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His mom is the final boss


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I looked at chapter 1 again and from the way his mother asked him to buy tofu it looks like she knows about his ability. It looks like she didn't tell him to go buy tofu loud enough for him to hear her the first time but expects him to know what he needs to buy or at least isn't surprised that he knows she wants him to buy tofu. It's a weird interaction that caught my eye the first time but it could be a translation error or something so I don't know. Also looking at chapter 9 you can tell by his mothers reaction that she at least knows about sun il being an ability user.


Edited by Zortez, 09 December 2013 - 09:08 PM.


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I just thought I'd drop by to give my two cents.

 

My personal theory at this point is that since a|) the only other person with ??? marks above their heads are those with insanely high levels (presumably -- see Chunbumoon clan leader, i.e., elderly grandpa guy giving him skill books) and also b|) other individuals with ??? levels so far seem to still have visible titles, except for his mother... a possible, rather simple step next would be that his mother's title/ability/rank/purpose is sensitive and would give away her power level also. Now, there's nothing so far saying either way, really, but considering he has quite possible the strongest ability in the world, at least according to the Chunbumoon fellows, is it not fairly logical to assume that his mother is quite potentially Gaia itself/herself? That pretty much explains all of it in one fell swoop -- why he has such a ridiculously OP ability, why his mother's "purpose/rank/affiliation" is hidden as well as her level.

 

Gaia is often portrayed as some kind of mother, after all. Maybe 'she' picked a favourite kid for once, who knows?


Edited by vexx32, 14 December 2013 - 01:07 PM.


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One thing is clear - she is protecting him as long as he is inside the house. Other way he would get trapped behind some Illusion Barriers, and suddenly open a door to find a large hall full of monsters or zombies behind it. Yet he even pointed it out "I run into zombies again, I should have stayed at home". Maybe concealing her name and level is also meant to directly protect him. Same as mafia members or secret agents would conceal their clan name and rank, since just knowing it and acidentally blabbering about it may cost lives...

Other than that, can he really use "observe" on her? Was that skill not meant for objects and monsters? He did not use it to determine levels or skills of people yet? On the other hand, is there no skill (or item) giving him some in depth info on ability users? He gets to see the HP and MP of monsters, but not of other people or ability users...
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One thing is clear - she is protecting him as long as he is inside the house. Other way he would get trapped behind some Illusion Barriers, and suddenly open a door to find a large hall full of monsters or zombies behind it. Yet he even pointed it out "I run into zombies again, I should have stayed at home". Maybe concealing her name and level is also meant to directly protect him. Same as mafia members or secret agents would conceal their clan name and rank, since just knowing it and acidentally blabbering about it may cost lives...

Other than that, can he really use "observe" on her? Was that skill not meant for objects and monsters? He did not use it to determine levels or skills of people yet? On the other hand, is there no skill (or item) giving him some in depth info on ability users? He gets to see the HP and MP of monsters, but not of other people or ability users...

In a lot of games I've played, monsters often won't show their HP bar until you start attacking them (or are directly attacked yourself)... so unless he sees someone as an enemy and starts a fight, he probably won't see the HP bar.



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Observe is very low level right now. If he can't even surmise her level or title, I doubt his observe ability will work. In Ch 15, he is apprehensive when it comes to his parents. He already suspects his mom and dad are hiding something. He is afraid to bring it up. Since they are his parents, I believe he will maintain this course until his hand is forced or they tell him. The weird thing isn't her level being hidden, since that also occurs with the elder of chunbomoon. It should indicate she is much too powerful for him to analyze. Everyone so far, even the elder have had their titles revealed, his mom is the only one with a hidden title. Not only is it ???, it is also enclosed in brackets, possibly making it even more special. The maximum level might be 99. Due to the fact that the author chose ?? instead of a single ? for unknown levels. This would indicate it is 2 digits. This can, of course, be interpreted as merely a style rather than a hint.



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In a lot of games I've played, monsters often won't show their HP bar until you start attacking them (or are directly attacked yourself)... so unless he sees someone as an enemy and starts a fight, he probably won't see the HP bar.

If she would be a monster it would be rather logical to attack him as long as he is weak, and not wait until he gets stronger. She seems to be perfectly aware of his level and abilities. His parents likely have some hidden (more or less sinister) agenda, but do not appear to be disguised monsters. She protects him so far and seems to be in direct (friendly) contact with the Chunbumoon.

It would not make sense for Gaia to hide the HP of a monster out to get the main hero, after he already has that ultra-rare Shinin status, and it would not make sense for a monster to be smart enough to disguise its own level and name, yet dumb enough to not attack the target while he's still weak and vulnerable.

This story does not seem to be another flashy effects only nonsense, with explosions or hidden monsters in every chapter, no matter if they make sense or not. Rather it seems to be high level stuff with a well written background story.

His parents may turn out pretty monstrous in the end, even become his enemies one day, but the mother at least seems so far to be on his side, and protect him from sudden monster and zombie attacks.
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It looks kinda open ended for who his mom really is. Didn't Aeris from FF7 eventually become Gaia for no real explainable reason?



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guys... His mother is Gaea.



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guys... His mother is Gaea.

 

Normal people that appeared so far have low levels compared with the hability users. The highest one was his teacher that is only lv 15! Beside users are constantly leveling up! ( http://the-gamer.wikia.com/wiki/Characters )

 

I just don't think that someone would be Gaea. Doesn't make sense. But his mother definitily have a special power and is high level. We have to wait to see...

 

Don't forget that he have a mysterious father too!



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If she would be a monster it would be rather logical to attack him as long as he is weak, and not wait until he gets stronger. She seems to be perfectly aware of his level and abilities. His parents likely have some hidden (more or less sinister) agenda, but do not appear to be disguised monsters. She protects him so far and seems to be in direct (friendly) contact with the Chunbumoon.

It would not make sense for Gaia to hide the HP of a monster out to get the main hero, after he already has that ultra-rare Shinin status, and it would not make sense for a monster to be smart enough to disguise its own level and name, yet dumb enough to not attack the target while he's still weak and vulnerable.

This story does not seem to be another flashy effects only nonsense, with explosions or hidden monsters in every chapter, no matter if they make sense or not. Rather it seems to be high level stuff with a well written background story.

His parents may turn out pretty monstrous in the end, even become his enemies one day, but the mother at least seems so far to be on his side, and protect him from sudden monster and zombie attacks.

 

On the contrary, it actually makes it MORE likely that she's letting him get stronger before attacking. (I don't think so personally, but let's assume that she is out to get him).

 

If she's ??, then it's been previously demonstrated that she is AT LEAST 42 levels higher than Jee-Han (he saw Black Summoner at level 46 when he was only level 4). Which means she is currently an absolute minimum level 59 - strong enough that she should be able to 1 shot him with ease.

 

But why should she?  If his mother is one of the 'Existence Eaters' previously mentioned by the Black Summoner, it is quite possible and logical that the more powerful the entity she consumes, the greater her own power gain.

 

So she's waiting him to get stronger before striking, so she gets more powerful from consuming him. If she's around level 70, he could easily gain another 20-30 levels and still be no real threat to her.


Edited by Olinser, 22 January 2014 - 02:40 PM.


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I would really like to know where some people have gotten the idea that his own mother is out to get him?

 

I mean its not like you can one day tell your kids oh by the way your mum has super powers and is part of a world society of people with abilities/powers, oh and some of them go round breaking the laws of mere humans and like killing people so have a good day at school sweetie lol.



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Right now there are really only 3 explanations for the title being ???'d out.

 

1) The mother has an ability that blocks other abilities - which would make sense if, as other people have guessed, the mother is one of the 'Existence Eaters' mentioned earlier by Sung-Gon.

 

2) His ability is actively concealing the knowledge from him for whatever reason. Allegedly Shinin class abilites are assisted by Gaia. Ergo, Gaia has determined that he doesn't need to know about his mother.... yet.

 

3) His mother is considered a neutral or non-friendly entity. Frequently in games, even if you don't have the level or skills to see information about high-level monsters or enemies, you can still see some amount of information about friendly entities of the same level. I.e., since Gramps is a member of a faction he is currently friendly with (Chunbumoon), he can see his title and possibly other information, but not his level. While if Gramps were an enemy, he may not be able to see anything about him at all. If that is the case, he may be able to obtain more information on his mother simply by using 'Observe' on her.

Agree with you about this. I would go for first or second explanation about his mother. More likely one combination of both if she really want to conceal her abilities to other people, including his own son since title is hidden too.

Maybe she can be one entity and therefore he cannot determine because he only know humans. She can be one elf or other kind of specie since there is ??? in title too.

In a lot of games I've played, monsters often won't show their HP bar until you start attacking them (or are directly attacked yourself)... so unless he sees someone as an enemy and starts a fight, he probably won't see the HP bar.

Various games show HP and numbers like Final Fantasy and you can get to know weakness, resistance and other infos with use of Observe/Scout or whatever name you use but the skill is same, while others show only HP until you use Observe, to discover the numbers of HP, MP, weakness, resistance and other infos. And there are some games where you don't get to know numbers, HP and other infos until you get to check in bestiary book like in Castlevania.


Edited by God-Emperor, 23 January 2014 - 01:51 AM.


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This is just my thoughts on it.

1) His mother is a VERY high level (85+, if we assume 99 is max) and somehow related to Chunbumoon. His father that is "on a business trip in America*" is possibly related to Yunhonmoon (as Jee-Han is capable of using both Chunbumoon and Yunhonmoon skills without problem).

2) I think that his mother is aware he's a Natural Ability User but isn't sure what it is, though she possibly have her thoughts that it's a gaming-related one.

3) His mother is possibly aware that he's been fighting in illusion barriers but decides to keep her mouth shut in order to not to worry him.

4) Both his parents are possibly natural or acquired ability users but decided to keep their mouths shut in order to let him live a normal life.

 

*: In the first chapter, he asks about his father and is told "he's going to eat out". Some time later, he's all of a sudden on a business trip in America. I'm... Quite confused about that, unless he headed TO America in the first chapter. If so, I have no complaints about it!

 

Again, that's just what I think. I'm not saying I'm right on ANYTHING (except possibly the first one - his mother's level, that is), it's just a couple of thoughts I have.



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I would really like to know where some people have gotten the idea that his own mother is out to get him?

 

I mean its not like you can one day tell your kids oh by the way your mum has super powers and is part of a world society of people with abilities/powers, oh and some of them go round breaking the laws of mere humans and like killing people so have a good day at school sweetie lol.

Yay someone with a common sense.  Why would the mother be evil or monster just because  she has ?.  Its exactly like how people in OP started saying Sabo would be bad or Law did something to Luffy's heart.  I just see the mother hiding something and probably wants a normal life for her son.  I am curious as to if she knows that he has power or not.  She might know it and chose to ignore it and interestingly she let the gramp train him.  I think there is a connection there.  She might want him to become strong but at the same time not reveal too many things.



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I guess chapter 35 shows that his mom cant be the final boss



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the gamer is a personal specific ability unique to him alone. so on that note, enough with all the rubbish that is 'mom is an npc' or 'mom is final boss'

 

give the author enough time to build the story properly and flesh things out. while his mother may have known he has an ability she likely didnt know what it was any sooner than he did, or to be frank any sooner than the old guy from chunbomoon did as i assume he has talked with her about it.

 

the abyss guy met him because of some one he knows, i assume that was his mother and/or possibly the old man though more likely his mother/father (who we have yet to know ANYTHING about)

 

it just seems to me the family has natural ability users run in the bloodline.

 

unless of course the story goes on to say that his mother didnt give birth to him and that gaia itself just created him from nothing then granted him a near godlike ability, which would simply be terrible story writing and should shame the author forever if used.

 

going on normal simple logic, the ??? applies to either those whose power is faaar too high for jee han to allowed knowledge of, or it is applied to those who have a kind of power that even gaia itself cannot quantify to a specific measurement, for example immortals, dieties etc tend to fall outside the realms of natural limitation (2 of the same being can be nearly identical and yet worlds apart from each other)

 

i dont post comments to criticize or insult anyone. but there is a certain level or common sense, experience and intelligence that needs to be used when 'analyzing' something especially when your trying to make a judgement about an MC's family or closest relatives before being given ANY information at all. common sense varies per situation so cannot be applied here, experience is thus applied on the basis of similar themed stories and similar plots with their individual twists as chosen by their respective authors, this takes a lot of reading in various genre's and fields and can only give rough estimates of possibilities. as for intelligence, the individual making the comment needs to have enough brains to first judge whether what they post is a possibility or probability as compared to the craziest outfield idea they can come up with for a response. if you feel like it could happen follow it up with why you feel that way and what 1 thing provided (even if its a silly tiny little detail like a persons level and title not being displayed, or something minor chances that always was the same) supports it, otherwise you say something that is just plain ridiculous that will only get the return response of 'do you use your head at all?' popping up in the heads of each person who reads your post.

 

just for sake of saying it again, jee han is the only one to whom the gamer ability specifically affects, although through the party feature and possibly future new features he can involve others to a certain degree. to even consider his mother of being an npc is to suddenly assume that the entire world and gaia revolves around jee han alone and runs for his sake, it also begs to differ whether you even consider jee han himself (the 'npcs' son!) to be human or just another slave to his ability, in which case might as well not read it anymore as it's likely not going to get all that more enjoyable to read. yes i understand the way i phrase this post makes me sound like an ass, but i only tolerate the average level of idiocy/randomness and not much more. people are born with brains able to reason, and to see them not even attempt it is something i have been raised to consider offensive. sorry