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#1852992 Batoto will be closing permanently

Posted by Grumpy on 07 January 2018 - 08:57 PM

Hello everyone.
 
Batoto will be closing down permanently.
 
I just don't have the will to run this site anymore. This is not a sudden decision for me or something I make lightly, it has been on my mind for a couple years now. And I've finally made my mind to put it into action.
 
I started Batoto along with the crew from The Company back in January of 2011 and it's been a very meaningful part of my life. I don't regret taking on this hobby called Batoto and I cherish the role that I've played as well as the countless hours everyone else here has put in as well as the great community that we've built. I've come to see this like my baby. At 7 years, I suppose it's not even a baby anymore. But it is at a point where I need to move on with my life. I'm tired and I just can't do this anymore.
 
Batoto is proving to be ever more time consuming to maintain despite the fact that we have fewer real visitors. Our bot visitors are always growing as we're the only source that still gives true quality. I've made some serious and controversial changes to counter that like adding membership requirements. While that helped a ton at that time, it always creeps back and we're almost back to square one at this point when I look at the statistics. They currently make up roughly 35% of the traffic which are much more troublesome than real users. And I don't want to make more serious change to this site that'll inconvenience the readers even further. We've already lost enough.
 
It's not just the bots that adds to the technical issues. It's a big site with huge number of page views. It's just expected part of running the site. Whether it be a DDoS attack, scraper bots gone haywire, servers/hosting company being annoying, ad company being annoying, there's just so many stuff that I constantly have to deal with. Over the last 7 years, I haven't had a single day when I could just freely take a day off. If the site goes down, I had to be there, on my computer, ready to take action. I obviously don't do something every single day, but just making myself available is taxing on my life. The fact that I'm unable to take a vacation have often been a point of argument with others in my life. Anytime someone says, let's go somewhere, I could only say no. I have to be here. Sound sleeping is also a thing of the past. I have alarms that go off when the site goes down. I'd wake up in the middle of the sleep to take care of it. False alarm, while irritating, is one of the best things to see when I'm interrupted from my sleep. How else would I have always responded to issues immediately?
 
I've simply run out of will and I feel this is the best choice for me. I beg that the community understands this difficult decision I've made.
 
 
Services will be severely affected starting January 18th as servers expire, though content may still be accessible for you. By January 25th, critical number of servers will have expired that the site will no longer function. But you should consider 18th to be the last day.
 
 
I have stopped accepting donations for a several months now and I'll check to see if anyone sent anything directly and I'll be sure to refund them if they did.
 
Going forward, some of the staff members have and still are in the process of backing up the entire Batoto comic content as they have been notified of this decision well in advanced. They may choose to create a new Batoto or something simpler. That will be up to them, but I will no longer be part of running it.
 
I understand that our forum is a valuable form of communication for many. Because of that, I will be keeping the forums running for an extended period of time, date of which is not yet decided. I will also be making an export for your follows list so that your list isn't lost. Additionally, this list will be available as long as the forum is up and running. Other information that may be useful to the community may be filtered and backed up then made available for the community, but I will, under no circumstances, give anyone a full backup of the site or database. Many have used our system in confidence and it will stay that way.
 
I would like to thank everyone here for your patronage all these years. It has been a good run. Really, thank you. Wouldn't have made it this far without you.
 
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Looks like a lot of people are in a scramble to save what they can, and as a result, site is lot slower. I'm turning on the cloudflare anti-ddos protection to put the site back to a manageable speed. Will likely need to keep it on until the end.
- 2018/1/7
 
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The export feature has been added. Go to my follows and check the side bar. Realized there isn't much data to save when our IDs and such are all gone. But it's there anyway for the fuller version.
If domain is no longer up, forums will be available at the alternate address of vatoto.com (not used right now)
- 2018/1/13
 
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The servers have begun to expire. First the of the servers are now offline. With the exception of the main (control) server, it's designed so that load is shared among the rest when one goes down. So, it'll continually get slower to serve pages unless people trying to access also decreases. I will manually remove reader pages by 25th and migrate the forums away.
- 2018/1/18



#1853528 Batoto will be closing permanently

Posted by DLRevan on 08 January 2018 - 01:12 AM

To everybody wondering why Grumpy isn't just handing the torch to somebody else or hiring more sysadmins, it's not a matter of trust or not finding anybody. I've discussed this with Grumpy myself several times. There's more to running a site like this than just keeping up with visitor demand. The details are brutal, and "more help" won't solve the biggest problems and stress causers behind the scenes.

Grumpy deciding to shut down the site instead of just dumping the problems on other people is well within his rights, and though it hurts me knowing the only place I've read manga (except on my ipad, which hate batoto for some reason) will be closing, I'll send Grumpy off with a smile and a wave, hoping that he lives a damned good life from now on for giving us this site for as long as he did.

 

As some one who knows how to run a database heavy site that serves content though, reading Grumpy's description of his life of the past 7 years puzzles me. No site should need one person's 24/7 support reagrdless of what part of the system we're talking about, and Batoto is not fully unique in the type of content it serves, though I cannot comment on the backend because it sounds strange to me that it takes this much effort. I'm not saying its easy, but it should be sane. Unless this is about handling DMCAs and other non-system related administration, though I don't see why one person has to do all of it either.

 

I still think you guys should hand off the site to someone else. If "someone else" fails at continuing the site to an appropriate standard, under a new label if necessary, at least an attempt was made. Take that as an offer if you like, I would be willing to discuss doing it, though I'm sure there are plenty of interested parties.




#1853388 Batoto will be closing permanently

Posted by Viraz on 07 January 2018 - 11:37 PM

Thank you, RawR.

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#1853337 Batoto will be closing permanently

Posted by sied on 07 January 2018 - 11:16 PM

Thanks Grumpy for keeping the site up for all these years.

 

With that said, I haven't read the whole thread but saw a couple of guys willing to purchase and maintain the site or build a new one, I'm not an avid poster but I'm also a software engineer, so if any of these people willing to take the torch or taking off after the site closes down need a hand, I'm willing to help out.




#1686915 Fake Batoto site warning!

Posted by Similar-man on 21 December 2015 - 09:42 AM

but how do we know that this one wasn't fake from the begining  ??? *dundunduuuuuuun*