Adventure of Sinbad

I would've been quite interesting to read this before Magi, so many characters we already know in Magi are being foreshadowed here, as if it came before.

I wonder if new readers will read this one first in the future, when both series are complete

I think it's silly and deceptive that sinbad compares his month or so of voluntary slavery to people who were forced into slavery and captured and slaves for most if not all of their lives.

I felt that way too, but Sinbad did also go through solitary confinement and torture during that time. It must have been a huge shock for him as he's had his freedom before so it probably hit him very hard.

I think it's silly and deceptive that sinbad compares his month or so of voluntary slavery to people who were forced into slavery and captured and slaves for most if not all of their lives.

You go Sharrkan baby.

NO!! MASRUR!!

Masrur and Shere khan Sharrkan:

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Alright I'll keep this short since you're not even bothering to read my replies and I'm just reiterating what I said before:

1) Your first point states that in an era with few fledgling nations, new kingdoms don't need royal blood, just lots of land and power. And that is absolutely correct. But no one is arguing that. In this scenario, kingdoms have been established for centuries, so it's all moot. So good strawman argument. 

 

2) This second point is a little incoherent, but from what I can gather, you're saying that people only know about the Dark Continent because someone from the Old World told them about it. As if nobody would question that huge expanse of uninhabitable land to the south of the Reim Empire. The magis would be the only one with access to the information about Alma Torran. And even if a few people knew about it and of David, it's not enough to be common knowledge. The precedent is useless if no one knows about it.

 

Anyways I'll reframe this discussion for you once more and be done with this because you're arguing nonsense now. This entire conversation started because you thought Sinbad shouldn't have been so shaken up by the royal blood argument. But the point is that he was and rightfully so, as explained in the past several posts. Go back and re-read all the points that I and the others have brought up. We've addressed all of the fallacious points of your argument already and there's no use reiterating what's already been said. Think before you throw out all these strawman arguments next time.

Can I pick up this manga directly from watching the anime?  If so where should I start?  Will I miss anything important?

While you can technically pick up from chapter 55, I wouldn't recommend it. The anime glosses over a few key flashbacks that you'll need to understand what's going on. Most of the stuff concerns Drakon, so you can skim over the parts that the anime covered besides that.

Can I pick up this manga directly from watching the anime?  If so where should I start?  Will I miss anything important?

If you think those are long, you should see plot theory posts on tumblr

I haven't, but honestly, a "comment" shouldn't be that long, in my humble opinion. o.O Otherwise it develops into a paragraph, an essay, and then a story or a detailed argument. =.=

A little too late for that warning, especially considering that Magi is just one big spoiler for this whole story....

yes, magi was a big spoiler for this spoiler.

however,

the spoiler doesnt tell much about important event or plotline which will happen on this manga,

like in zepar arc,

think of it like, monogatari series, 

Just saw the bloodline argument is still going on.

I think what Serendine said about bloodline is true, but there are also many other truths.

The reason Sinbad lost wasn't because she was right, and he was wrong. It's because he was weak, and he wavered. 

He could have proved her wrong.

Anyway, have fun debating.

Here is some Kind reminder for you who enjoy Sinbad no bouken..

 

DO NOT READ MAGI CH 307 AND MORE.

 

it contain and extremely major and important Spoiler for this manga storyline, their plot, etc

 

You've been warned

A little too late for that warning, especially considering that Magi is just one big spoiler for this whole story....

Here is some Kind reminder for you who enjoy Sinbad no bouken..

 

DO NOT READ MAGI CH 307 AND MORE.

 

it contain and extremely major and important Spoiler for this manga storyline, their plot, etc

 

You've been warned

I wish I had known this before I read CH 307...

Here is some Kind reminder for you who enjoy Sinbad no bouken..

DO NOT READ MAGI CH 307 AND MORE.

it contain and extremely major and important Spoiler for this manga storyline, their plot, etc

You've been warned

Christ, the lack of tags around here....

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And your argument is biased by a time when most kingdoms were already born, and the whole bullshitty Royal Blood mentality was instilled, you're just forgetting that once upon a time we had feuds, and at that time, it was somewhat common for a land to become a kingdom, you just had to give some other nobles a land, and kngs back then weren't even that important, a person has absolute authority in their own piece of land, be it any king or even god itself, no one else has any level of authority in your lands. Lands were "power", if you had lands It doesn't matter where you came from, you'd have power, you'd be recognized as someone important.

 

And CURRENT kings learned about Alma Torran from Aladdin, but we have many ancient kingdoms that were never introduced in the main series, In fact no one would aknow bout the dark Continent, if there weren't any kingdoms related to the old world. Newest chapter is showing that.

And as a second note, there's your precedent (David, and he was know as Elder David, but people also treated him as a king, and yes it was never said, but that's how I got the whole situation, since even kings bow down to him), if it happened once, it can happen again, regardless of knowledge being spread. Your argument was already broken.

 

My points don't consider Sinbad having people already, he WILL have people, this was already pointed out to Sinbad, if he wishes to create his country he'll have to look for that, so whether he has now or later, it makes no difference to any of my arguments.

Also, people follow leadership, not Royal blood, the only ones who care about that kind of thing are nobles and royals, people may love their king, but they have no knowledge of lineage or legitimacy, they love them because they're good leaders, just remember, what happened to a certain kingdom, that was ended due to a rebellion and a Magician who was a peasant became it's king, a Kingdom of magicians was born...

 

If Sinbad were to announce his desire to form a kingdom, some people would surely follow, he's been going around for quite some time, his name will soon be recognized by many people around the world, all he needs is to keep on working on spreding his company and start getting name for that, he also helps the royals of wherever kingdom he visits, this is already a great help to his cause.

If you think those are long, you should see plot theory posts on tumblr

Woa, what the hell. Why are you guys writing essays about this? D: The forums are here for that. Could you please give the comments section a little reprieve?

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What is wrong in your argument is the fact that if you are guiding people to a new land, means that they already trust you.

 

If you found unowned lands, guided people there, and built a kingdom, there can be no way for people to not recognize you as their King, that's how hard it is to lead people away from their homes.

There's no precedent for that you say? What about the human kingdoms(the ones not in David's lands, or even David's Empire)?

In Alma Torran humans were weak, they lived as nomads cause they wouldn't last a second otherwise. 

David created an empire himself, due to his power as a Magi chosen by the villain god.

He, a peasant like any other, became recognized as leader due to his newfound power to protect his people, same as Sinbad.

What is wrong in your argument is the fact that if you are guiding people to a new land, means that they already trust you.

If you found unowned lands, guided people there, and built a kingdom, there can be no way for people to not recognize you as their King, that's how hard it is to lead people away from their homes.

There's no precedent for that you say? What about the human kingdoms(the ones not in David's lands, or even David's Empire)?

In Alma Torran humans were weak, they lived as nomads cause they wouldn't last a second otherwise. 

David created an empire himself, due to his power as a Magi chosen by the villain god.

He, a peasant like any other, became recognized as leader due to his newfound power to protect his people, same as Sinbad.

Additionally, we hear nothing of the Parthevia Empire in Magi,
 

Not true, it has been mentioned that Sinbad took in the black Ruka from his home land (Parthevia) at some point in the past. so we know it fell

That is also a puzzle I've pondered, though I think it can mostly be waved away with the "dungeons are a new phenomenon, so it's effects haven't completely infiltrated into the ancien regime." Therefore... Like Cao Cao vs. Cao Pi on the Han Dynasty Legitimacy; It takes a generation or two before the idea will begin to fade, such that the ruler was willing to risk a forced usurpation.

But yea, you are quite right, with the power Sinbad have, even if there are reactionaries to his new world policy, I doubt any would truly pose a real threat to his authoritarian regime. (p.s. Sinbad, I doubt even need the loyalty of troops or citizens, since who needs a legion of ten thousand peasants when he can freeze the desert with a wave of his hand? ;p Just think who would think of toppling Louis XVI during the french revolution if he can wipe out france with a push of a button)

As far as the villaging process goes, most likely, to balance against our modern morals, he'll probably do something like freeing slaves (like all those kids he freed) or give low taxes to encourage immigration... But then again, he could've just as well kidnapped anyone he want and pluck them onto his deserted eventual island kingdom, which would be easier, and faster... But certainly make him seem like a big douche.

The answer, is... Manga logic

Well we can see in Magi that his kingdom seems to be made up of a variety of cultures, so it's likely that he ended up picking up stragglers or people looking for new opportunities. Additionally, we hear nothing of the Parthevia Empire in Magi, Serendine is missing and her Djinn, Zepar, is under Sinbad's control, so it's likely that the Empire collapses at some point due to Sinbad's influence, Serendine dies and transfers ownership to him, and Sinbad, of course, reaches out to help the former citizens of Parthevia by inviting them to join Sindria. It's unlikely he'd need to give a lot of additional incentive after establishing a trade empire with no slavery and is essentially welcome to all.

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Royal Blood don't exist, like I said, at one point in time everyone was a peasant. Hideyoshi was a peasant and became emperor,  many old kingdoms in the middle east were formed by nomads, meaning no Royal blood there either. before a kingdom was born there were no Royals or Nobles, unless that new Kigdom cam from remnants of an older kingdom.

 

Even Liu Bei had diluted Blood, and using his Royal Blood is merely an excuse cause he would never become a king either way, Sun Jian had that right cause he had the seal of the emperor, Liu Bei didn't. Hence why his family attacked him, ending in the death of Shu's second strategist, he became a king by merit not by blood. Cao Cao, was a noble but he was not married to a royal and so, it makes no diference, no royal blood either This already kills you argument and you want to continue? What about Sima Yi? He founded the Jin Dynasty, no royal either.

 

Once again, there's no such thing as Royal Blood, Royal Blood is only needed to inherity your family's country, or a royal's country(in case you're a noble marrying into a royal family). Royal Blood is not required to build a Kingdom in lands that belong to no one else but you, no other King would oppose if you called yourself King then, they had neither the right, nor the autority to meddle in someone else's lands, and not the desire either.

 

"If you have a tribe, means you are already a chieftain..." And who formed that tribe ,huh? God?

Sinbad has no people of his own yet, he could easily form a tribe by using refugees of some other country, or by just attracting nomads to his lands,  and be it's chief if he so wanted. And in Tribes, meritocracy works, there are even rules for this kind of thing, like duels in some cases, or simply by proving your superiority through other means... Just a reminder

I would've understand why the characters have such belief, if not because this is friggin Magi and we had just seen a guy splitting the earth like it's no big deal. Monarchy is convenient because it's an established system that no one will question and hence there will be less uprising and d'etat happening every time the former king passed away, but when you're so fking badass that literally only a handful of person can kill you, legitimacy really doesn't mean jack sht as much as the loyalty of your subject, which conveniently isn't much problem for our dear Sinbad.

 

Tbh, the biggest puzzle here is just how will Sinbad convince enough population to be his citizens? I mean, how the hell did he managed to skip the entire villaging process and get his village promoted straight into a country?

That is also a puzzle I've pondered, though I think it can mostly be waved away with the "dungeons are a new phenomenon, so it's effects haven't completely infiltrated into the ancien regime." Therefore... Like Cao Cao vs. Cao Pi on the Han Dynasty Legitimacy; It takes a generation or two before the idea will begin to fade, such that the ruler was willing to risk a forced usurpation.

But yea, you are quite right, with the power Sinbad have, even if there are reactionaries to his new world policy, I doubt any would truly pose a real threat to his authoritarian regime. (p.s. Sinbad, I doubt even need the loyalty of troops or citizens, since who needs a legion of ten thousand peasants when he can freeze the desert with a wave of his hand? ;p Just think who would think of toppling Louis XVI during the french revolution if he can wipe out france with a push of a button)

As far as the villaging process goes, most likely, to balance against our modern morals, he'll probably do something like freeing slaves (like all those kids he freed) or give low taxes to encourage immigration... But then again, he could've just as well kidnapped anyone he want and pluck them onto his deserted eventual island kingdom, which would be easier, and faster... But certainly make him seem like a big douche.

The answer, is... Manga logic