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[hero]

@thelast3321:

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isn´t ichigo friendly with zeri division? I mean the only reason that the captains now didn´t kill him is, because they like him, they think that his way is right and that he is loyal to soul society, so why would the zero devision attack him?

[thelast3321]

@hero

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The way that I see it or how kubo can make things happen in order to give zero division a reason to punish Ichigo and the gotei 13 is if we are told that there are three branches of power in soul society. There are the gotei 13 the captains and shinigami that enforce the laws, the central 46 who decide what the punishment is to those who break the laws and the king who probable makes the laws and has his personal body guards called zero division .

At this point in the manga it has been confirmed that the captain commander without talking to central 46 has broken the rules into giving Ichigo reiatsu (chapter 461). In this case the only power left that can enforce the law is zero division who at best only read a report about how much Ichigo has helped the gotei 13 but don’t actually know Ichigo since they were in another dimension with the king during the soul society arc and during the deicide arc. So in this case the zero division are within their rights to punish all of Ichigo’s soul reaper friends since they conveniently all decided to give their reiatsu to Ichigo. So in order words over half of Ichigo’s friends have broken the law and we all know how much Ichigo likes to fight people who are a threat to his family and friends. This is how I can see zero division being the next threat to Ichigo and his captain level friends

[hero]

@thelast3321: [spoiler] you have a point there, but if that really happens there won´t be any plot development, I mean with this arc he at least got his powers back and knows what the devise he got was meant for. if he really fights against zero division that wouldn´t reveal to us anything new and if it is true, what someone said that kubo wants to end this series in the next 2-3 arcs then I really don´t think that that would happen. the problem now is who is the next opponent (lets ignore zero division for a moment)?

[thelast3321]

Kubo already played his new race appearing card. I also can’t see Aizen making a physical appearance until the last arc. The only thing that I can come up with is that someone who Isshin captured will end up staging a prison break were the sealed Aizen is and we will have an excuse to see Isshin’s past and a threat worthy of Ichigo’s and his bankia friends time. But I don’t really belief that this will happen since this arc has shown zero foreshadowing of this occurring.

So at this moment it’s either zero division or some secrete organization appearing out of nowhere since the story of bleach has reach the point were the good guys are the most powerful organization in the world of bleach .

[ValorantX]

A pretty spot on prediction that you explained right there, though I find it ironic for that to happen because Ichigo's existence only helped serve the zero division's cause, though I don't know exactly how Ichigo and Aizen actually par up to them...

[thelast3321]

I don’t really think or from another perspective I don’t think that Ichigo existence serves the goals of zero division. Ichigo did do zero division a favor in defeating Aizen but everything else is leading to Ichigo robbing the king of his authority. The Gotei 13 has decided to side with Ichigo rather with the king’s rules (giving Ichigo clues that he was being used as well as failing to obey the plan of killing Ichigo when he brought out Ginjo and possible worse of all giving Ichigo reiatsu of the strongest shinigami in the Gotei 13) and apparently Ichigo changed how soul society has been molded by the kings rules for over a million years.

Again zero division is the only group that I can think of at this moment that Kubo has mention and can at least pose a threat to the gotei 13. Also this could give a good opportunity to show a new setting in the world of bleach which is the dimension of where the king lives.

[thelast3321]

The style that I decided to use when posting my thoughts is to write down what I liked and disliked and I must confess the first time reading this chapter I did not find anything that I liked since to me at the time I was caught off guard in that this chapter was nothing like I was expecting it to be. But reading it a few times I think that this chapter makes more sense if one see’s it in a different theme.

These are my thoughts and feelings after reading bleach chapter 478.

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I think that this chapter’s theme is suppose to be about closure or truth which seeing how the fullbringers have been acting all along then revealed to have been acting their acting it was starting to become confusing as to what was the truth and what was plain lies (I’ll explain). The first time that we see the Fullbringers they were a group of people who hated their power and wanted to get rid of it with the excepting of one bad apple (what they told to Ichigo). Then it was revealed that they were actually a bunch of power hungry people who wanted to have Ichigo’s power (what was said when the shinigami arrived). But it was then revealed that the fullbring actual goal was to punish the world for causing them misfortune (what was told to Rukia) and now finally we are told it this childish goal was actually Ginjo’s goal and the fullbringers followed him because he saved them in the past.

This is seen in this chapter. Yukio actually cares about his fellow fullbringers. Tsukishima is sad that Ginjo is death and not that he has lost potential power and Moe turns out to be the one that will help Tsukishima grow up. Giriko is seen as a respectable person seeing how he got a burial from Jackie and last but not least Riruka survives and ends up happy with real friends which will lead to the things that I disliked overall.

Ginjo was slash but Riruka was slash in a manner were the blade can actually be seen leaving the back of her body. I find it hard to belief that Riruka survives and Ginjo dies unless if I want to admit that Ichigo is the type of guy that lets his enemies slowly die. But what I truly disliked about this chapter is that it did not reveal to me what the plot is. For me the plot is suppose to be what the long term goal of the story is so that the readers will know what kind of ride they are in for and be capable of figuring out the pace of the story. Obviously seeing how Ichigo has obtained his powers and all known enemies have been dealt with I can’t say that the plot is about Ichigo protecting his friends. The only thing that this chapter is telling me is that we might see Ginjo’s back story but that should be the subplot to the unknown plot which kind of frustrates me since I feel like this makes bleach seem like a monster (villain) of the week kind of story (which feels like a step back since that was what bleach was at the very first chapter but at least we knew that the plot was Ichigo’s quest to protect people from hollows until Rukia’s power returns).

Overall I liked the characterization in that the fullbringers were not all immature strangers but rather friends who decided to follow their dear friend who became immature due to some event. That said I think that this chapter arrived to soon since I can’t see anything to look forward to except back story and nothing to do with what Ichigo (the protagonist) will have to do.

Edited by thelast3321, 27 December 2011 - 05:57 AM.

[Departure]

@thelast3321
I believe that Ginjou’s story was just a filler which only purpose was to explain a way which would help Ichigo gain his powers back

I don’t think deep thinking needs to go into it. I believe that once the story stays on track one should scatter their brains about to try and figure out what happens next, but for now, to me it’s just a filler arc introducing new characters, though I got to say that I can’t help, but to compare this arc to Renji’s story. Except that in his case, his story added some continuity to the overall of Bleach, unlike Ginjous’.

I really want Tite Kubo to focus in explaining some of the most important aspects of Bleach, like for example; I would like to see Kyouraku’s bankai at least once before Bleach ends XD. Seriously what’s so terrifying about his bankai. Why are others not allowed to see it.

[ValorantX]

More than that, it's kind of a mystery to me why not all of the captains didn't reveal their bankai against Aizen...... I mean when else is it appropriate to use it.
There's also plot holes like none of the Vizards actually wore their masks when fighting against Aizen either. -.-

[thelast3321]

I don’t really consider those to be plot holes since for me in order for it to be a plot hole there has to be a contradiction in a fact or a character’s actions that goes against their personality. An example would be how Isshin decided to take with him the kaikyo kotei (http://www.batoto.ne...by_sleepyfans/7 ) before he went into battle with Aizen. The reason why I see this as a plot hole is because there was no reason for him to take the kaikyo kotei since that tool is useless against his fight with Aizen and Isshine was not expecting Aizen to kill the cleaner (http://www.batoto.ne...by_mangarule/17).

For the captains I'm willing to belief that Kubo will eventually say why they did not use their bankia. Kind of how Kubo answered the question of why the Grand fisher did not immediately go after Ichigo when he got healed and became an arrancar in chapter 25 (http://www.batoto.ne...iyamas-world/18). The answer was that Aizen did not let him because he (Aizen) was staging all of Ichigo’s fights (I know this is probable not one of the most majestic answers but an answer it is).

But with the vizards I can understand why they did not use their masks since in chapter 376 we are told that the stronger the opponent the faster the time limit on the mask will run out and the individual will end up exhausted like how Mashiro’s time on her mask went from 15 hours to a few minutes. So the time limit on the masks when used on Aizen would of probable have been a few minutes or less before exhaustion kicks in.

Edited by thelast3321, 28 December 2011 - 07:28 PM.

[hero]

well at least this arc is now done. and we can move to a better one ... hopefully...

[Buttock Follicle]

*kills bleach hate*

I never got why people hated the lost shinigami representative arc... To me it was rather good :3 yukio and tsukishima are two of my fav characters, and now we're finally going to see more about isshin and kisuke riruka's defnitely going to be around as well

Edited by murasakii, 31 December 2011 - 03:47 AM.

[ValorantX]

The quality of Bleach chapters for the past year or more have dropped significantly..... I'm not sure what you're basing your judgment on.

[Buttock Follicle]

It depends how your define quality tbh. To me, it's like everyone else is expecting same old bleach which is kind of ridiculous to me, since as time passes so too does the mangaka changehow he does things. I wasn't trying to anticipate old bleach at all, I was trying to see how this arc would go. Apart from kubo taking it slightly too slow, this met my expectations as being something different. Which is what I wanted, so unlike most I am happy with how Bleach is atm

[thelast3321]

The break is over and once again here are my thoughts, opinions, ect on bleach chapter 479.

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I liked this chapter better than the last one since this time I did not have to force myself to look for something that I liked. It’s good to see that the Vizards are back and I am surprised in how it never occurred to me about how the Vizards could fill in the gap that was felt by Aizen, Gin and Tousen. The only question now is what happened to Love (the vizard) since he is a captain and the three empty positions have already been taken. That being said I like the new change to clothing but dislike Hirako’s hair cut. Seriously he looks like he came from a sword fight where he was barely able to dodge a slash to his forehead.

Anyway the major thing that I disliked was Riruka leaving since she grew on me and this makes what Akio_Ne mention a little true in my heart in that the lost shinigami arc is nothing more than a way to get Ichigo’s power back and everything else that happened will never be mention or affect what will happen in the future of bleach. At the moment the only thing that I can see that still has a connection to the lost shinigami arc and possible affect the future events of bleach is Ginjou’s corpse.

Overall the three week break is understandable to me since if the rumor is true then we are about to enter the arc that will last many years so Kubo has a lot to plan out and this chapter laid out the possibilities for people to make up theories. Like what Love is doing or if soifong arm is back or permanently gone (I can’t tell from the angle that she was drawn in but if Toshiro was able to get his arm back why not Soifong). As well as what will happen with Ginjou’s corpse. Although my solution to this problem is simple. Ichigo takes the physical body with him and leaves the spiritual corpse in soul society that way everyone gets what they want and honestly soul society should be the place where the corpses of souls should be in.

[gillian]

i want to see soul reaper powers with fulbring powers from ichigo

[Buttock Follicle]

Apart from shinigami noobs, a nice chapter *-*

And finally the arc name: Thousand-Year Blood War

This could just be me, but I think the "blood" part is the same as "trueblood" mentioned in reboot and repeat.

[hero]

ahh, now the author will have to tell us about Ichigo´s father...

[thelast3321]

I liked this chapter since it gave me what I wanted the most in bleach which is a plot that is actually worth the characters time. If soul society and the real world end up colliding then everything will be destroyed (plenty of motivation for everyone). That said I can’t help but feel like the new villains of this arc are the Quincys who perhaps succeeded in faking their entry into the endangered species list. In a sense this kind of works.

The Quincys are the only ones who are known for being capable of destroying both worlds by the use of mass hollow slaughtering (http://www.batoto.ne...riyamas-world/4). This would give an excuse to put Ishida’s father into the story and tell his back story and how he is related to Isshine. Also it explains why Ishida’s father has not abandoned his bow and why he told his son to have nothing to do with shinigami.

[hero]

I liked this chapter since it gave me what I wanted the most in bleach which is a plot that is actually worth the characters time. If soul society and the real world end up colliding then everything will be destroyed (plenty of motivation for everyone). That said I can’t help but feel like the new villains of this arc are the Quincys who perhaps succeeded in faking their entry into the endangered species list. In a sense this kind of works.

The Quincys are the only ones who are known for being capable of destroying both worlds by the use of mass hollow slaughtering (http://www.batoto.ne...riyamas-world/4). This would give an excuse to put Ishida’s father into the story and tell his back story and how he is related to Isshine. Also it explains why Ishida’s father has not abandoned his bow and why he told his son to have nothing to do with shinigami.

thats a good theory, but why would they want to destroy both worlds?