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Gun & Girls


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Author: Nyann
Artist: Nyann
Genres: Action ActionComedy ComedySchool Life School LifeSlice of Life Slice of LifeWebtoon Webtoon
Type: Manga (Japanese)
Status: Ongoing
Description: This is what you'd get if K-ON was not about cute girls doing cute things in a light music club, but cute girls doing cute things in an FPS game club.
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Man, only three chapters ~_~

Mweh, will follow I guess.

@atgc

I remember playing the first Splinter Cell on PC. Man, using the mouse wheel to regulate Sam's speed was the most retarded thing I've seen in a long time. Switching between running and sneaking was slow and uncomfortable.

A keyboard only has one advantage over a gamepad; it's got tons of keys. WASD is definitely not more precise than ABXY, or are you telling me one is more binary than the other?

But yes, if all you care about is shooting everything that moves, an analog stick has absolutely no value.

 

 

No, you can't get the hardware of a console at the same price; talk about being uninformed @gamerman191.

Do I see a PC mainboard anywhere on the market, where the GPU can be mounted right next to the CPU and can share it's RAM without any penalty in speed or latency with the CPU? And I'm not talking about IGP, unless you honestly wish to tell me an Intel HD 5000 is more powerful than the graphics component of the current gen's APU's.

 

About my interest in mods: at least I'm not some hypocrite who claims to be interested in mods for extra content, when he hasn't seen even 30% of what Skyrim has to offer without mods, which happens to be true for over 60% of all Skyrim players, according to Steam's achievement statistics.

 

 

By the way, what is it you guys are trying to achieve here, talking about console vs. PC?

This is a webcomic about high school girls playing FPS on smartphones. Not a reality-show about people playing FPS on consoles.

So why compare apples to bananas, when the whole thing is about cherries?

It is of course not a FPS but Skyrim without mods and without the console to a ) iron out at least a share of the numerous bugs and b ) set up ridiculous fights between 80 archers, 2 elder dragons and 15 giants? No thanks, I'll take the PC version, thank you :P

That much I'll agree at least.

@Gnah
I respect your opinion, but your arguments are fairly biased.
1) Gamepads have their own kind of speed and precision handling. Since their buttons are designed to be pressed using thumbs, they are much harder to press and have a much shorter travel distance than a keyboard's. I rarely miss an input because I release my keyboard's key too soon, but it happens nonetheless; it never happens to me with a gamepad, though. That, and a gamepad has 4 precision inputs (2 analog sticks and 2 analog triggers), as opposed to keyboards (0) and mice (1).
2) I would argue that gamepads allow for a different kind of control complexity too. Gamepads are simply more comfortable to use than keyboards (don't tell me using wasd + shift is more comfortable than an analog stick + another button, that's just silly). As such, gamepads can make use of more complicated control layouts without completely freaking the gamer out. This would require a more careful approach on a PC (should we map "use" to "u", or to "e"?).
 
PS: You can use gamepads on a PC, and keyboard & mouse on a console; Unreal Tournament for PS3 supports those, by the way.
 
About the hardware aspect...
Nah, if you really have to talk about that, you obviously don't get the point of a console.
Besides, most of the times, upgrading is either too expensive or expansive, or simply not worth it. If you want to upgrade your CPU after 3 years, you'll have to upgrade your mainboard as well, since that new CPU won't fit in your antiquated socket, and with a new mainboard you might need to buy new RAM modules too; if you want to upgrade your GPU, it'll either be bottlenecked by your old CPU, or your lacking bandwidth.
 
But I agree that missing modability is a huge inconvenience. However, to be honest, I only mod my games for 2 reasons.
1) To make those ugly characters beautiful.
2) Nude & Sex mods.
None of both are a deal breaker to me, really (except in the case of The Elder Scrolls; why can't they make any decent looking NPCs?)


You forget that there have been games that have matched up PC players with gamepad players. Shadowrun was playable on both the xbox 360 and PC and the player could play vs each other. Even with all of the nerfs PC players got like slower turn speed and almost lock on for the xbox players, PC players completed dominated the game. In any shooter where keyboard players are matched up vs gamepad players keyboard just is better for shooters.

Plus to say it's too expensive to upgrade is a PC is just uninformed. I can easily have a computer for less than a console that is more powerful than it, which enable new experiences with the additional power. And the key presses are easily fixed even if the devs map the buttons to stupid keybinds which can't be said if the devs choose stupid buttons on a gamepad.
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Talk about being biased. Pads are good for one thing, and that's the ergonomic aspect of a trigger. That's it. There's nothing a pad can do faster or more accurately than keyboard+mouse other than the trigger.

Once you get used to keyboards, they're just as comfortable, plus, wasd is definitely more accurate than a joystick. And don't get me started on the joystick vs mouse thing. Try playing Osu! with a joystick. Go ahead.

 

The point of a console? That is, to bring a gaming platform for those who can't build pc's? Consoles are more expensive for what you get. Nobody's forcing you to upgrade, and if you think that's expensive, then you probably never had a salary. Moreover, the inconvenient things you listed are more contrived than a schoolgirl falling on a main character with her crotch on his face. I can't find anything to say.

 

And really, your only interest in mods are nude and pretty face mods... just what do you seek to achieve there? That sounds like you're insulting yourself

 

Lastly, for the nazi thing, do know that eugenics was pretty in at the time, in most first world countries. The master race thing only has a very vague connotation to nazism in my book ; it's just a form of elitism.

It's a JOKE, about the fact that pc gamers tend to feel superior to console gamers. That's. It.

I wish this author had actual knowledge of how FPS games worked just like how the tabletop games series author had actual knowledge of how tabletop games worked. Sigh, disappointing.

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@Gnah

I respect your opinion, but your arguments are fairly biased.

1) Gamepads have their own kind of speed and precision handling. Since their buttons are designed to be pressed using thumbs, they are much harder to press and have a much shorter travel distance than a keyboard's. I rarely miss an input because I release my keyboard's key too soon, but it happens nonetheless; it never happens to me with a gamepad, though. That, and a gamepad has 4 precision inputs (2 analog sticks and 2 analog triggers), as opposed to keyboards (0) and mice (1).

2) I would argue that gamepads allow for a different kind of control complexity too. Gamepads are simply more comfortable to use than keyboards (don't tell me using wasd + shift is more comfortable than an analog stick + another button, that's just silly). As such, gamepads can make use of more complicated control layouts without completely freaking the gamer out. This would require a more careful approach on a PC (should we map "use" to "u", or to "e"?).

 

PS: You can use gamepads on a PC, and keyboard & mouse on a console; Unreal Tournament for PS3 supports those, by the way.

 

About the hardware aspect...

Nah, if you really have to talk about that, you obviously don't get the point of a console.

Besides, most of the times, upgrading is either too expensive or expansive, or simply not worth it. If you want to upgrade your CPU after 3 years, you'll have to upgrade your mainboard as well, since that new CPU won't fit in your antiquated socket, and with a new mainboard you might need to buy new RAM modules too; if you want to upgrade your GPU, it'll either be bottlenecked by your old CPU, or your lacking bandwidth.

 

But I agree that missing modability is a huge inconvenience. However, to be honest, I only mod my games for 2 reasons.

1) To make those ugly characters beautiful.

2) Nude & Sex mods.

None of both are a deal breaker to me, really (except in the case of The Elder Scrolls; why can't they make any decent looking NPCs?)

 

 

 

@Pax Empyrean

"We, the Aryan Master Race are superior to those dirty [insert ethnic group here] peasants. The world would be better off without them!"

 

Sure, that's nothing like the Nazi. Keep telling yourself that.

Ignorance is bliss, and you are a very happy person.

And here I thought humanity had learned from World War 2...

 

Am I really the only PC gamer who feels insulted by this "Master Race" bullshit for associating us to the Nazi? Seriously?

 

Oh well... Note to self: Nowadays, Nazi are cool.

Don't be a self-important twit. It's a tongue in cheek exaggeration of the superiority that PC gamers feel toward console gamers, not an exoneration of the freaking Nazis.

I remember when I played FPS as part of a circle.

Everyone knew everyone else, they played together on afternoons and nights, they insulted each other happily... Ye ol' good times.

 

Quake 3 Arena y Counter Strike Forever Locos!!!

It is not as if I myself play FPS that often. When I do I hardly care whether it is PC or console. It is merely a matter of taste and availability. Or performance for people who can actually discern well enough between the two(PC/Console).

There's two other huge reason's why I personally prefer the PC:

1) Precision. Mouse + Keyboard is simply far superior when it comes to precision and speed, especially when you combine the two. That's why many console shooters use some kind of snap-to-target feature so that players have it easier hitting things with the less precise controllers.

2) Complexity. There are only so many buttons on a controller. ArmA with a controller would be impossible or would have to lose a lot of features, unless you want to cram a lot of things in menus or reels, which would certainly kill a lot of fluidity and appeal of the game.

 

Especially that second point is where I constantly see a lot of dislike for consoles come from. Whenever you see a popular or at least anticipated PC game with a certain complexity getting the news that there is also a console adaption in the works you will also see a number of people express their fear that the game will be "dumbed down" because controllers can only cater to so many functions.

 

 

And of course, as a general thing, there is the whole tweaking thing on PC. If after three years, your PSU breaks down, you don't have to dump the whole PC in the trash. You just buy a new PSU for less than a hundred bucks. Same goes of course for upgrading.

 

Edit: And I nearly forgot: console and mods!

It is of course not a FPS but Skyrim without mods and without the console to a ) iron out at least a share of the numerous bugs and b ) set up ridiculous fights between 80 archers, 2 elder dragons and 15 giants? No thanks, I'll take the PC version, thank you :P

...of the chapter.

No, i mean.. chapter 1 & 2 both have "to be continue" while chapter 3 has " The End". that why i am asking.

You two clearly aren't very familiar with the setting, for the console-computer war has been raging on for years. Dirty console peasants trying to fight the pc-gaming master race, it is just a matter of time 'till their puny rebellion gets crushed by the might of the Rift.
 


It is not as if I myself play FPS that often. When I do I hardly care whether it is PC or console. It is merely a matter of taste and availability. Or performance for people who can actually discern well enough between the two(PC/Console).

Though I must say of the several FPS I've tried on a smartphone, most are unplayable(with ease that is). Then again it might simply be my noobness shining through.

"PC master race" is actually a joke about PC platform elitists. The Nazi comparison is deliberate; it's supposed to be poking fun at PC fanboys' tendency to rave about their platform's superiority.
As silly as it is for a massively popular first person shooter for smart phones to even exist, is it really necessary to whine about such a small, largely irrelevant part of the manga, guys?
As I mention, his/her words were uncalled for. The battle between Consoles and PCs can take place in another universe for all that matters.

That's the end? o.o

...of the chapter.

That's the end? o.o

inb4 CIS CS:GO teams start working together with Gun & Girls LOL

PC MUSTARD RACE

 

CONSOLE PEASANTS AVERT YOUR EYES 

Am I really the only PC gamer who feels insulted by this "Master Race" bullshit for associating us to the Nazi? Seriously?

Oh well... Note to self: Nowadays, Nazi are cool.


"PC master race" is actually a joke about PC platform elitists. The Nazi comparison is deliberate; it's supposed to be poking fun at PC fanboys' tendency to rave about their platform's superiority.

As silly as it is for a massively popular first person shooter for smart phones to even exist, is it really necessary to whine about such a small, largely irrelevant part of the manga, guys?

Not really an empire, no. More like this:

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And here I thought humanity had learned from World War 2...

 

Am I really the only PC gamer who feels insulted by this "Master Race" bullshit for associating us to the Nazi? Seriously?

 

Oh well... Note to self: Nowadays, Nazi are cool.

The animal costumes design remindd me alot of kakifly.

Would like to point out that most people using a pc to read this. Your pc(or anything else) is very likely built(90% or more) using parts developed or built in Asia, so show some respect!. Even your crappy Iphone and Mac :)

Let's not forget just many titles are created by Asian companies as well.

 

Unsure about Japan specifically but Korea is famous/infamous for having PC CafĂ©'s in which people(yea a minority not the whole country) spend all day doing nothing but gaming(even with subscription games like WoW). Hell every now and then you even get the reports that they died there after marathon sessions spanning a couple of days abandoning kids and neglecting work commitments and such.

 

Asian gamers are often hardcore to the extreme :)

 

Well as for the manga, I'm enjoying it, though I did feel trolled by the last part of chapter 2

pc gamers feels more like an empire (evil i might add) then a federation (for those wondering, im a pc gamer)

Not really an empire, no. More like this:

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this is getting off to a good start, but I think people judged it only on the prologue, glad I waited.

My guess is that "Big Sis" is TheThousandKiller. Of course, no proof of it, but she had a similar hairstyle.

 

Bullshit. Suspension of disbelief broken. Dropped.
 

Nobody with such a chuuni name is ever good. Maybe if she was killed by [Ganja]xXDubThuggXx I'd still be reading.

Imho, both kinda sound like someone in elementary/middle school came up with them, but that might just be because of me.

That sounds like a great story for neptunia, console kingdoms vs pc federation

pc gamers feels more like an empire (evil i might add) then a federation (for those wondering, im a pc gamer)


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