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[Wandering Rogue]

Companies are not perfect but allowed their tech to allow actual harm to be suffered by their players isn't a minor defect or crossed wire.  That is huge.  No way that gets through.  Only way it happens is illegal modifications.

 

Pain is not something people want for the most part.  That kind of thing is just asking for trouble.  

[Mors]

No there is no way at all a video game, virtual reality or not, would allow the players to feel actual pain. From both a business and a legal perspective it makes no sense at all. This is not SAO, and SAO was different because the game wasn't designed to be a game people played but a death game engineered by some crazy guy.

 

Also, whether you call it torturing or bullying or whatever, people aren't gonna just sit there and watch as you force them down and whittle away at their hp bar. It wouldn't create feelings of fear, just annoyance and they could just log out to avoid it.

[Crouching Bacon]

Companies are not perfect but allowed their tech to allow actual harm to be suffered by their players isn't a minor defect or crossed wire.  That is huge.  No way that gets through.  Only way it happens is illegal modifications.

 

Pain is not something people want for the most part.  That kind of thing is just asking for trouble.  

 

It is an illegal modification XD

And he is asking for pain. Hence the modification. but it's not lethal, maybe just something like toy shocks.

 

but yeah, well, i do get your point. i'll just make my post not refer to it too much then.

Edited by Captain Paper S., 28 August 2014 - 08:49 PM.

[Socrates]

Well this is going to be something that needs to be clarified by Jod nonetheless. My belief is pain needs to be implemented into the system for it to be realistic at all. Your senses all have limits to trigger pain s.t. you can stop an action that you are committing before you hurt yourself too much. Truthfully, it would make sense that there is a balance like maybe there exists pain, but it has a bound to it in the game. My understanding of the game was that it worked like a dream in fooling your senses.

 

However, it could be that we want Call of Duty mechanics instead of pain. In Call of Duty, the screen flashes red harder in the direction you are being shot. In a similar way, the world that you are viewing could flash red in your peripherals to announce to you, "Hey Buddy, I hurt right hear." My two cents

[Wandering Rogue]

There are ways to show damage without dumbing it down.  Create a tingling sensation.  That is enough.  If you lose a limb then create the sensation as if that limb is asleep in your mind.  If you get pierced create another sensation that draws the mind to the damage without causing them to feel pain.

[Officer Judy Hopps]

Yeap. Last thing I want is for poor Teysa to be subjected to that nonsense. :I

[Crouching Bacon]

Yeap. Last thing I want is for poor Teysa to be subjected to that nonsense. :I

 

XD

She doesn't have to. In fact, nobody has to have it. Why does everyone have to have it?

Only Henri wants the modification. And it's illegal.

 

And if a feature like that were implemented, wouldn't it be sensible for the developers to give it an on/off option?

[I-Am-X]

That's why it's called an illegal modification to begin with, no one has to like it nor have it. There's always going to be people to mess with a game with them.

[Officer Judy Hopps]

Fair enough, it's like an add on for the person who WANTS to feel pain? ._.

[I-Am-X]

Masochism and sadism knows no bounds.

[Johnny Paradise]

Illegal equipment is not necessary to cause people harm over the web.

 

For example, this conversation has caused me undue amounts of pain.

[I-Am-X]

Spoiler

Edited by I-Am-X, 28 August 2014 - 10:12 PM.

[SliceAndDice]

The whole debate is pretty dumb, in and of itself. It's a matter of semantics and word choice that's been blown far out of proportion and gone on so many tangents that it's really done nothing but consume OOC space. I'm sure jod will take a look at something if a concern is raised, which it certainly has been, so let's all screw our heads back on and let him and Vis do their jobs.

[I-Am-X]

Agreed slice.

 

If something doesn't seem right or is making people confused or something doesn't seem to make sense, then it's quite clear something is going on. Our characters are in no shape or form good Samaritans. That's been made quite obvious in our CSs

[Asor al ed Ergnas]

Sangre enjoys dancing.

 

As does Tensai.

 

We shall all dance.

[SliceAndDice]

Thou might dance if thou desire.
Thou might abandon thy compatriots beyond you.
For thine compatriots elect not to dance, and should they elect to not dance,
Then they be no acquaintances of mine.

[Orcraniil]

Alright, the only person left in our group to post is Itano.  

[Diabolical Rhapsody]

I got a question to the demon bros after reading the posts. What do you guys mean by torture...cause' like you guys realize it's a game right? No one feels pain.

Well NPCs apparently do. Cause that's the whole premise of getting information out of them through torture. At the end of the day, it is all a code but not all are coders and thus peeps will play or will like to play with situations like they do in real world i.e by threatening, flattery and other means.

 

Right, ignoring the fact that getting pain modifiers for a game is stupid as hell, it would only mean they could torture weirdos who enjoy pain, and not like...99.99% of the player base. 

It is just a annoyance to the other players. Not as a real physical torture. Tied down a place and have your health whittled and equipment looted leaves a bad taste in the mouth. You are bound to keep coming at the offender again and again under the pretense of vengeance and that is a cycle that a character who is evil or twisted will employ to have a steady supply of sheep.

 

SAO is the exact reason why that wouldn't be good.  That isn't what it was designed to do.  That was an abuse of the system.  Future models I believe made it impossible for that kind of thing to happen.  Jod might have a different ruling but going by logic I think that a smart company wouldn't let that happen.

 

Lowering someones health and making them lose time and exp doesn't induce fear.  It makes them annoyed.  Angry.  Pissed off.  That isn't torture.  Players that have that effect on other people get enemies.  They would call up their guilds and rotate shifts just to camp you.  Bounties placed on you.  Things of that nature.   Fear would not come into the equation unless you are like...messing with kids.  Which is wrong and you should feel bad.

That's why this is all still at a low level, hun. Bounties and other shenanigans take money (in game and RL), the fact that they are low level serves as a safety that real big fish won't get involved. Afterall, peeps are just like frogs in a pan of hot water. They delay things until they are seriously affected by it.

Plus, I mentioned in my post that my character has lost a few levels from the backlash, that's the risk of enjoying yourself I think. xD As for feeling bad for mistreating kids, I think they'll be playing as adults in the game and if they are big enough to wipe their backsides, they are big enough to wipe the dirt of the sidewalk. It's good to be bad.

 

As for the whole pain bit. I thought of LMS and Ark when I looked at Codex, so yeah there is pain involved but only to an annoyance level. The experiences you feel seem real in your head even if they aren't actually happening to you. I think that's the minimum level that this VMMO is attempting at.

 

As for any troubles that you have with posts, I guess Jod will need to clarify a few things to put this to rest. 

Edited by Diabolical Rhapsody, 29 August 2014 - 03:53 AM.

[SliceAndDice]

Please let the matter rest.

[Diabolical Rhapsody]

Please let the matter rest.

Why? it is better to straighten things out in OOC than bear grudges IC. If it's a problem that needs addressing, it should be addressed.