213 replies to this topic

[cmertb]

Can you guys find the IP of the bot MF uses and BAN it (and any other IP it might start coming from)? Anything you upload to Batoto gets ripped by MF in minutes.

[Grumpy]

Hm... gonna be annoying trying to isolate that IP from everyone else... Even if I actually did that, they can just get different IPs...

[Trebor]

The other thing is, (and I told cmertb this over IRC) they're probably pulling it off our RSS feeds, which we can't really do anything to stop.

[Sality]

their bot is startin' piss me off and they don't respect the scanlator's policy :/

[TheGodfather]

This is a problem.
It needs to be solved.
Let's do something about it.

[aayush251]

I can make a bot too ;3

[cmertb]

And what are you going to do with that bot?

[ryvrdrgn14]

How does that bot work exactly?

[Grumpy]

@ryvrdrgn14, can't say since we didn't make it. lol
TBH, we rn't even 100% sure if it's a bot. It could just be a person who's ripping...

[Laurens D]

Upload a fake chapter with 20 pages of this is leeched from batoto. and check mangafox's list.

if they use a bot, try to find there ip and create fake url of ... which only shows on .... ip ofcourse not to the fair people and of course it won't be added to database something like a dummy after that there website will get spammed with fake manga chapters and of course everyone can see how mangafox operate. ^^

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or you can try to upload a manga, with something hidden on it like a dot to batoto and of course the orginal's does not have that. if mangafox have the same dot, it's leeched if not... then they don't

Edited by Laurens D, 13 October 2011 - 08:33 PM.

[krytyk]

There are two ways of stopping the bot.

1. Splitting the image file into multiple small images of various sizes. (check the mangastream site - they did it that way.), people still rip off their releases, but it's done manually with print screen and mostly - paint since they are amateurs (the ripper kids i mean).
2. Using Javascript to protect the imagefiles. Javascript gives alot of possibilities. Original japanese publishers use javascript online readers to protect their images, quite succesfully - i have to add.

Edited by krytyk, 13 October 2011 - 10:37 PM.

[Trebor]

Javascript offers near zero protection. It might make it slightly harder for someone to rip, but it would be somewhat trivial to bypass any such protections.

[krytyk]

Javascript offers near zero protection. It might make it slightly harder for someone to rip, but it would be somewhat trivial to bypass any such protections.

Properly made javascript shouldn't have problems. If not, there're other languages to write it in, starting off flash ending on microsoft silverlight.

There's more ways to protect it, but some of them are crazy, and some of them require too much work.

Also, i don't expect much from mangafoxes bot designer. If we could investigate how does it work, it would be easy to kill it with frequent updates.

Edited by krytyk, 13 October 2011 - 10:48 PM.

[Trebor]

Print screen.

[krytyk]

I agree, print screen is a way you CANNOT stop. But it requires manual approach, and we're talking about a bot. One variable and it's screwed, like - different page size, or random size difference in layout would kill a bot that bases off print screens.

[Laurens D]

Good idea, encrypt all the image files and use javascript to load the image data and use a special javascript to decrypt and show it.

rightclick + save = useless
accessing the file directly is useless to
copy and paste will always work though, but it's freaking annoying

but could be pretty hard to make -.-

[ryvrdrgn14]

It's fine if they have to use massive manpower to manually rip off the releases. They will not be able to keep it up for long without paying more people. The problem with the bot is that it is free and effortless. If you can make it ineffective, they will definitely slow down and perhaps even fall behind because updating everything will actually require them to lift a finger.

In the meantime, since they are just ripping and putting them up, you can just encourage more participating scanlators to use watermarks and divert more traffic from MF/MH to Batoto. Think of it as free advertising.

Edited by ryvrdrgn14, 14 October 2011 - 02:35 AM.

[cmertb]

You can also upload a fake chapter, wait until it appears on Mangafox (it takes ~5 minutes), then put the right chapter on Batoto, and watch silly Mangafox leechers scream with indignation about how they just got trolled. Until someone manually fixes it.

[mhh]

You can also upload a fake chapter, wait until it appears on Mangafox (it takes ~5 minutes), then put the right chapter on Batoto, and watch silly Mangafox leechers scream with indignation about how they just got trolled. Until someone manually fixes it.

I guess that could work if a couple of groups work together in doing that. If it is just one or two the only thing they get will be funny looks.

[hados9]

I guess that could work if a couple of groups work together in doing that. If it is just one or two the only thing they get will be funny looks.

Or we could just completely make a fake new manga and see if they copy and if they do we know they are leeching ???