High-School DxD

Even though I can concede to point #3, it doesn't change the fact there's absolutely no reason for everyone not to be a "pawn", why not take the role which allows you to be everything? Why limit yourself? The entire system is just an unimaginative,  literal-application rip-off.
As for the the rest of the points are non-sequitur. #1 is a speculation and #2 is an inference.

But....None of that really matters. Those inferences are merely a chunk of many, none of what you wrote changes the bigger-picture, all of these criteria exist to "merit" the plot into its course -- which is fine by itself -- but that's issue I tend to have with these sort of series': the very plot which tries to merit itself on to the stage, is a rotten tomato. As I said, this manga has no idea if it wants to be DBZ or To Love Ru.
The manga plays more like Super Sentai than it plays its tits & ass. It plays like a children's cartoon more than it plays like something a young-adult / teenager would read, yet it still contains content which is "inappropriate for children" in addition to its attempt to feature "oh cruel world so macabre" content which furthers throws any form of focus way off course.

If the LN is like that as well, juvenile with over the top crap that screams DEM at every given opportunity, it merely means I have a better understanding of what makes LNs popular in Japan.
That being said, the only thing one can truly infer from this entire debacle is my argumentative habit, herp.
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Because not everyone suits to be a pawn, those who have good amount of demonic force are more effective to be a bishop type. Not all characters are well rounded., The chess piece is quite useful so that the revived know what kind of powers he/she needs to focus on, whether it is agility, strenght, or magical power instead of forcing themself to max all stats. Besides if you just revive someone and give them the same power like everyone else, there are those who have more proficient in one stat are not able to maximize what he/she is good at.

The point of number two is not just an inference, it's what you call "world building", will you state some arguments why you called it that instead of just "herpaderp rotten tomato" or "herpaderp it's not so important"

A good story needs some speculation, that's why the point number one exists.

Yeah, because you are the guy who knows everything like what?? by just reading like 15 chaps??.

1. One of the speculations why God of Bible created Sacred Gears is to give the humans some additional power to combat beings like demons, fallen angels, and other mythological creatures. The exploitation of SG's is something that God did not foresee

2. It's three way war you know. Demon vs Fallen Angels vs Angels, so no, making Angels fall has nothing to do with strenghtening Hell forces (Is there even Hell forces in this series? lol). Besides, falling system is a surefire to deal with traitors and heretics angels.

3. LOL, no that's not how it works. what you stated is only a rule exists in Rating Game. In the real battlefield the pawns could promote anywhere and anytime as long as his/her king allows it.

 

You want some character progressions and bla bla bla?? Read the freakin LN first.

Even though I can concede to point #3, it doesn't change the fact there's absolutely no reason for everyone not to be a "pawn", why not take the role which allows you to be everything? Why limit yourself? The entire system is just an unimaginative,  literal-application rip-off.
As for the the rest of the points are non-sequitur. #1 is a speculation and #2 is an inference.

But....None of that really matters. Those inferences are merely a chunk of many, none of what you wrote changes the bigger-picture, all of these criteria exist to "merit" the plot into its course -- which is fine by itself -- but that's issue I tend to have with these sort of series': the very plot which tries to merit itself on to the stage, is a rotten tomato. As I said, this manga has no idea if it wants to be DBZ or To Love Ru.
The manga plays more like Super Sentai than it plays its tits & ass. It plays like a children's cartoon more than it plays like something a young-adult / teenager would read, yet it still contains content which is "inappropriate for children" in addition to its attempt to feature "oh cruel world so macabre" content which furthers throws any form of focus way off course.

If the LN is like that as well, juvenile with over the top crap that screams DEM at every given opportunity, it merely means I have a better understanding of what makes LNs popular in Japan.
That being said, the only thing one can truly infer from this entire debacle is my argumentative habit, herp.
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The following is an exaggerated angry rant for yer entertainment :
This manga was on my list of "It's apparently popular so let's check it out", and I have to say... There's nothing special or interesting about this story..
It's mediocre at best.

I have no idea how the Light-novel fare, but almost nothing in the plot really makes sense.

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There are SO MANY THINGS that fail horribly in this setting, I'll just list the few that come to mind first: 
"Special people are granted the divine-gear", Why. And what makes them special? And why on earth would anyone even seal or grant any human super natural powers that can so obviously be exploited, as they were? (Ashia temporarily losing her powers to Yuuma, the fallen angel)
"Fallen-angels were cast out of Heaven to earth and Hell....And then were hunted by Heaven" : so, essentially, god banished the angels. And then went : "Whoops! Fuck! Guys, we need to kill these guys, not banish them!" -- what kind of intelligent existence would INCREASE HELL'S POWER BY ADDING FALLING-ANGELS TO IT?
The Chess analogies. Seriously, nobody found this to be either eerie or incredibly stupid?
"you can change your unit type when you're at the enemy-territory desu"?
Life-and-death scenarios are transformed into childish pajama board-game funtime. I would rather believe that it's like that on purpose, that the devils designed their entire combat and servitude system with a childish set of rules due to some sadistic boredom. But that will put the entire war-story into a really stupid angle (why annihilate yourself with childish boardgame rules for your army when you can literally do everything other than that?) 

There are many other stupid crap, but they're bound within shounen-logic. Which is nothing horrible, but the moment said shounen-genre is at the center of the stage with ridiculously childish deus-ex-machina "Oooh I'm Boosting Up with my extremely marketable gauntlet it's out for 29.99$ buy now kids oohhh!!", the point of the entire story loses its focus. Is this an ecchi manga or a power-fantasy shounen manga? It's like this story has no idea if it wants to be DragonBall Z or To Love-Ru. I don't care for a story to have horribly egregious holes in it, but for the very least : decide on what you're selling! Tits or Saturday-morning-cartoon for children.
Really, is the whole  "oh but battles" crap nobody gives a fuck about, with infinite amount of bullshit deus-ex-machina as if it was copying DBZ, really necessary to instigate a harem? Relationships between characters? the little character and personality this story has is lost within the absurdity of the protagonist's battles.

Instead of having somewhat amusing interactions, we get nigh impossibly uncreative combat-system which takes a board-game way too fucking literally. I almost felt like I was reading excerpts from Yugioh.
I really don't see any merit for this manga to be on the top 10 here on Batoto....It's just your everyday shounen-ecchi stupid manga, which is okay on its own, but its popularity is almost alarming. It makes me wonder how different is the manga from the LN?

Edit: Hah, just as I sent that comment, Batoto's popular-series' got itself updated, with DxD nowhere to be seen. Touche', Batoto.

1. One of the speculations why God of Bible created Sacred Gears is to give the humans some additional power to combat beings like demons, fallen angels, and other mythological creatures. The exploitation of SG's is something that God did not foresee

2. It's three way war you know. Demon vs Fallen Angels vs Angels, so no, making Angels fall has nothing to do with strenghtening Hell forces (Is there even Hell forces in this series? lol). Besides, falling system is a surefire to deal with traitors and heretics angels.

3. LOL, no that's not how it works. what you stated is only a rule exists in Rating Game. In the real battlefield the pawns could promote anywhere and anytime as long as his/her king allows it.

You want some character progressions and bla bla bla?? Read the freakin LN first.

The following is an exaggerated angry rant for yer entertainment :
This manga was on my list of "It's apparently popular so let's check it out", and I have to say... There's nothing special or interesting about this story..
It's mediocre at best.

I have no idea how the Light-novel fare, but almost nothing in the plot really makes sense.

Yeah. Tho season 1 was quite a mess.
But starting from Vol. 6 of the LN (which may be covered the next season) the awesomeness starts to explode quite exponentially. 
And at it's currently translated volume (Vol. 17) you'll just laugh at how weak they were in the current anime. Haha

really cuz i thought season 1 of the anime was fucking awesome the only bad thing is that english dub didn't do the OVAs or the specials.

I have never read the LN mostly cuz i don't have the time or care to do so but both the manga and anime are pretty solid and people do say they both follow the LN pretty closely.

Yeah. Tho season 1 was quite a mess.
But starting from Vol. 6 of the LN (which may be covered the next season) the awesomeness starts to explode quite exponentially. 
And at it's currently translated volume (Vol. 17) you'll just laugh at how weak they were in the current anime. Haha

Honestly. I keep meaning to watch the anime. I just can't bring myself to do so. Probably because I've read the entirety of the LN that's been translated so far.

Haven't read the Manga version at all either.

I have never read the LN mostly cuz i don't have the time or care to do so but both the manga and anime are pretty solid and people do say they both follow the LN pretty closely.

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How many volumes of the novel did the anime covered?

How many volumes of the novel did the anime covered?

And I can totally understand that. You are entitled to your taste. I'm an Art person too and I love chibi. Just please be mindful about your language and tone next time. One can appreciate all modes of the media differently. That's the point of having different modes.

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It's just that I focus on the 'storytelling' which includes plot progression, characterization and pacing. If one mode of media fails in that aspect, then it looks bad for the other modes as well due to audience gap. Some series are so great, but just one mode of it can ruin it in the minds of others forever. Like for me with this series. Like I said, I only got into this series because of the LNs, and I used to avoid the manga version, fearing it was the same as the anime(where I was proven wrong) Only after reading the LNs was I truly able to appreciate both the anime and the manga. I got so connected to the characters and events that I wanted to get into all the modes. And as mentioned, it didn't fall into 'terrible', meaning that it was still a great anime. Only problem was what the anime team decided to focus on. If that was just slightly altered, they could have left a few details unchanged, thereby given better pacing, and thus provide a more enriching experience. This aspect might become a problem in future arcs where details really matter over simple ogling. There is buildup that a LN or manga mode can convey properly, but where an anime that is desperate for time, might not be able to attempt.

 

But on topic, if you want a 'very' similar series, with daresay, 'more' ero content than this, and an accurate visual intepretation then

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Dakara boku wa H ga Dekinai. It is one series where regardless of mode, high ero is essential. That is not the case for DxD. DxD has a lot more depth going for it and volumes are much longer. Dakara relies on developing everything through uncomfortable ero and the world isn't as big either. Very similar alright, but not as complex. Number of characters is significantly less as well. Some might argue with this, but the way I see it, Dakara was going greatly on ecchi harem tropes rather than actual progression. In DxD, the harem evolves with the exceptional progression of the writing and gets a decent insight into things. Even in places that get you frustrated, you get some depth into why that is so frustrating instead of usual half-assed trope reasons.

yeah i read that series tho i was a bit disappointed with the ending I know the LN is suppose to be good but i was a bit disappointed with anime a but it had good animation and dubbing but it didn't follow the manga that much kind of like rosario vampire which lets face it the 2nd season of the anime was fapping material essentially.

well see i didn't see the anime first i got into the manga first and didn't know about it having an anime version til about 2 years ago mainly cuz the slow translating of this manga i ended up drifting to many manga. Now i have recently read some of the LN i still think the anime and manga did a better job but thats cuz im more of a visual type of a person. The reason i perfer anime if done well which this one was because when I can put a voice especially when dub it makes it so that when reading either the manga or LN  I can actually put more emotion into those two especially with the LN which really needs it. but to digress I'm an art person so seeing manga or anime is more appealing to me plus im a sucker for any of the girls when they are in their chibi modes.

And I can totally understand that. You are entitled to your taste. I'm an Art person too and I love chibi. Just please be mindful about your language and tone next time. One can appreciate all modes of the media differently. That's the point of having different modes.

But on topic, if you want a 'very' similar series, with daresay, 'more' ero content than this, and an accurate visual intepretation then

Tbh I never had that issue. Ishibumi is excellent at description. And on the topic of Voice Acting, I have little issue. One of the main reasons I watch certain anime is due to voice acting and animation, even if art and story are a shit spectacle. 
 

Ignoring your rude remarks, let me get one thing clear, I am ALWAYS happy for an anime or manga that outshines the LN(or any original source equivalent).

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You see, I too find it easier to read something with lots of visuals than just text. So your statement is highly generalized. Whenever I feel nostalgic about a series, you know what I do? Think of rewatching the anime instead of reading the LNs. Why? Cause I appreciate them for different reasons and an anime certainly provides different aesthetic factors from a novel. Which is why I am conflicted. I am more emotionally attached to the LN storytelling, but I am also attached to the animation, VA, music and colour of the other. For certain series, I have bought both the LNs AND the manga version but not the anime because anime either sucked or was not available. Similarly, if I find an anime that improves upon the original source, I don't buy the original source. Quite simple.
 
It is indeed Boob centric. Entire chapters are devoted to boobs in this series. But the LN doesn't allude to them at every single interval outside of Issei's observations. The anime basically uses it only as a way to keep people looking at the screen. I have personally asked some people who claimed they loved the DxD anime(without reading the manga even) and guess how many of them could tell me how the story went? With all the complicated Devil-Angel systems and technologies. They didn't even bother using wikipedia to answer it. They just gave me the basic outline you could hear from a toddler. I know that is also generalizing(because intelligence of the said questioned is questionable), but that's how the series is made to appeal. True, this may change as the anime gets into the real deep stuff, but the established mentality of anime fans isn't really gonna be changed. They expect fan service more than they expect any real action or progression.
 
And emotions? That is just plain wrong. Unless you mean the sounds of shouting, background art and the animation of tears that may or may not look stupid depending on animation team, I don't see the point. I feel emotion the same way regardless of what media it is. It depends on the skill of the creators. I've cried at certain points while reading novels and I cried at the exact points in their visual interpretations(even Harry Potter to give a prominent example). Granted, we maybe two different people but you yourself stated you are an avid reader.

TL;DR I don't think the LNs are the supreme thing. What I do think is that the unedited, unaltered source is supreme unless an adaptation can prove that its own style rivals or excels the original it was adapted from. And the DxD anime falls short of this.

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I am painfully aware that some people appreciate anime(or anything equivalent) by themselves without comparing and I do too, for some series anyway, but when I see people claiming to have seen the same series when they have in fact seen a very different version from others present, I only feel there to be a gap.

 

For example, let me bring up this scenario.

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Original version - 'A' hates 'B'. 'A' wishes 'B' would just leave. 'B' sticks around anyway and teases 'A'. In time, 'A' realizes that 'B' has better things to do than just stay around like that. 'B' has slowly been giving experiences and knowledge to 'A' apart from teasing. 'B' decides that 'A' can fend for themselves and leaves unannounced. 'A' finds out 'B' has left, but instead of feeling glad like in the beginning, instead feels lonely, even though others are present. 'A' goes after 'B'. 'B' is worried that 'A' has become too dependent and leaves again, this time to a more unreachable place. 'A' undergoes hardship and finds 'B', proving that they are plenty independent and thus 'B' once again decides to stick with 'A'. End.

 

Edited Adaptation - Pretty much everything except maybe it feeling way more rushed, the experiences and knowledge being more random, and thus possibly making the loneliness seem out of place given all the annoyance 'A' felt. Then later, hardships of 'A' are lessened and reaches 'B' more easily and 'B' seemingly gives in without much effort.

 

This is just a random example I cooked up, but you get the basic gist of it. I'm not saying this kind of thing applies to everything out there or even applies to DxD, but it applies to quite a few. The basic story is the very same, but the impact is very different. Sure, other factors can help improve the adaptation, but sometimes that loss of those small touches of the original, completely change the level of emotion created. Instead of feeling that refreshing reward of lengthy struggle, you get a considerably sweet but slightly more cliche instance.

The emotion and level of immersion I felt in the DxD LNs, I did not feel in the anime to that extent. The manga supplied a much better amount but still fell short of the raw power of the LN.

For a good example of what I am trying to clarify,

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take Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo. The anime is simply divine and hits you right at the core and in a great way, The LNs are considerably different and slightly difficult to read. I still like them, but I felt the anime tried the hardest to establish emotions. Animation and music were top notch as well. Another more cliche example would be The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. The anime was god-tier and I say that as a person that survived the dreaded 'Endless Eight' which imho was quite an anime marvel if you stuck through it all. A 'bad' example would be either Shakugan no Shana or Zero no Tsukaima or even Oreimo. Don't get me wrong, I love watching those anime. Great art, animation and sound, but I felt the novels had far greater storytelling element which was evident as I felt empty at points when watching the anime but not when reading the LNs. This was proven when some characters were misunderstood by anime-only fans while those that read the LNs felt far more sympathy. Again, depends on person, but since I watched the anime first, I think I can safely say. Be mindful that I only used 'bad'. There is also a 'terrible' category which we will not speak of. Luckily DxD didn't completely tip into that category because it still has great art, animation, VA and music going for it. If one thinks it is impossible for an anime adaptation to not have these factors to make it good, then one will be surprised.

well see i didn't see the anime first i got into the manga first and didn't know about it having an anime version til about 2 years ago mainly cuz the slow translating of this manga i ended up drifting to many manga. Now i have recently read some of the LN i still think the anime and manga did a better job but thats cuz im more of a visual type of a person. The reason i perfer anime if done well which this one was because when I can put a voice especially when dub it makes it so that when reading either the manga or LN  I can actually put more emotion into those two especially with the LN which really needs it. but to digress I'm an art person so seeing manga or anime is more appealing to me plus im a sucker for any of the girls when they are in their chibi modes.

While I agree with you on the LN and the anime, I must admit if there's one thing I enjoy that isn't the LN it's the manga. This is because the things I can't vision myself are given images. Now someone may ask "why not watch the anime?" Because with anime I have to listen to someone who's voice may not sound right for the character

Tbh I never had that issue. Ishibumi is excellent at description. And on the topic of Voice Acting, I have little issue. One of the main reasons I watch certain anime is due to voice acting and animation, even if art and story are a shit spectacle. 
 

nothing worse than the idiots who think the LN are the supreme thing lol. sorry but i like to see something more than just words I still go with this anime/manga > LN, any day of the week. see with the anime/manga we get emotions, voices, movement that the LN misses a lot. but oh the LN has less ecchi when these idiots fail to realize this manga is pretty boob centric as is the manga gives us steady ones and the anime give us bouncy heaven pillows. knowledge is a very evil power about future things.

Ignoring your rude remarks, let me get one thing clear, I am ALWAYS happy for an anime or manga that outshines the LN(or any original source equivalent).

Does it mean something when this development feels less rushed than the anime even though it spanned relatively few panels? O_o
 
I felt it took a more decent time in the LNs but then again, the DxD LNs are special in their writing. One of the few series where the anime adaptation barely manages to cover just a couple volumes and even then has to resort to excessive fan service as selling point.
 
I've said this time and time again, but the LNs are just divine. I would have condemned this series due to the anime, if not for the LNs. And the only issue I have with the LNs is due to the publishing company and not the author, so I can safely say it is one of my favourites.

Does it mean something when this development feels less rushed than the anime even though it spanned relatively few panels? O_o

I felt it took a more decent time in the LNs but then again, the DxD LNs are special in their writing. One of the few series where the anime adaptation barely manages to cover just a couple volumes and even then has to resort to excessive fan service as selling point.

I've said this time and time again, but the LNs are just divine. I would have condemned this series due to the anime, if not for the LNs. And the only issue I have with the LNs is due to the publishing company and not the author, so I can safely say it is one of my favourites.

actually they are not censored at all i have all the official ones that are out so suck on that when its more than 4 chapters a year maybe lol. At this point it doesn't matter really cuz its not like i don't know whats gonna happen since I own both seasons of the anime I know what happens next for quite a while depending on their speed.

Can't you just be grateful that they're translating it?

Official translations of manga like HS DxD are usually censored.

actually they are not censored at all i have all the official ones that are out so suck on that when its more than 4 chapters a year maybe lol. At this point it doesn't matter really cuz its not like i don't know whats gonna happen since I own both seasons of the anime I know what happens next for quite a while depending on their speed.

good to see you again old friend.

Please, someone can give me a summary of what happened in the NL ?

well how much of a summary do you want..from the manga to the end of the anime(not counting season 3, since it's not out yet)? Or all the way through LN volumes o-0.....

who is the loli girl on the cover ?

yeah but 4 chapters only this year thats kinda of needing a bit of pick up cuz soon the official one will catch up cuz vol 4 is coming out in late feb then in may for vol 5.so it not like you guys have not enough time just saying becareful before it gets to the point that the official is about to or will surpass you in translate chaps.

Can't you just be grateful that they're translating it?

Official translations of manga like HS DxD are usually censored.

So much people arguing and complaining... =.= Can't y'all just enjoy what you're given? (For free, might I add?)

As one video game once put it: "Be patient with your greed..."

yeah but 4 chapters only this year thats kinda of needing a bit of pick up cuz soon the official one will catch up cuz vol 4 is coming out in late feb then in may for vol 5.so it not like you guys have not enough time just saying becareful before it gets to the point that the official is about to or will surpass you in translate chaps.

Way to show appreciation...

Even if it were to lack behind official translation there's still a lot of people who can either not afford or access them. Also from my personal experience the official translation tends to be worse.