20 replies to this topic

[JackApostrophe]

Interesting feature of the latest chapter - Jee-Han's ability worked against him for what I think is the first time. Not only did a boss spawn but once the boss fight began he and Sun-Il lost the ability to escape - just like how you can't run away from boss fights in games.

 

So what other potential downsides might the Gamer ability possess?

Edited by JackApostrophe, 10 January 2014 - 08:48 PM.

[Olinser]

Interesting feature of the latest chapter - Jee-Han's ability worked against him for what I think is the first time. Not only did a boss spawn but once the boss fight began he and Sun-Il lost the ability to escape - just like how you can't run away from boss fights in games.

 

So what other potential downsides might the Gamer ability possess?

The possibility of dying to a normally non-lethal source.

 

For example. His teacher paddling him or whacking his hands with the ruler is not even remotely a threat to any normal person. Likewise with Sae-Young whacking him. As a gamer, if they hit him enough to reduce his HP to zero, he dies from it, regardless of how trivial the last hit was.

 

If he has 1 HP and trips and skins his elbow on the ground? He dies, despite a skinned elbow not being even remotely life-threatening.

Edited by Olinser, 10 January 2014 - 09:00 PM.

[JackApostrophe]

That's a good one.

 

Depending on how his inventory works he could conceivably run into problems. For example if he has a limited number of slots in his inventory, and each item takes up a single slot, then he could reach his limit by carrying a large number of small objects, even though the total weight/size of them wouldn't be a hindrance to an ordinary person. But then he can carry things as well as putting them in his inventory, so even then it wouldn't really matter.

[bkaa22]

This has already been addressed in the comic but learning incompatible skills could have detrimental effects. He does get a pop-up usually, but what if he accidentally accepts? Like pressing the wrong button in a game, picking the wrong option. It could happen.

 

Also the GAIA rule. He takes damage that normally breaks bones but shows no damage. What if in the normal world he gets hit by a car in public? He might lose half his health but would appear to be undamaged. Or if he is careless with his Inventory ability and someone sees him use it.

[JackApostrophe]

This has already been addressed in the comic but learning incompatible skills could have detrimental effects. He does get a pop-up usually, but what if he accidentally accepts? Like pressing the wrong button in a game, picking the wrong option. It could happen.

 

Also the GAIA rule. He takes damage that normally breaks bones but shows no damage. What if in the normal world he gets hit by a car in public? He might lose half his health but would appear to be undamaged. Or if he is careless with his Inventory ability and someone sees him use it.

 

Well in fairness the thing with learning incompatible skills isn't unique to him, since those limitations apply to other people as well.

[Newbeaveteran]

The possibility of dying to a normally non-lethal source.

 

For example. His teacher paddling him or whacking his hands with the ruler is not even remotely a threat to any normal person. Likewise with Sae-Young whacking him. As a gamer, if they hit him enough to reduce his HP to zero, he dies from it, regardless of how trivial the last hit was.

 

If he has 1 HP and trips and skins his elbow on the ground? He dies, despite a skinned elbow not being even remotely life-threatening.

OR.....in mmorpg games normally people dying doesn't mean he dies but gets resurrected in his spawn(home or his bed) losing some experience which is a very common thing in games, so Think about it like this if a dangerous thing happens and he dies. He would then get revived losing items, gold, experience and some stuff you usually lose when you die in game. Considering what i said The Gamer Ability might not have a downside for life-threatening if the author adds it but the only problem is would the respawn work on him only? or would it work also with his party members?

 

Edit: also it some other games the higher level you have the longer it takes for you to respawn and probably a level around 90 would probably respawn in a month or more?

Edited by Newbeaveteran, 11 January 2014 - 12:16 AM.

[Verne Jules]

1. He enters dungeons (Illusion Barriers) without his consent.

2. Too many pop-ups at a time could distract him in fights (applies in some games as well).

3. Difficulty in controlling his strength - Normally one can control his/her body's strength, however, in his case as he masters his passive skills then the damage he inflicts would also be passive. What if he tries to punch a normal person? Even if he holds back, his base damage wouldn't change (like punch base damage = 50 and held-back punch base damage still 50 unless he learns a skill like "held-back punch").

4. Triggering undesired events (like the appearance of the Legion Zombie).

5. Combination of game varieties. Currently, we see "The Gamer" ability as that of an RPG. However, that doesn't necessarily mean it would only/always apply to that. It's possible that other kinds of games would also apply to his ability (he mentioned a lot before about martial arts games). What if some other games such as Eroge apply to him? Sounds like a benefit, right? But what about its bad ends? You could get killed by a game's story progression no matter how strong you are. And if story progression does apply in his ability, then events will unfold in front of him whether or not he does anything.

6. Lag, bugs, disconnection, patches - I know they're technically outside the game, but what if those actually apply as well?

[Agonal]

PE class will never be the same again.

[Jonnylove]

If Jee-Han is hit by an injury that would normally maim one, he only loses HP.

 

Suppose the same happens to his enemies. Normally, no matter how strong something is, a big hole in the heart kills it. But in a game, even critical hits are one offs unless your level is much higher. He could give a guy what should normally be a fatal injury, but the guy only lose 80 HP, because even with "critical hit", -80 HP is the maximum damage his spearthrust  can do, or something like that.

[vipa567]

That's a good one.

 

Depending on how his inventory works he could conceivably run into problems. For example if he has a limited number of slots in his inventory, and each item takes up a single slot, then he could reach his limit by carrying a large number of small objects, even though the total weight/size of them wouldn't be a hindrance to an ordinary person. But then he can carry things as well as putting them in his inventory, so even then it wouldn't really matter.

 

His inventory would probably increase with strength and he could leave things at home 

[freakyguy]

The possibility of dying to a normally non-lethal source.

 

For example. His teacher paddling him or whacking his hands with the ruler is not even remotely a threat to any normal person. Likewise with Sae-Young whacking him. As a gamer, if they hit him enough to reduce his HP to zero, he dies from it, regardless of how trivial the last hit was.

 

If he has 1 HP and trips and skins his elbow on the ground? He dies, despite a skinned elbow not being even remotely life-threatening.

We don't know that yet since the author as not talked about it yet. He could simply revive at home(spawning/reviving point) after all there are many games where there is "auto save" in game and if you die you either end up being revived at that point or at spawning/reviving point. At the same time he will probably end up having high enough dex. to not even feel that pain and have no reduction in HP.

1. He enters dungeons (Illusion Barriers) without his consent.

2. Too many pop-ups at a time could distract him in fights (applies in some games as well).

3. Difficulty in controlling his strength - Normally one can control his/her body's strength, however, in his case as he masters his passive skills then the damage he inflicts would also be passive. What if he tries to punch a normal person? Even if he holds back, his base damage wouldn't change (like punch base damage = 50 and held-back punch base damage still 50 unless he learns a skill like "held-back punch").

4. Triggering undesired events (like the appearance of the Legion Zombie).

5. Combination of game varieties. Currently, we see "The Gamer" ability as that of an RPG. However, that doesn't necessarily mean it would only/always apply to that. It's possible that other kinds of games would also apply to his ability (he mentioned a lot before about martial arts games). What if some other games such as Eroge apply to him? Sounds like a benefit, right? But what about its bad ends? You could get killed by a game's story progression no matter how strong you are. And if story progression does apply in his ability, then events will unfold in front of him whether or not he does anything.

6. Lag, bugs, disconnection, patches - I know they're technically outside the game, but what if those actually apply as well?

I dont think number 6 will apply to him since he not connected to any server of some sort. Number 1. It could be possible since he can not control or does not know how to control these things. There are games where you can choose to "stay away" from dungeons by knowing where they are or have appeared. number 2. maybe in future when he has learned enough about his ability he can "disable" these popups, after all, almost all games have popups to guide you and majority of them can be "disabled". number 3. We are talking about real life game, so I would say he can probably control his strength like how in earlier chapter when he was fighting a zombie and rushed and used a skill which did more damage which MC later pointed out that it could have been due to the "momentum" but than again we still have that that fixed strength(tricky). Number 4 since Gaia herself is on his side, I dont think she will throw him in such a situation where he might be in danger of dying(?). Like like all this discussions 

Edited by freakyguy, 11 January 2014 - 07:19 PM.

[bkaa22]

Well in fairness the thing with learning incompatible skills isn't unique to him, since those limitations apply to other people as well.

 

 

True. But when playing games we've all clicked on the wrong option, attacked the wrong person, hit the wrong button numerous times. There is a possibility that he could pick a detrimental skill if he's not paying attention.

[Ninjacat Dude]

I think the biggest downside to the gamer ability is the limitations that could come to play. (hehe)

For example his skills don't always go up unless he's in battle. Of course there is always benifite

from training, but certain skills can only be developed while his life is in danger.

[Comerz88]

wy not somtihng lick he needs a equal woman Becaus he has to mutsh str and kils her ( not pruposle

)

Edited by Comerz88, 20 January 2014 - 09:19 PM.

[fistsofrage]

He has to say his skills out loud in order to use them. This could potentially be a huge weakness.

[Olinser]

He has to say his skills out loud in order to use them. This could potentially be a huge weakness.

 

I wonder if he can 'change hotkeys', so to speak.

 

That is, rather than have everything voice activated, change some skills to be activated by specific gestures/actions. i.e. for Spiral Energy Bolt, since it's practically a Kamehameha anyway, have it trigger off him holding his hands just like Goku.

Edited by Olinser, 21 January 2014 - 02:48 AM.

[fistsofrage]

I wonder if he can 'change hotkeys', so to speak.
 
That is, rather than have everything voice activated, change some skills to be activated by specific gestures/actions. i.e. for Spiral Energy Bolt, since it's practically a Kamehameha anyway, have it trigger off him holding his hands just like Goku.

He created the spiral energy bolt by relying on his ability to instinctively emit mana so he's not totally helpless, but it really does seem like his gamer ability is completely voice activated. If he could open his inventory or skill list with a gesture, it would indeed be really convenient.

[songthatneverends]

but it really does seem like his gamer ability is completely voice activated. If he could open his inventory or skill list with a gesture, it would indeed be really convenient.

 

If only he had the silent casting feat, he'd be set.

Edited by songthatneverends, 21 January 2014 - 04:16 AM.

[JackApostrophe]

I've said this before but just because he always vocalises his commands doesn't mean that's actually a requirement.

[Purple Library Guy]

Long as nobody else is mentioning it, I'll go with the obvious one:

Relative to normals, one downside is he could find himself in an Instant Dungeon with badass enemies in it and get killed.