Maou no Hajimekata - The Comic

that chapter 3 credit page edit , lost my sides....

Oh nice. Two more heroines that he can bang.

Uuuh, please be one more heroine he can bang. I'd like to be able to keep reading this,

Holy!!!1

another chapter so soon

Rapeman FTW

You misunderstand my point. This is what I said: "...and if you've gone out of your way to concoct a fantasy world where these things are commonplace, I think it says more about you than your characters..."

 

Human rights are a creation of our world, our time, and are an expression of our values. They exist for us, the readers, and presumably for the creator as well. A fantasy world can express any world, any time, and any values. What does it say about the creator's views if he takes the things we abhor about our own world and make them the spice and titilation of his fantasy world? If he does not use his art to help us understand the causes of these abhorrent things and what our response to them should be, but instead does the reverse - if he invites us to identify and sympathize with a maniac, whose motives and actions we are encouraged to view as justified and acceptable? This is what it means to make the abhorrent commonplace.

You know you contradict yourself.

In one sentence you say that a fantasy world can express any world/time/values. Yet you go on to say that it should reflect our current world's morality/beliefs/values.

Personally, I love works of fiction that throw modern thinking away.

I suppose that you are aware that rape was (and is still) used as a weapon by armies and mercenaries all around the world? "Human rights" is a modern concept, it did not exist in any medieval society. Slaves and serfs had very, very few rights and they had no more rights than cattle.

In fact, any "realistic" setting would have been that once he captured her, he would either

1-execute her immediatly

2-torture her (including rape) to get informations (who sent her, how did she find him, etc...)

3-ransom her (if he had learned she was of royal lineage)

4-held her captive as hostage so her family doesn't retaliate

 

...but in reality, there just wouldn't be any circumstance where a lone princess would wander in a dangerous dungeon anyway.

You misunderstand my point. This is what I said: "...and if you've gone out of your way to concoct a fantasy world where these things are commonplace, I think it says more about you than your characters..."

Human rights are a creation of our world, our time, and are an expression of our values. They exist for us, the readers, and presumably for the creator as well. A fantasy world can express any world, any time, and any values. What does it say about the creator's views if he takes the things we abhor about our own world and make them the spice and titilation of his fantasy world? If he does not use his art to help us understand the causes of these abhorrent things and what our response to them should be, but instead does the reverse - if he invites us to identify and sympathize with a maniac, whose motives and actions we are encouraged to view as justified and acceptable? This is what it means to make the abhorrent commonplace.

@Tactless    No possible context can justify the things aur has done so far (drugging, hypnosis, etc.)  As merc says, these are cartoonish tactics worthy of any mustache-twirling villain.  And I hardly need to point out that the united nations recognizes rape as a violation of universally agreed upon human rights (and if you've gone out of your way to concoct a fantasy world where these things are commonplace, I think it says more about you than your characters). What possible justification can the author pull out of his rectum to make aur anything other than evil at this point? This is an adolescent's vengeful wish-fullfillment scenario rather than an actual story.

I suppose that you are aware that rape was (and is still) used as a weapon by armies and mercenaries all around the world? "Human rights" is a modern concept, it did not exist in any medieval society. Slaves and serfs had very, very few rights and they had no more rights than cattle.

In fact, any "realistic" setting would have been that once he captured her, he would either

1-execute her immediatly

2-torture her (including rape) to get informations (who sent her, how did she find him, etc...)

3-ransom her (if he had learned she was of royal lineage)

4-held her captive as hostage so her family doesn't retaliate

...but in reality, there just wouldn't be any circumstance where a lone princess would wander in a dangerous dungeon anyway.

You're completely and utterly ignored the context.

Yeah, what you said makes sense to me, imercenary.

Let's say that a pragmatic person pursues their own self-interest to the exclusion of moral considerations. They only help people when they stand to benefit in the short or long term. They hinder or destroy people who might resist them in the future. And they actively exploit people whom they believe are too weak to resist. In other words, they disregard the goals and desires of others, and force or coerce them into doing things they would otherwise not choose to do. I think that it is easy to condemn such beliefs as selfish, destructive, and evil.

@Tactless    No possible context can justify the things aur has done so far (drugging, hypnosis, etc.)  As merc says, these are cartoonish tactics worthy of any mustache-twirling villain.  And I hardly need to point out that the united nations recognizes rape as a violation of universally agreed upon human rights (and if you've gone out of your way to concoct a fantasy world where these things are commonplace, I think it says more about you than your characters). What possible justification can the author pull out of his rectum to make aur anything other than evil at this point? This is an adolescent's vengeful wish-fullfillment scenario rather than an actual story.

You're completely and utterly ignored the context.

He's a ruthless pragmatist that's neither good nor evil. He just makes the optimal choices for his own situation

I was buffing that line by expounding on your hypothetical.

Aur could roast all the villages straightaway, and not deal with dissenters.

Yet said villages can provide him labor + reputation against other factions.

Said factions could disrupt his dungeon work after hearing of his existence.

Which weakens their focus on other areas.

Which allows Aur to sneak some effort through said cracks.

Which does this.

Which does that.

A zigzag of supposedly good and supposedly evil checkpoints, all for an unknown goal.

You say that the thought of the protagonist being anything but evil is idiotic?

I counter with this: how many steps ahead is Aur thinking?

At the moment, neither of us know.

Sociology, History, Psychology, I have taken such classes before.

 

In one such History class, the professor and I started a discussion on hunting and gathering groups in ancient Sumer. I distinctly pointed out a scenario in which an elder, a former hunter in his prime, could have taken an injury that prevents him from physically aiding his group's current generation of hunters. He still had "use" as a repository of knowledge.

 

I know neither of us are ignorant, and you are correct that there exists a sentiment that the elderly should be discarded wholesale.

 

But those who carry that line of thinking may not be as pragmatic as they appear if they lack the foresight to extract any other kinds of worth from the people they so readily want to dispose of.

You're completely and utterly ignored the context.

Ok this MC is a lot better then I thought. At first I believed it was going down hill with cheap hentai "training" but the MC actually put a lot of thought into his methods. A believable brainwashing scenarios was concocted. Not only that, the MC isn't a brainless villain either. He's a ruthless pragmatist that's neither good nor evil. He just makes the optimal choices for his own situation, if it means helping the villagers in the processes then all the better for him. I'm looking forward to how this turns out.

Okay why is there a discussion on NTR here? I have absolutely no idea how the hell the discussion could've gotten to NTR. There's not even the slightest bit of NTR to be seen anywhere in this manga, unless you guys have read the novel raws and know something I don't?

NTR stands for netorare. Netorare is basically the japanese version of cuckolding. Netorare means: (taken from urban dictionary)

"NTR is a hentai genre where in a heroine will be introduced as having a significant other, which may be a husband, a boyfriend, or even a partner in a BST affair. The story will then show the aforementioned heroine being intimate with another man thus provoking jealousy in the audience by proxy."

 

NTR is chucked around a lot and most of the time the term isn't used correctly. But hey, even if the term is used incorrectly, people generally get the idea of kind of content to expect when NTR is used.

Umm, I know what NTR is, I just mentioned that the first kanji of it (寝 from 寝取られ) is the kanji for sleep, meaning the term itself actually has meaning more of 'taken while (you) were asleep' (and for Netori which can also be abbreviated as NTR, 'taken while (he/she) was asleep'), i.e. the 'victim' is not aware of what's going on until it's too late.

I know this topic is not that important for most people (I mean how many people even know kanji, let alone Japanese) but I've always find these sort of expressions where few characters/words express statement of a full sentence quite fascinating (even if some/most of them fall into meme category, i.e. YOLO)

Ch 2 page 4-5 have him explicitly call it a trade, and then explains that in return for tributes, he offers 'blessing's (which we now know what kind it is)

 

Although he also proceeds to show off the zombies...

 

 

As for whether he's acting, I'd say no, this page more or less capture his stance on things.

Spoiler

http://vatoto.com/read/_/323408/maou-no-hajimekata_ch3_by_rapeman-scans/20

 

 

He's not a 'good' guy, him helping the villagers is because it's part of his blessing he offered (and better village = more offering in turn)

And if they refuse, he probably planned to use them to defend his dungeon. (I mean, he mentioned making agreement with 6 villages, but not how many villages he visited in total...)

 

 

Him getting Yunis is both part of his desire (remember why he picked Succubus? *wink wink*) and to deal with the situation at hand (of the first invader in dungeon)

 

Looking from his perspective, he considers the villagers who told her about his existence while lying about exploitation part (they didn't tell her he help improve the field and give medicines) to be the real source of trouble and deserve that no mercy punishment.

 

Yunis came at him without knowing the full story, and he punished her by taking her virginity.

Sure there's the hypnotism and that temptation with the pausing in the middle.

However at the end of the day, his hypnotism merely lean her toward a certain path, that she chose it herself was something he couldn't perfectly controlled.

 

In fact, I believe he even consider the possibility of her parting way then, which is why he already told her she's free during that meal.

So if she choose to walk her own path of 'punishing sinners', he'll just let her go.

Of course her picking him and giving her oath definitely is what he wanted.

 

 

 

Isn't the N in NTR the kanji for 'sleep' implies that the whole thing is done without the other party realizing (at least until a good chunk through, usually shown by the taker)?

 

The new guy in company example would applies if he setup those favor behind the scene, but if he simply shows his worth in the company then it's just plain old competition and he won fair n square in that case.

NTR stands for netorare. Netorare is basically the japanese version of cuckolding. Netorare means: (taken from urban dictionary)

"NTR is a hentai genre where in a heroine will be introduced as having a significant other, which may be a husband, a boyfriend, or even a partner in a BST affair. The story will then show the aforementioned heroine being intimate with another man thus provoking jealousy in the audience by proxy."

NTR is chucked around a lot and most of the time the term isn't used correctly. But hey, even if the term is used incorrectly, people generally get the idea of kind of content to expect when NTR is used.

For the greater good.

 

You guys should take a philosophy or sociology class. You seem to think that I'm just trolling but this sort of mentality is common in the world.

Sociology, History, Psychology, I have taken such classes before.

In one such History class, the professor and I started a discussion on hunting and gathering groups in ancient Sumer. I distinctly pointed out a scenario in which an elder, a former hunter in his prime, could have taken an injury that prevents him from physically aiding his group's current generation of hunters. He still had "use" as a repository of knowledge.

I know neither of us are ignorant, and you are correct that there exists a sentiment that the elderly should be discarded wholesale.

But those who carry that line of thinking may not be as pragmatic as they appear if they lack the foresight to extract any other kinds of worth from the people they so readily want to dispose of.

I don't care... I will follow this! Also the art is good~

Interesting. I wonder how long it will last.............................. on Batoto that is.

And here I thought the heroines in hentai manga fell easily

Someone please add Rape, Hypnosis and Mind Break gen-

Oh wait. Wrong site.

snips snips

Well, at least that's what the proverbs stands for it as in today, these days, in hentai communities everywhere

yea , i think thats what its original meaning, but mainstream changes everything, 

mlp intended for children view, now as for today, ... . you know what i mean, i dont want to insult or offend other mlp lovers

Retirement homes exist to give comfort to those who have paid their dues during their prime years. Take that away, and the current and future primes have less of a reason to support you. What's the point of working if there's no security at the end?

 

For the greater good.

You guys should take a philosophy or sociology class. You seem to think that I'm just trolling but this sort of mentality is common in the world.

So is he acting the "misunderstood good guy" just to get the girl or not? Cos I think earlier he demanded tribute from a village before even giving them anything...

 

On a side note though, I'm starting to look forward to the credits page

Ch 2 page 4-5 have him explicitly call it a trade, and then explains that in return for tributes, he offers 'blessing's (which we now know what kind it is)

Although he also proceeds to show off the zombies...

As for whether he's acting, I'd say no, this page more or less capture his stance on things.

*snips*

Isn't the N in NTR the kanji for 'sleep' implies that the whole thing is done without the other party realizing (at least until a good chunk through, usually shown by the taker)?

The new guy in company example would applies if he setup those favor behind the scene, but if he simply shows his worth in the company then it's just plain old competition and he won fair n square in that case.

If "pragmatic" exempts you from being judged as good or evil, you should go down to the nearby retirement home, throw everyone into a meat grinder and use them as fertilizer. Its more "pragmatic" to stop wasting resources on keeping those people alive AND to develop a long term strategy to produce more resources.
 

All these attempts to justify that the protagonist isn't "evil" is idiotic.

Retirement homes exist to give comfort to those who have paid their dues during their prime years. Take that away, and the current and future primes have less of a reason to support you. What's the point of working if there's no security at the end?

Plus, even those who are past their physical prime can have intangible value. Maybe their strategic minds are still sharp. Maybe they are famed among the populace. Maybe they are the sole inheritor of a vast fortune. What better way to corral a person than to provide them benefits?

Blindly discarding the past will not ensure a future.