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[SoulCool]

In the life of a proper woman it's all about fanservice after all, so:



But since we are all about equal rights and whatnot, now let's remind Currygom to also "improve" ALL male characters to look exactly like Barbie's Ken OR like Superman. Such "unmanly" pseudo-guys like Visnu, Gandharva, Yuta, Kaz, Rao or Clophe are from now on BANNED ^^ Mainstream and conformity is all that counts after all =_= Drawing the best and most unique Webtoon is probably a strain on Currygom, and so let's "enhance" and "improve" everyone into what looks like a spin-off of some shabby 50cent cartoon anyone can buy around the corner...

..I got so ironic out of sheer bitterness.. *sigh*

I hope at least Currygom can see the point. She is such a genius, and created such a unique masterpiece... *siiiiiigh*

Was this in response to me? Because i said nothing of the sort at all and find it pretty incredibly offensive that you would think that of what I said after reading my post in this thread.

[Mizura]

lol, calm down everyone. Remember that it's what's inside that counts. xD
Currygom draws good-looking guys And girls. The difference is that she doesn't use it as an excuse to neglect their personalities (like in many fantasy stories).

Take Agni for example. He's the ultimate hot stud. But he isn't a brainless muscle-mass who does nothing but kill stuff all the time and makes harems for himself. Instead he is kind, considerate and patient. <3

Edited by Mizura, 02 March 2013 - 04:24 AM.

[smthFishy]

@ Goobera - I'll retract my original post.

Judge not so ye shall not be judged. <chagrin>

Do your best not to let the demons get the better of you. You'll never win if you pit your demons against other people's demons. I hope it has not gone to that stage... you definitely need to seek out a support group. With your hectic working schedule, it might be easier said than done though. We're all buncho of weirdos here, but exposed to different degrees of wind and darkness. Some have it worse than others.

You definitely need to start a gratitude journal and keep things that you're thankful for. You'll need to accumulate positive experiences. Otherwise, you'll start to detect malice in just about everything. Which is true. I hope you'll not ever have to get to that point.

Like Asha said, God can be quite unfair.

Edited by tumbleweed, 02 March 2013 - 03:43 PM.

[Goobera]

Was this in response to me? Because i said nothing of the sort at all and find it pretty incredibly offensive that you would think that of what I said after reading my post in this thread.

Sorry, of course this was NOT in response to YOU I was just bitter in general because everyone keeps saying how "hot" the new Leez is, and I felt so depressed...

I moved the rest into spoiler tags, because it is way way too long and way way too angry =_=;;

Spoiler

The point is as such (I mean this generally, not as an answer to anyone in particular): WHY do you think do I hang out in manga forums? Obviously because I do NOT fit into the sh*tty mainstream, and could not make it in the so called "real life"

I am here exactly because I do NOT enjoy mainstream stuff like Barbie and Ken.. If I did I would not hang out here, but be preoccupied with "beauty surgery" and dieting, and getting "the proper husband" and so on And everyone would "fawn" over my sh*tty self and my fake "lifestyle" I would rake in a ton of money, get some high flying education, and laugh about "dimwits" who hang out in manga forums

That is exactly the point, that people who are considered the "dirt" by guys who look like Barbie and Ken, that exactly such alternative minded people are all like "hell yeah, so hot" =_= I just feel VERY DISAPPOINTED AND VERY PISSED AT ALL THIS

I am just generally losing my ground here, my reason to be here at all I really LIKE you people here, I always feel AT HOME here! I do NOT wish to be creeped out by something like that! ..I do not have much else in the world, and my life is really damn hard... THIS is here the place I feel the most at home, and THAT is why I feel so emotional and angry and depressed..

@tumbleweed: I am just pissed, I do not know who is "crying" anywhere, but it's certainly not me I was not attacking anyone personally, not a single person, just feeling despaired about the complete lack of understanding of what I try to explain: that ALTERNATIVE people, who hang out in manga forums.. oh, whatever..

but to do that that you will have to work twice as hard

I just wanted to say, I AM already working TEN times as hard as anyone I know And barely make it day to day I may be overly bitter at times, but I DO care deeply about what is very very essential to my heart. And there are not many such things. One of them is THIS forum here and the Kubera Webtoon, THAT is why I get so emotional. This is my only refuge many times, so of course I am VERY despaired NOT to lose it...

My body is not as healthy as it should be, I am breaking down regularly, sometimes my brain just stops working and I have sudden hallucinations. There are many irreparable aftereffects of the torture I survived. I still try not to land on a revenge trip like Asha, but stay human..

I just wish to be able to feel at home here, not like an alien understood by no one. Because that is the feeling I already have all the time in "real life" I know it is not possible to have friends everywhere, or be understood by everyone, but not be understood at all in a place I care about the MOST..?

...Sorry again.. I really really did not wish for all this to be hurtful to anyone personally.... I did not mean this as an answer to any personal posts.. I just feel completely shoved aside and misunderstood, and that is not something I expected here.. this place IS important to me, in opposite to other things..

Edited by Goobera, 04 March 2013 - 05:58 PM.

[Mizura]

You know, if we're to have a debate about looks in real life, they're often not all that. My mother's beautiful aunt who was a famous actress back then got framed by a jealous rival during the Chinese Cultural Revolution and died tortured in prison. True story.

Don't get too obsessed over looks, good or bad. I see many beautiful girls here in China, but their expressions often looks as though they have permanent sour lemons in their mouth. You know those models in fashion magazines? The ones with skinny limbs who look as though they're permanently pissed off? Yeah, like that. They may be hanging off the arms of rich men, but my father agrees that girls like those scare him off, and I'm really glad I'm not them. On the other hand, I've also met many average looking working women. Some of them are old and have a face full of wrinkles, but they beam when they smile. You can practically feel the warmth off them, in contrast to those icecubes mentioned earlier.

Also, true but weird story: all the Chinese wives of successful foreign men I know are average-looking, even those of men who are dead handsome. They look more like the "tiger mom" types than the Asian beauty types. As my father puts it, "I don't get it, they're so handsome, why is their wife so ugly?" It's a bit baffling because it's so systematic, but that's how it is. O_o;;

Edited by Mizura, 02 March 2013 - 06:05 AM.

[Goobera]

Try searching in Google Images for "plastic surgery gone wrong"... THAT is.. plain horror D: I stumbled over that accidentally once and still feel sick in my stomach D:

...but my point is more of "skinny is not beautiful" or "Barbie is not something I look up to".. where I come from we suffered hunger, and a skinny person reminds me of the harsh times in the past D: I think beautiful people are beautiful on the inside and on the outside.. or that there is way too much talk about "beauty", especially when it comes to women

I know what you mean with "ice cubes" or "sour lemon" ^^ ..and then the guys talk all like "ah, all the women are so capricious and have such bad temper" =_=;; ..of course those near starved models have a bad temper, anyone would when they would never have any real fun, and have to be hungry all the time =_=;;

I think real beauty comes from the heart, and the rest is just good grooming, cleanliness and maybe some pretty clothes ^^ Anyone can do that if they try... If someone would tell me "you are too ugly" I would think that they are rude and have mental problems, since no one has the right to demand from me to look the way they want.. except a boyfriend of course, but that is also up to discussion ^^

[Kaiein]

I have some friends who are Fs. They told me that as long as they don't become bigger they should stay fine with few problems. Of course, they get stared at A LOT by guys. Poor Leez, she's going to be stared at all the time in that form. At least Brilith was able to deal with it, albeit she had normal bodyguards, Agni, and Asha to drive people away. XD In America it's easier to find girls with naturally big boobs, I guess.

I appreciate how Currygom draws all the girls (and guys, too): they are all varied and more lifelike while some mangas/mangwhas/comics (usually ecchi) contain girls that have ridiculously skinny bodies with huge boobs (bigger than F there) or the girls are short, skinny, and flat chested lolis. In the world of Kubera there are the ridiculously fit guys (Maruna, Agni, God Kubera, etc.), the not muscled but not flabby guys (i.e. Gandharva<--he used to be muscled, though, blame Menaka ), girls with naturally big boobs (i.e. Shuri), girls with curvy figures (i.e. Anna Haias and young Leez), girls that have had serious physical training with smaller boobs (i.e. Teo and Airi), girls that are naturally slim though they don't work out much (i.e. Sagara and Brilith), age effects on older people (meaning it's not completely filled with young people-->Ran's aunt and uncle). Even in The Wavering King arc, there's the two college students who are talking about Agwen and Ran, and one of them is definitely obese (and tall). They each have their own personality, too, which makes it even more enjoyable. Imagine Kubera with all the stereotypical MC feelings--it'd be horrible.

I completely understand where you're coming from, Goobera. The stereotype around here (meaning where I live) is that unless you (as a girl) are blonde, skinny, have medium-sized boobs, are 5'6" and under, play sports or do other popular activities, look younger than you really are by about a year or two, like to party, and have plenty of money to spare, then you are either a slim, dark-haired, dark-eyed beauty or an exotic girl from foreign places (We have a foreign exchange student from Serbia who is absolutely gorgeous. I wish her stay here could've been better, though ). I'm perfectly happy with not having any significant other in my life right now--less drama. The unfortunate thing for me is that I look and act older than I really am, so guys who are 5-10 years older than I am hit on me. Sigh, girl problems...

Also, as I read some previous posts I made I must've been half-asleep or something when I typed them because they don't agree with what I think (or that they just came out wrong). Anyway, maybe sometime later I'll bother changing them. As of this moment I really don't care.

Oh and by the way, my brother likes younger Leez over older Leez. He likes short, comical, weirdly-habited girls over the demure, serious types. He probably wouldn't like Brilith as much, and Sagara, well... there's the ex-girlfriend story there (after breakup she gained Sagara's psycho personality along with Shuri's body, weird combo XD). He'll be home in a couple weeks for spring break, so I'll try to convince him to read Kubera then.

Edited by Kaiein, 02 March 2013 - 07:49 AM.

[Mizura]

@Goobera: Oh that, please also remember that Leez is super tall now, easily over 1.7m. When you're tall, you also happen to look thinner. xD My dad's legs look really skinny for example because he's tall, all the girls envy him. >.>;; Logically, Leez' physique (minus a certain area) is likely to be made up of lean muscles. Have you seen marathon runners in real life? They look pretty skinny in normal clothes, nothing like those body-builders, but it's steel-like muscles underneath.

Anyway, a wrinkly face with a genuine smile is a lot more beautiful than a botox-filled face with a frown.

Of course, they get stared at A LOT by guys.

Ugh, that's annoying.

The unfortunate thing for me is that I look and act older than I really am, so guys who are 5-10 years older than I am hit on me.

I have the opposite problem. I look and act younger than I really am. >.>;; I'm always holed up at home though so I don't get hit on often.

Edited by Mizura, 02 March 2013 - 07:49 AM.

[Kaiein]

@Goobera: Oh that, please also remember that Leez is super tall now, easily over 1.7m. When you're tall, you also happen to look thinner. xD My dad's legs look really skinny for example because he's tall, all the girls envy him. >.>;;

HAHAHAHA!!!!!! I knew a guy like that last year! All the girls were jealous of him because he had the perfect legs that many girls wanted. XD

People have always thought I am about 4 years older than I really am (except at school, then everyone assumes I'm a senior). Another thing I've noticed is that Leez doesn't pay too much attention to her appearance or other's appearances, either. Just because they're not wearing the nicest or most expensive clothes doesn't mean that she thinks bad of them; rather, she looks at their personality. Speaking of which, her only encounter with the Garuda Clan was with Maruna, and that wasn't a good first impression. However, if she somehow got to know Maruna's personality, with his obsession over his stage growth and his family and friends, I wonder if she could actually get along with him while acknowledging what he's done. Kubera's one of those stories that everyone has a legitimate reason as to why they do things but it doesn't get across to others either correctly or at all, hence character conflict.

[themantarays]

I really, really think we need to get over the "us verses them" mentality we can develop when we decide to associate with a group, for better or for worse. My favorite thing about Leez is that she sees everybody (except Sura) as "us." But one of her "us" is a "them" (Yuta). Naturally, this will be explored later. As for Leez, she's still the same Leez to me. First of all, she isn't a "them" just because she looks like a "them," and secondly there is no "them," just a lot of varying opinions on what beauty is, some of which have more followers than others. As for the poll, fanservice or not, I simply think the character design is more clever with the new look, and that's why I voted for it.

Goobera, please don't group people into a group of "mainstream" "fake" "sh*tty" people with a "high flying education" who laugh at the group of "alternative" manga forum readers. I know you were exaggerating for effect, but in doing so you have betrayed that you have very similar prejudices as those you rail against. Other than words such as "fake" and "sh*tty" I would say I have the prerequisites for both categories of people you mentioned, and it would hurt if you stopped being friendly with me just because I am vaguely popular among my friends.

Yeah, there are a few people who have shallow opinions like "Leez is better now because she's hotter," but to be frank that's why half the readers read any comic, and if you can't handle the opinions of readers who don't care as much about what we care about in the comic, then it was a little silly of you to start the poll in the first place, in my opinion.

So let's stay accepting as friends? Please? because I think

"real beauty comes from the heart, and the rest is just good grooming, cleanliness and maybe some pretty clothes ^^ Anyone can do that if they try..."

is spot on.

[MRVGJ]

Well this may be a bit late here joining in this forum,but I think that the new leez better, but i really hope her personality only changes slightly with her new form.

[Goobera]

I wanted to apologize to anyone hurt by my angry madness As a Half my Sura part sometimes shows, and then I feel like Yuta fighting against his Chaos side Looking at how crazy my family always was I may have some Taraka Clan ancestors too But those attacks are caused by intense pan, not by the wish to really harm anyone.. I know this is no excuse, but I am always so deeply immersed in pain, real physical pain due to my bad health, and barely can breathe at such times. Yuta is damn strong, for being able to stop his dark side before it's too late...

[NomenHicInserto]

I like the new Leez more. I think Leez should be attractive (to the people around her), but I also like her as she is now. She has a childish charm and that adult body won't fit. Not to mention, it's going to wear off soon anyway, so I'll just choose the adult version. Hehe.

On a side note, I'm surprised more guys voted than girls. I wonder if that counts as readers too. (It probably does.) I always thought they'd be more girls reading this because (a) a woman wrote this (I think??? OMG, is Currygom even a woman?!? Uh, yes. Of course she is. Silly me...) and because ( the main character (for now) is a girl. Just glad that both girls and boys alike enjoy this series. ^^

I have the opposite problem. I look and act younger than I really am. >.>;; I'm always holed up at home though so I don't get hit on often.

Haha. I also look younger than I really am. ><;

It's not that I wish this Webtoon to get lower ratings and less popularity, but.. Just imagine, let's say Asha is your biggest favorite - and now imagine Currygom would say "Asha needs bigger boobs and more curves", and BOOM the cool awesome Asha would turn into some boring mainstream chick?

I change my mind. o.o I want the old Leez back and see her grow slowly.

...Asha may not be my number one favorite character (she's my second favorite xD) but I don't want her to be like... like... that. ;_;

[Goobera]

Is it just me, or is there a blue star at the vote: "The usual Leez is best" o_O;; ????

Batoto is probably trolling me for April's Fool >.<

 

Ha, I made a screenshot to commemorate this glorious event forever xD

[Sogno-]

whichever Leez makes me laugh more is the better D:<

Edited by Sogno-, 01 April 2013 - 03:43 AM.

[Kaiein]

@Goobera, The blue stars symbolize what you have chosen in the polls so you can make sure you picked the right one and whatnot.

[Goobera]

@Goobera, The blue stars symbolize what you have chosen in the polls so you can make sure you picked the right one and whatnot.

o_O;; ................................I see........... (cough cough).........ha ha ha....(nervous laughter)

..........so my stupid butter brain got me again D: xD

 

Thank you for clarifying So it IS just me after all xD xD xD xD

Anyways, I like the usual Leez best, since she is the cutest and most hilarious

Edited by Goobera, 01 April 2013 - 08:53 AM.

[MangaFan]

the new much more sexy and attractive. seriously

[Kosame]

Eum, as a guy (not that it matters really) I prefer regular Leez.
Perhaps it is more a question of that being the Leez that I "knew" from the start

but I find her to be much more animated and "Leez-y" as she is.

I suppose she is just much more recognizable and stands out more in her younger self.
Presented with the older Leez she just, for me, seems to fade into the see of adult female characters.
I-I mean older Leez is pretty but I prefer the cuter and younger Leez with the "odd face". 
She seems less distant. /rambling
 

[sorrow]

I like the new Leez best but I would not like her to become that way artificially it was fine for a day but if the change were made to stay then it would be best to change over time or with the use of a time slip at most.