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[MGIBBS]

Naruto is definitely a story manga and not an action manga like say beelzebub which has a lot of one shot filler chapters that do nothing for plot advancement. Due to the path the story has taken it must soon end. I would say Naruto started as an action manga the whole going on missions of different difficulties at the beginning was a perfect setup to have isolated arcs that could still be beneficial to overall plot by each one showing Naruto getting stronger. However given that the first mission was many chapters implies the author thinks ahead to a general direction months in advance. By the time the chunin exam arc was mid way the author in my opinion had the ideal end of the unification of ninja world in mind.

Given that the markings of chakra mode look like the silhouette of the sage of six paths (s.o.s.p) I foresee the chakra of the tailed beasts if only small amounts and the things the biju taught Naruto along with their names will make Naruto Into the true next s.o.s.p. he may awaken the rineagan? since he to is a descendent of s.o.s.p. Naruto will free the biju and will become host to all of them except the 8 tails. with the massive life energy kurama combined with the chakra of the other biju Naruto will resurect the recently dead like pain did without dying. Sasuke will be turned off the path of vengance by itachi and Naruto. There might be an ark to show how the shinobi survive in a peaceful world but once the shinobi are united and akatsuki defeated there cant be many fight scenes. Naruto might well be over by chapter 650. Or the author can expand the world of the manga by having the shinobi spread peace in the lands mentioned in the 2nd Naruto movie reintroducing the Temujin character.

How does everyone else want Naruto to end or continue after the 4th great ninja war?
Since there's only been 4 great ninja wars and I believe there have been hundreds/ thousands of years since s.o.s.p lived for him to be mythical figure .ninjas must have been living fairly peacefully.

[wintercry]

Naruto is definitely a story manga and not an action manga like say beelzebub which has a lot of one shot filler chapters that do nothing for plot advancement.

Beelzebub is a gag manga, action is at lower priority. And Naruto is an action manga. I guess what you're trying to say is that Naruto is a mainstream manga having a consistent storyline contributing to the story's main goal unlike gag mangas.

[MGIBBS]

Wintercry you're right in that Beelzebub is focusing on the gags which is why the story is all over the place as in no long term direction other than the demon lord is a flake who wants to destroy humans. In detective Conan the focus is the tricks of the various mysteries and advancement of story i.e the organization that made him young, is less important and rarely advances, which, is why I became bored with it. Also, this explains why its so long running, since its fairly easy to pick up the story from the beginning of most arcs without having to read all the previous chapters. New children who start to read the magazine can pick it up and vote for it fairly easily without having to have read the first 500 chapters.

Naruto on the other hand could have been a similarly episodic manga, since the structure was put in place by the whole missions idea. However, although Naruto is a strong mainstream action manga the story is very important not just consistent. The plot carries through for hundreds of chapters with mini arcs based around a larger storyline, because of this it becomes much more difficult to pick up Naruto half way through the series as there is so much back story required to make sense of many of the latest chapters. This is not a bad thing as it makes Naruto much more interesting and complex. I would assume that Naruto has greater long term takubon? sales than Detective Conan due to new children wishing to make sense of Naruto. Limited storage space might be a factor so if there was a library of manga it would be in higher demand. It is because Naruto builds up the characters and there complex relationships over a long period and not just the protagonist, that in my opinion Naruto is a story action manga rather than an action manga with a consistent story. The story of Naruto is as interesting as the action scenes unlike in detective Conan where the tricks are far more interesting than the plot. It was the tricks that made me stick with detective Conan so long since the story is quite poor. I prefer story manga in that to me they have a strong interesting story. Gag manga can get away with a weak story but other genres really aught to have strong stories or at least be consistent.

The Naruto anime isn't consistent which bugs me in the episodes that describe Naruto's journey by sea to turtle island. The other leaf ninja seem to meet up with naruto far too often and quickly since they travel for several weeks and the others seem to take only days.

[wintercry]

Every manga is a story manga, i.e., One Piece is a story about an aspiring pirate. It depends on other sub-themes to specifically point out a manga, making it unique. Consistency is also within the story itself, it's not apart from it, hence me coining a term called "consistent storyline" also in which Naruto and majority of other mainstream titles possess. I'm just pointing out that what you call story manga is more accurate to be called a manga with consistent storyline.

A side note, Detective Conan is a non-mainstream mystery manga which explains its episodic based arcs. Obviously, it can never surpass a mainstream manga like Naruto in terms of long term tankobon sales. Non-mainstream mangas are inferior to mainstream ones, that makes it hard for them to come on top by comparison.

You're correct, the Naruto anime is a perfect example of inconsistency. That is because the tank materials of the manga is slowly being caught up upon by the anime. This also proves that Naruto is nearing its final arc, or already in its final arc. There seem to be a lot of gap already between the anime and manga yet they see this as insufficient to keep a consistent arc.

Edited by wintercry, 20 April 2012 - 09:20 AM.

[MGIBBS]

The definition of mainstream manga is that its contents are what the majority of readers like so it has a large following and many mangaka have manga with similar concepts but still remain popular. In the 80's and early 90's high/ middle school stories about sports clubs getting to play on national level or trying to was a common theme, these manga also had the common element that the main character was in the club for the sake of the club manager a pretty girl. "koieshien" (excuse spelling) was a common name appearing in many manga of that period that i have seen scanlations of. I do not see many new sport manga now especially baseball stories so I assume they are no longer mainstream since any new manga would closely resemble previous works since the genre was done to death. So non-mainstream as converse of mainstream are manga which have less popular storyline themes with few if any other mangaka producing similar stories at the same time. A core mainstream theme would be the concept of how important friends are and the power of those bonds as seen in Naruto and one piece.

Non-mainstream mangas are inferior to mainstream ones, that makes it hard for them to come on top by comparison.

Given this I cannot accept your statement that non-mainstream are inferior. while it is true that they are hard to compare in sales or votes since for example mystery stories are less popular, however that doesn't mean that non-mainstream are of lower quality. hunter x hunter is mainstream in my opinion but the art sucks especially the backgrounds. Though it did turn quite dark and killed a lot of characters so maybe it stopped being mainstream.

[wintercry]

I meant they are inferior that their comic sales and questionnaire rankings are poor, not the quality is inferior.

[Song-Sword]

Naruto will end eventually. The author does not have an infinite lifespan. (limit 1) Weekly deadlines are stressful and damaging to the body. (limit 2) The story has been built around the inevitable conflict between two people which both consider themselves prepared for. (limit 3) The maximum power being a little above the sage of six paths has nearly been reached. (limit 4)

I anticipate several events before the end of the series.
Naruto becomes the jinchuuriki of all 9 tailed beasts, including the 8 tails.
Sasuke obtains the Rinnegan.
Konohamaru fights Naruto for, or becomes Hokage.

I expect a time skip for the last event because Konohamaru is nowhere near Naruto's level at present.

[MGIBBS]

for Naruto to become the jinchuuriki for the 8 tails killer Bee has to die or since the nine tails life energy is so strong Naruto could use the jutsu that was used on Garra without dying himself. But, I don't foresee 8 tails and bee splitting just so Naruto can become ultimate jinchuuriki. The 8 tails will likely only give Naruto some of his chakra.
After the war i can see Naruto becoming a sixth kage whose position is to keep the hidden villages friendly and deal with any feelings of hate before they take root and start a ninja war. Given the administration abilities required of the Hokage or any kage of a hidden village I don't see Naruto actually getting the job he'll be considered since he has been acknowledged by village as a good ninja but someone on panel will say he's like ero sennin and won't have patience for the job. Since he only said he would be hokage so that everyone would have to acknowledge him and as itachi recently reminded him you don't become hokage unless your already acknowledged, Naruto would be okay with Konohamaru becoming hokage. Also Naruto would have already surpassed the previous hokages by uniting all the ninjas
when the war is over the raikage won't have time to oversee a joint shinobi army but because it proved itself as powerful and useful the kage wont want to see it go so Naruto will be placed in charge of it. The villages will remain autonomous doing there own missions ( like finding runaway cats) in their own countries but when a mission involves more than one country the the shinobi army will do the mission ( like escorting a diplomat across borders or catching rogue ninjas). the shinobi army would be made up of equal numbers from each village all would be chunin or above. the representatives of each village would change annually so as to build friendly relations between as many shinobis from different villages as possible.

[Bigivel]

The idea of peace in a Ninja world is a stupid one. A Ninja is a Spy and a mercenary. I can't see how can be a world in peace, when are people stealing important information from one another and killing one another.

The idea that ninjas missions are finding runaway cats(class D missions in naruto) or escorting diplomats is stupid. Who would pay money for someone to find is cat?( In naruto the cat mission was a gag mission made so the genins could practice there skills). Why would a diplomat need to contract a ninja to escort him? It much, much, much easier to have permanent escorts, and a ninja isn't made for that type of assignment, because escort is about defense and not attack and stealth.

Unfortunately I already give up of Kishimoto so I think the MGIBBS end gonna be the end of naruto, but the true is this, If the people in naruto had some little intelligence then would have found the response for their quest( Mainly Minato, Jyraia and Naruto).

How can one create a peaceful ninja world? Simple, one can't. Or you choose the path of peace and end the ninja world( Madara and Obito are in this path. Controlling everybody is in reality ending the ninja world). Or choose the path of ninja(The Job) and end the peace in the world.

One thing that Kishi had never referred is that ninja is a Job as seler is another one in the world of Naruto, and that death is a reality of the Job. How can Naruto had never killed anyone( Rasengan is a S class jutsu, but never killed anyone).

Edited by Bigivel, 28 September 2012 - 05:45 PM.

[KaitenV]

Naruto is definitely a story manga and not an action manga like say beelzebub which has a lot of one shot filler chapters that do nothing for plot advancement. Due to the path the story has taken it must soon end. I would say Naruto started as an action manga the whole going on missions of different difficulties at the beginning was a perfect setup to have isolated arcs that could still be beneficial to overall plot by each one showing Naruto getting stronger. However given that the first mission was many chapters implies the author thinks ahead to a general direction months in advance. By the time the chunin exam arc was mid way the author in my opinion had the ideal end of the unification of ninja world in mind.

Given that the markings of chakra mode look like the silhouette of the sage of six paths (s.o.s.p) I foresee the chakra of the tailed beasts if only small amounts and the things the biju taught Naruto along with their names will make Naruto Into the true next s.o.s.p. he may awaken the rineagan? since he to is a descendent of s.o.s.p. Naruto will free the biju and will become host to all of them except the 8 tails. with the massive life energy kurama combined with the chakra of the other biju Naruto will resurect the recently dead like pain did without dying. Sasuke will be turned off the path of vengance by itachi and Naruto. There might be an ark to show how the shinobi survive in a peaceful world but once the shinobi are united and akatsuki defeated there cant be many fight scenes. Naruto might well be over by chapter 650. Or the author can expand the world of the manga by having the shinobi spread peace in the lands mentioned in the 2nd Naruto movie reintroducing the Temujin character.

How does everyone else want Naruto to end or continue after the 4th great ninja war?
Since there's only been 4 great ninja wars and I believe there have been hundreds/ thousands of years since s.o.s.p lived for him to be mythical figure .ninjas must have been living fairly peacefully.

I never want Naruto to end. =O