchange for having the exclusive distribution rights to her work. So it is Naver's responsility to handle copyright violations.

Currygom gains nothing from extra views to her blog. It's a lot of work for absolutely No return whatsoever. Again, Think. Would you upload translations of your personal blog into arabic for extra views, knowing that you're not paid for it? It's her personal blog. She does what she wants with it. And yes, uploading itself is work. There's the coding to worry about, there are updates to worry about.

Edited by Mizura, 29 August 2013 - 07:14 AM.

[HTFNoelle]

I would hate it if they decided to take down the scans from Batoto. D:

Like I would happily buy the books, if they were in english. But I don't know Korean, and Kubera is the only Manhwa I really read

[truepurple]

So Naver owns her main pages, but not the additional info pages?

 

Currygom gains nothing from extra views to her blog

 

Maybe advertisement money? You speak with such confidence, but is it based on something?

 

It's her personal blog. She does what she wants with it.

 

Please, your grand insight is killing me. I mean your insight is so overwhelming I might die on the spot. I would never figured in a million years that she owned her blog and had say in what goes on in it. I mean next you will tell me gems of wisdom like water is wet, sun is bright and hot, and cats have four legs? No, I can't take any more wisdom like that, please just don't tell me such great things, I am at my limit!   

[Mizura]

^ Says the guy who just spent several posts arguing what Currygom Should be doing, even though there's not a single advertisement on her blog. :\

 

She's paid for webtoon views, not for her personal blog views.

Edited by Mizura, 29 August 2013 - 07:32 AM.

[Random-Webtoon-Fan]

So Naver owns her main pages, but not the additional info pages?

 

 

Maybe advertisement money? You speak with such confidence, but is it based on something?

 

You should learn how Webtoon works.

 

Currygom draws and sends her webtoon to Naver, who posts in the Naver's webtoon page of Kubera

 

http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/list.nhn?titleId=131385&weekday=tue

 

People see Kubera here, and Naver earns money by people seeing ads there, and pays Currygom.

 

 

 

And she manages other data in her blog. But would not let other people copy them to other places.

 

http://blog.naver.com/currygom

 

There is no ad here. Just personal blog. And she manages it by updating it often.

 

 

And arguing what Currygom should do here changes nothing. Currygom chose to work in this way, she would not change that for a foreign reader.  She owes nothing to scans. 

[battradio]

So Naver owns her main pages, but not the additional info pages?

 

 

Maybe advertisement money? You speak with such confidence, but is it based on something?

 

 

Please, your grand insight is killing me. I mean your insight is so overwhelming I might die on the spot. I would never figured in a million years that she owned her blog and had say in what goes on in it. I mean next you will tell me gems of wisdom like water is wet, sun is bright and hot, and cats have four legs? No, I can't take any more wisdom like that, please just don't tell me such great things, I am at my limit!   

 

In one of my favorite short stories , there were only to laws in the future , don't offend any one or be offended too easy , you would never live the day out there would you !

[truepurple]

Battradio, so you posted just to be a ass and behave totally offensively while lecturing me about levels of offensiveness. Go to hell. 

 

Says the guy who just spent several posts arguing what Currygom Should be doing,

 

Get a clue, I was asking about it. "Why not..." is a question, not a order! I never ordered currygom around or any other stupid fantasy of yours.  Stop making shit up and libeling me with it.

 

I post asking for help trying to understand something, and I get are people being totally obnoxious and nasty instead.  Don't you have a life other then trolling me, then go to it please.

 

 Look, either help, or leave me the ^%$^ alone!   I don't need this shit, you damn bullies.

Edited by truepurple, 29 August 2013 - 08:59 AM.

[Mizura]

We already did help. Others have already provided the link to exactly the information you're looking for ("links to all actual translations of Currygom's blog content, not including summaries, and not including stuff deduced from Google Translations"). You didn't even thank them. :\

 

yo truepurple, the company didn't really do many translations for the kubera infos, there's some stuff at the ends of chapters and on this page http://vatoto.com/forums/topic/3402-the-companys-guide-to-the-world-of-kubera/. but they are a very small sample of the kubera blog/canon infos out there that currygom posted. 

 

The only bit of information that I can add that hasn't been mentioned here yet are the blog post translations on Sagara's 5-Rakshasa followers added to the end of S1, Ch67 here (completed before we knew about currygom not wanting her blog translated).

 

That's it, that's the entirety of literal translations that you are looking for. Everything else are summaries and google translate-derived, and nobody else has done literal blog translations since because Currygom doesn't want us to.

Edited by Mizura, 29 August 2013 - 09:38 AM.

[Random-Webtoon-Fan]

Battradio, so you posted just to be a ass and behave totally offensively while lecturing me about levels of offensiveness. Go to hell. 

 

 

Get a clue, I was asking about it. "Why not..." is a question, not a order! I never ordered currygom around or any other stupid fantasy of yours.  Stop making shit up and libeling me with it.

 

I post asking for help trying to understand something, and I get are people being totally obnoxious and nasty instead.  Don't you have a life other then trolling me, then go to it please.

 

 Look, either help, or leave me the ^%$^ alone!   I don't need this shit, you damn bullies.

 

Every single question you asked were answered and your suggestions were explained why they would/could not work.

 

What do you want?

[Euodiachloris]

Let's us all leave this be for a day or so, eh?  Questions asked; questions answered (even if they weren't liked)... let's move on.   The tone of this is a little depressing and drama like this is not a help to just having a good chat about Kubera.

[Fembot]

Okay... I think this thread has gone far enough. Locked.

The original question you've asked has been answered multiple times, truepurple, there is no reason to pointlessly debate about how or how not currygom should run her blog and what she chooses to do with it, nor about the legal aspects of Naver's copyright over Kubera. But, I'll re-hash what both Mizura and Webtoon-Fan have said to try putting some final clarity on the issue for you.

In a nutshell, by hosting and paying for currygom's webtoon, Naver owns the rights to Kubera. If currygom were to positively acknowledge unofficial foreign scanlations in any way, shape, or form (which--I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume--includes foreign translations of the Kuberian world, magic/transcendentals, or character profiles on her personal blog) she would be infringing upon her contract with Naver to keep Kubera exclusively with Naver and its Korean audience. And that's a huge no for any webtoon author.
If you ask, "Why doesn't Naver have their webtoons officially translated into English?", that's most likely because Naver is, for now, an exclusively Korean-based corporation and search engine/portal. It's unfortunate for foreign fanbases, but in their webtoon subsection, they seem to have little to no interest in branching out to other languages at this time. Perhaps they might in the future, who knows? However, that's not something webtoon authors can control, and something they absolutely must abide by if they want to keep their contract intact.

Back to my main point: I think the problem here isn't that others are ganging up on you; the problem is that no matter how everyone here answers your questions, you continue to oppose and argue against what they tell you and spin it into another debate of some sort. In the end, everyone--both you and other forumers here--becomes frustrated, either because you believe your questions aren't fully answered, or someone else thinks their answers aren't being fully acknowledged, and the thread quickly escalates into something it shouldn't. I've noticed this as a trend with many of your threads, truepurple. I'm only pointing it out because I think it's something for you to keep in mind in the future.

 

Wow I feel like I wrote an essay there.