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[Ja Wangnan]

And so Aoi and Kanzaki are able to use Beel's power as a contractor with no training whatsoever, rendering all the training Oga went through meaningless? WHAT. THE. F***.

 

Well I mean I doubt they can use all the spells Oga has learned.

 

Rather they'll just have a massive demon power boost from Beel, considering how he's the source of their emblems to begin with.

 

Plus Beel has been growing up these past 200 chapters, I'm sure he knows a thing or two about transferring powers exceptionally.

 

So yeah, to me, I think the reason they're so powerful is because Beel, who's grown up so much now, knew how to transfer his powers to others well enough where they can utilize Beel's power similar/as powerful as Oga. BUT they can't use any of Oga's spells, and may be a tad less able to utilize all of Beel's powers.

[evil6961]

Personally I think Oga will as zen said " sell his soul" to beat Takamiya and then have to go save the human world by saving the demon world and making a deal with bezzle's father.  I do like the idea of Furuichi saving Oga, because I think he as a character is  under powered and Behemoth accuacly took interest in him when Oga and Furuichi fought, but if all else fails I just want a badass fight. 

[Jannic]

Oda vs. Takamiya - Himekawa Wins.

[MrAnarchist]

Himekawa was the third :'-( for once I was hoping it was Natsumi. Furthermore, it looks like Oga and Fuji aren't gonna team up

Edited by MrAnarchist, 22 August 2013 - 03:46 PM.

[jrusse18]

Now a lot of us love Oga, including me. But I honestly think he owns a little bit "too" much.

 

And to be honest, I'm sure Oga will probably win his fight against Takamiya, flying him 7 and a half circuits around Earth. Even if it seems bleak for Oga.

 

But honestly, and I'm probably in the minority on this, I really would rather have Takamiya beat Oga. Using pure logic, Oga is going against someone who's had more experience than him. And this isn't a matter of standing on a certain pedestal that ignores experience anymore (Ex. Oga and Nasu).

 

Takamiya has the freaking Lucifer on his side. So any way you see it, Takamiya should win.

 

Oga has won too much, and whenever he loses (which was like, what, once or twice?), it doesn't feel "genuine." If Takamiya beats Oga in a fair fight, I think that would be a little relieving, proving Oga is still a human being and that he could still be legitimately challenged in the future of Beelzebub.

 

And seeing as how Takamiya hasn't used any of his specific spells against Oga yet, I really hope he pulls a "Now I'll use a real spell" and overwhelm Oga. But of course, knowing Oga, he'll find some kind of way to overpower that.

 

Obviously: Oga wins

Logically: Takamiya wins

 

Nasu wasn't the guy to do that, but Takamiya is on a comparable and potentially better level than Oga.

Honestly, i'm still mad he beat Tojou

[MrAnarchist]

Honestly, i'm still mad he beat Tojou

Who? Himekawa? Where in that lengthy post did Ja Wangnan mention Himekawa?

[jrusse18]

Who? Himekawa? Where in that lengthy post did Ja Wangnan mention Himekawa?

I was actually talking about when Oga beat him, but he didn't mention Himekawa anywhere I was just saying it was a similar situation. Oga was completely outmatched but somehow still crazily won

[MrAnarchist]

I was actually talking about when Oga beat him, but he didn't mention Himekawa anywhere I was just saying it was a similar situation. Oga was completely outmatched but somehow still crazily won

Wait...beat Tojou as in BEFORE chapter 100? Dude, get over it. That's WAY over now

[jrusse18]

Wait...beat Tojou as in BEFORE chapter 100? Dude, get over it. That's WAY over now

actually, before chapter 30 and NO!!!! i'll never get over it Tojou should have never lost before demon powered people showed up. If he loses now I don't care because he's crazy enough to keep fighting these people without using any kind of powers.

[subliminal]

actually, before chapter 30 and NO!!!! i'll never get over it Tojou should have never lost before demon powered people showed up. If he loses now I don't care because he's crazy enough to keep fighting these people without using any kind of powers.

yeah but since he now bears a seal and can exploit demonic strength (if i'm honest I thought Jabberwock or someone from the 34th pillar would contract him) doesn't that mean TAMURA Ryuuhei has finally accepted that no matter how much of a cheat character he is he still needs a demonic power up to remain a viable character

[jrusse18]

yeah but since he now bears a seal and can exploit demonic strength (if i'm honest I thought Jabberwock or someone from the 34th pillar would contract him) doesn't that mean TAMURA Ryuuhei has finally accepted that no matter how much of a cheat character he is he still needs a demonic power up to remain a viable character

That's true but he had learned how to use some techniques to combat demons but you know he's crazy and wouldn't always use so the seal would probably be the only guarantee that he'd actually use some power and not be that character who keeps getting beat to make people look more badass.

[MrAnarchist]

That's true but he had learned how to use some techniques to combat demons but you know he's crazy and wouldn't always use so the seal would probably be the only guarantee that he'd actually use some power and not be that character who keeps getting beat to make people look more badass.

That, my dear reader, is the Worf Effect. Look it up

[jrusse18]

That, my dear reader, is the Worf Effect. Look it up

I never knew it had a name, thanks.

[Spartan-208]

That, my dear reader, is the Worf Effect. Look it up

The Worf Effect? [Google's it] Wow the more you know

[MrAnarchist]

The Worf Effect? [Google's it] Wow the more you know

I'm such a Trekkie

[MrAnarchist]

I have a feglng Beel's mom is involved with the Solomon Company

[Ja Wangnan]

In the end, Oga basically beat Takamiya. Not even at 100% either (as in, with his new transformation). Then again, we add the factor Takamiya did not use any demonic powers in their last bout, but it's still somewhat obvious Oga would probably still win anyway (it was still a massive shocker to see Takamiya stand back up like a badass after the series' biggest burial punch).

 

Also, even after the fight, it was proven there was still fight left in Takamiya, as he miraculously channeled excessive Demonic Power.

 

So add in the little minor factors that don't really matter, it actually adds up to quite a fuss:

Takamiya

- fought and beat Furuichi

- fought and beat several Pillar Captains

- clashed with a full powered Oga and obviously wasn't trying as much as the latter

- clashed by surprise by a very powerful Tojo

- second bout against Oga, and still obviously not trying as much as him

- wasted massive amounts of his Demonic Power by giving it to almost 300 total men

- was easily overwhelmed and beat down by a newly transformed Oga

- as Oga lost his powers, used quite the load of his powers against Oga

- as Oga regained his powers, he gave Takamiya the biggest beating ever + the biggest burial punch in the past 200+ chapters

- stands up still, and gets into the most epic fist-fight-fest in the series until he supposedly loses consciousness

- stands up once again later, and literally gets fatally stabbed in the back

 

All that up there in simultaneous fashion but in the end, after all of this, he still channels a lot of Demonic Power; and he was still conscious in the end.

 

Like I said, if you talk about all the little details Takamiya got the short end of the stick with throughout this whole thing, it isn't even a big deal. But you add up all these little handicaps and that's when Takamiya's feats seem really impressive.

 

Add in the fact that after the near death experience, fight with Oga, and friendship with Lucifer, it's bound that Takamiya may have possibly gotten exponentially stronger than he already is.

 

So with that:

If Oga at 100% (this means including his new overpowered form)

and

Takamiya at 100% (actually using ALL that he's got this time unlike what's happened)

battle it out in a fight where all the little flaws Takamiya's side had suffered here did NOT exist (1v1 all the way through, at full power all the way through, nonstop fighting till ALL stamina is gone)

who would win?

Edited by Ja Wangnan, 22 October 2013 - 05:50 AM.

[MrAnarchist]

If Oga at 100% (this means including his new overpowered form)
and
Takamiya at 100% (actually using ALL that he's got this time unlike what's happened)
battle it out in a fight where all the little flaws Takamiya's side had suffered here did NOT exist (1v1 all the way through, at full power all the way through, nonstop fighting till ALL stamina is gone)
who would win?

Oga, for two reasons:
1) Oga is the main character and very rarely has he COMPLETELY lost (if memory serves me right it's been only two or three times)
2) Lucifer has been wounded, depending on how quickly she recovers determines the output of power.

Overall, the real reason is because Oga is the main character and in any kind of medium, the main character loses solely (for the most part) to progress development of the character and perhaps the plot. Also, your wall of text made good points, though I feel as though it could be shorter

Edited by MrAnarchist, 22 October 2013 - 06:37 AM.

[Ja Wangnan]

Oga, for two reasons:
1) Oga is the main character and very rarely has he COMPLETELY lost (if memory serves me right it's been only two or three times)
2) Lucifer has been wounded, depending on how quickly she recovers determines the output of power.

Overall, the real reason is because Oga is the main character and in any kind of medium, the main character loses solely (for the most part) to progress development of the character and perhaps the plot. Also, your wall of text made good points, though I feel as though it could be shorter

 

What I meant by 100% is Takamiya on all grounds at 100%, meaning there is a "what if Lucifer is also at full power" standard as well

 

For the big reason in which Oga is the main character, I always exclude that factor for any main character in any series because that doesn't correlate to power, y'know? I understand he would win simply because that is how plot works, but from just the standpoint of power etc who would win.

 

Regardless, I agree Oga would still probably win. Sure, Takamiya's had a bundle of down-sides on his side, but even if all those bad factors were gone, I don't believe that is enough to outweigh Oga's new incredibly overpowered form.

 

I'm done discussing who would win between the two then. Because now, or in the future, it's all about new topics like "Who would win, Oga AND Takamiya vs. ???"

Edited by Ja Wangnan, 02 November 2013 - 09:05 PM.

[veraya]

Oga ^^