Samurai Usagi

Too bad it got axed, the majority of Japanese otaku really can hardly stand non-borderline porn manga, uh?

Anyway, it was an awesome manga, thank you for translating it, AOM and Samurai Usagi Scanlations^^

 I just wanted to thank everyone that worked on this it was a fun read.

That was... abrupt. 0_o I knew it was ending soon, but this is way too sudden. Was the series cancelled?

damn ninja, go cut onion somewhere else!

See, 'Wrong' is a bit too firm (judgmental) way of putting it for me. His assessment of the world at large was that he couldn't trust, not that there were no trustworthy people. I think you're a little too strongly attached to that.

He said that he can't trust and because he can't trust he can't fully commit to anyone. He pointed out with some validity that the prevalence of divorce and the ease with which it can be attained has devalued the words 'til death do you part' into just a phrase.

That's probably where you and I are at cross purposes. I am looking at what he said, what he described of his feelings, and the situation he's in. You seem to be more interested in reacting to what you feel he asserted about 'everyone' and in particular people who have been divorced. Defending those people as being decent people was a key element of both of the posts of yours that I have commented on.

I don't want to argue 'trustworthiness' because it is a relative, not an objective trait.

To me Jackson Boo's post could be paraphrased as a longing for a simpler ideal of marriage and a statement for both why he longed for it, the contrast with his experiences with family and relationships, and why he didn't think he would ever find it, the 'damage' from those same relationships. I don't see any need to attack him for it and I sympathize with the emotion that caused him to post; Gochin and his rabbit-admiring wife were adorable in that scene.

Hm. Can I just say that the likely reason they were disappointed is that they interpreted your words to mean "I don't care enough about you to do the hard work of committing to a relationship through thick and thin. I'm just in this for the pleasure or until I get bored, so don't expect anything more from me."

 

It's entirely possible that they thought you were a great guy who would make a good husband, until you told them that you were going to make a point of being unreliable in the long term.

 

I'm not telling you that you should trust indiscriminately, but you might consider the idea that you are more likely to attract trustworthy women if you yourself are trustworthy (and by your own words - you aren't).

They could also have been disappointed because it meant he wasn't a sucker they could draw gifts and cash out of. Not having been there or known the people in question, I don't feel entirely justified in making an assumption about their character either way.

I find it interesting, though, that he's being faulted for being open and up front with the women. He didn't hide anything. He didn't pretend not to have baggage. He didn't promise them the moon. He told them straight out how he viewed things. They were given the knowledge to make an informed decision about what they wanted to do with the relationship; give it up, continue it for now, work on it to possibly make it stronger, or any combination of the above.

He said he would end the relationship when it felt over to him and gave them the same ability. He didn't say he'd cheat on them and didn't imply anything but that when the time came he would end it by telling them it was over. I won't claim what he did painted him as reliable, but it wasn't untrustworthy so much as just a truth they didn't want to hear.

I didn't mean so much his solution or even his personal inability to trust is wrong.  More his assessment of the world and people at large.  I just think that overall, there are actually a lot of good, trustworthy people in the world, and a lot of people who do make commitments and live happily and cherish each other.  I think it's wrong to overlook and devalue those people, and it will make a person unnecessarily sad if they don't realize they're there.

Those good happy people aren't particularly more likely to be all traditionalist.  It's not the lack of "family values" or whatnot that is the problem.  What I do think is there's a problem in our era with materialism; when the market is king and the dollar rules all, it seems OK for everyone to be for sale.  We know the price of everything and the value of nothing, as the fellow said.  People who buy into all that . . . it does bad things to them. 

But look at us here, squealing over a nice little bit of vanilla romance.  Tons of people just here on Batoto read masses of manga looking for that simple, solid, sappy emotion; we understand its value.  Lots of other people do too.  Many people can be trusted, many people are ethical, positive, generous, loving.  Even if, like my wife of 18 years now, they've been divorced.  If your life has whacked you in the face a lot you might not be in a good position to find those people, which sucks.  But I think there is still some comfort in realizing that there are people different from the ones that have hosed you in the past.

See, 'Wrong' is a bit too firm (judgmental) way of putting it for me. His assessment of the world at large was that he couldn't trust, not that there were no trustworthy people. I think you're a little too strongly attached to that. He said that he can't trust and because he can't trust he can't fully commit to anyone. He pointed out with some validity that the prevalence of divorce and the ease with which it can be attained has devalued the words 'til death do you part' into just a phrase. 

That's probably where you and I are at cross purposes. I am looking at what he said, what he described of his feelings, and the situation he's in. You seem to be more interested in reacting to what you feel he asserted about 'everyone' and in particular people who have been divorced. Defending those people as being decent people was a key element of both of the posts of yours that I have commented on.

I don't want to argue 'trustworthiness' because it is a relative, not an objective trait. People who are trustworthy with some things are not necessarily trustworthy with others. People you can trust to be there for you in a pinch you may not be able to trust to pick you up on time for an appointment. The things that make one person trustworthy to another are both individual elements and the way two people's viewpoints match up as a whole so it's entirely possible for two completely decent, upstanding people not to be able to trust each other even without bringing reasonable trust issues into the mix.

To me Jackson Boo's post could be paraphrased as a longing for a simpler ideal of marriage and a statement for both why he longed for it, the contrast with his experiences with family and relationships, and why he didn't think he would ever find it, the 'damage' from those same relationships. I don't see any need to attack him for it and I sympathize with the emotion that caused him to post; Gochin and his rabbit-admiring wife were adorable in that scene.

Hm. Can I just say that the likely reason they were disappointed is that they interpreted your words to mean "I don't care enough about you to do the hard work of committing to a relationship through thick and thin. I'm just in this for the pleasure or until I get bored, so don't expect anything more from me."

He probably knows that.  It's hard to shake the hurt from early upbringing though--don't forget Jackson Boo didn't just have a couple bad relationships, he had jerk-ass parents.  Trusting, even if you really should or need to and the other person actually is trustworthy, isn't as easy as saying to yourself "I will trust". 

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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What's this pink puddle of goo doing here? Oh, right, it's my melting heart.

oh my, where did all this wall text come from all the sudden...

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mmhh.. all I want to add is.. (from someone who's never been officially in a relationship)

as Purple Library Guy said.. if 50% doesn't work, that means 50% work.. Losing trust in others and falling into depression will only hurt yourself and to noone's benefit.

And conflicts are better early than late, hurts much less.

 

Nowadays for me relationships are just temporary and love is a fleeting thing.  I've literally told several girls, you can break up with me anytime you want, feel no pressure from it, because I won't regardless.  I've also noticed they get disappointed when I say this, but I just can't trust women anymore.  

 

Hm. Can I just say that the likely reason they were disappointed is that they interpreted your words to mean "I don't care enough about you to do the hard work of committing to a relationship through thick and thin. I'm just in this for the pleasure or until I get bored, so don't expect anything more from me."

It's entirely possible that they thought you were a great guy who would make a good husband, until you told them that you were going to make a point of being unreliable in the long term.

I'm not telling you that you should trust indiscriminately, but you might consider the idea that you are more likely to attract trustworthy women if you yourself are trustworthy (and by your own words - you aren't).

This page hit me surprisingly hard =)

my $0.02 on relationships: if you are being cheated on, it means you are looking for the wrong thing. When you are past puberty, relationships don't have to revolve around the bedroom (kitchen, dining room table, yoga studio, parked car, or odd stall in a public restroom...). First learn how to be happy on your own, then find somebody who can be happy about the same things.

I didn't mean so much his solution or even his personal inability to trust is wrong.  More his assessment of the world and people at large.  I just think that overall, there are actually a lot of good, trustworthy people in the world, and a lot of people who do make commitments and live happily and cherish each other.  I think it's wrong to overlook and devalue those people, and it will make a person unnecessarily sad if they don't realize they're there.

Those good happy people aren't particularly more likely to be all traditionalist.  It's not the lack of "family values" or whatnot that is the problem.  What I do think is there's a problem in our era with materialism; when the market is king and the dollar rules all, it seems OK for everyone to be for sale.  We know the price of everything and the value of nothing, as the fellow said.  People who buy into all that . . . it does bad things to them. 

But look at us here, squealing over a nice little bit of vanilla romance.  Tons of people just here on Batoto read masses of manga looking for that simple, solid, sappy emotion; we understand its value.  Lots of other people do too.  Many people can be trusted, many people are ethical, positive, generous, loving.  Even if, like my wife of 18 years now, they've been divorced.  If your life has whacked you in the face a lot you might not be in a good position to find those people, which sucks.  But I think there is still some comfort in realizing that there are people different from the ones that have hosed you in the past.

Sounds like you've had some harsh experiences.  So your pessimism is understandable.  But still wrong, I think.  There's room for an assessment somewhere in the middle.  Just because marriage is no longer a yoke binding people in eternal servitude doesn't mean commitment is impossible.  Just, I'm not religious but to borrow a religious comparison, as Jesus said about the Sabbath, marital commitment is made for people, people are not made to serve the marital commitment. 

People are imperfect; sometimes they're damn fools.  Some of them are scumbuckets.  So they often get married to absolutely the wrong person, and in the case of my wife it is an absolutely important thing that she was able to ditch her previous husband, who was sucking the vitality out of her and screwing up their children.  Does that mean she couldn't commit to me?  It means no such thing.  If anything she's dedicated more to us because she knows the difference between a loving relationship that nurtures and strengthens us both, and a destructive relationship where she was being broken down by someone who can only be up by pushing others down.  I know nobody with more integrity.

So anyhow, I think you're overly pessimistic--driven to it, but still.  Have some hope, old bean.  If 50% of marriages end in divorce--that means 50% don't, even with no coercive institution forcing them to stick.  Pretty good really.

Hmm.

You know, when you're trying to suggest that someone needs to step back, take a breath, calm down, and re-evaluate their perspective it helps if you're being reasonable as well. The sort of post-modern Women's Studies textbook screed against the 'classical institution of marriage' didn't really help to get your message across. 

I think you were right in describing him as having some pretty rough experiences. I don't know that I'd call his experiences particularly uncommon for either gender. These days there does seem to be a lot of cheating going on, and it is condoned to a degree that's startling. I can think of several times I was standing in a shopping line and 'treated' to the privilege of hearing some woman on her phone casually discussing her extra-marital affair, her friends' extramarital affairs, and the fact that the other parties in many of the affairs were married themselves. So I wouldn't feel comfortable going so far as to call his solution 'wrong'.

It's his solution, it's what he needed to do and what worked for him. I don't really think that judging him for that while telling him that he should be more accepting of the fact that others are imperfect is really fair or an example of practicing what is being preached. Maybe there is room for a better experience, maybe there isn't. But he'll find that out in his own time and I don't think a fifty-fifty chance looks like very good odds to someone with a lot of bad, painful experiences. It's the gambler's fallacy to think you're due just because you've lost repeatedly which is why at fifty-fifty odds you're just as likely to lose the next time as to win. And when you just can't handle another loss, the winning move is not to play.

Someone remind me why this ended in 8th Volume.

That last chapter just made me wanted to beg Shuisha to turn this into anime.

Ahhh...  good ol' tasty romantic vanilla goodness.  Makes me want to go out and find some ice cream...

Damn...reading this manga, I wish I had been born a couple hundred years back, when marriage was thought to be eternal and husbands and wives had a bond for which they stayed together regardless of difficulties and hardships in their lives.  That panel of Shino's and Gosuke's hands really stabbed me in the heart.

 

I've gotten cheated on so many times, I can't face a 100% committed relationship, nor look into a woman's eyes and genuinely believe what they tell me.

Sounds like you've had some harsh experiences.  So your pessimism is understandable.  But still wrong, I think.  There's room for an assessment somewhere in the middle.  Just because marriage is no longer a yoke binding people in eternal servitude doesn't mean commitment is impossible.  Just, I'm not religious but to borrow a religious comparison, as Jesus said about the Sabbath, marital commitment is made for people, people are not made to serve the marital commitment. 

People are imperfect; sometimes they're damn fools.  Some of them are scumbuckets.  So they often get married to absolutely the wrong person, and in the case of my wife it is an absolutely important thing that she was able to ditch her previous husband, who was sucking the vitality out of her and screwing up their children.  Does that mean she couldn't commit to me?  It means no such thing.  If anything she's dedicated more to us because she knows the difference between a loving relationship that nurtures and strengthens us both, and a destructive relationship where she was being broken down by someone who can only be up by pushing others down.  I know nobody with more integrity.

So anyhow, I think you're overly pessimistic--driven to it, but still.  Have some hope, old bean.  If 50% of marriages end in divorce--that means 50% don't, even with no coercive institution forcing them to stick.  Pretty good really.

Damn...reading this manga, I wish I had been born a couple hundred years back, when marriage was thought to be eternal and husbands and wives had a bond for which they stayed together regardless of difficulties and hardships in their lives.  That panel of Shino's and Gosuke's hands really stabbed me in the heart.

I've gotten cheated on so many times, I can't face a 100% committed relationship, nor look into a woman's eyes and genuinely believe what they tell me.

Nowadays for me relationships are just temporary and love is a fleeting thing.  I've literally told several girls, you can break up with me anytime you want, feel no pressure from it, because I won't regardless.  I've also noticed they get disappointed when I say this, but I just can't trust women anymore.  Not with the way I grew up in a dysfunctional family in which my father never trusted his money-extorting wife and my personal two significant relationships in which the girls literally smiled in front of me without any remorse about their two timing or three timing.

Marriage is so bogus and the phrase, "till death do us apart," is the biggest farce in our current society. 

Divorce is so prevalent in our world today, there is no remorse nor shame in doing so, and people have no sense of pride in maintaining traditional family values. 

I've literally had a girl ask me out then tell me she was divorced out of the blue without any hesitation.  It was so disturbing that I took her out to the DC zoo, treated her to a nice restaurant in Chinatown, exchanged couple kisses, dropped her off at her apartment and resisted going inside, and never ever replied back to her dozens of texts and calls.

I hate conservatives by nature, but our current world and the values we have set forth are classless and shallow.

...And now, I apologize for venting like a pathetic woman.

dem feels T_T

That's right, motherfucker. You go ahead and take to the air, but be warned, for the sky is where the rabbit goes to murder. The moon is where he feeds on your corpse.

You should make music...... about rabbits and other small creatures

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but this is the last volume ;_;

Oh is it? So the main story has ended? =s

Was hoping for more, but I guess that's that =)

Please please please have a dramatic "make me your apprentice" scene between shino and mom

Comedy arc incoming!