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[Gundumbwing]

@Evan Dark :

Again you go back to something being entirely factual. He could have used "5 grams" instead of the original theory. It's his choice. It doesn't matter if its mathematically correct, it doesn't matter if he made a mistake on the original theory.

Yes, science fiction is based around science and real theories, but that still means nothing in a work of fiction. For example, the Star Trek universe is based around science that doesn't exist. The mathematical theories for a star ship traveling at light speed may be sound, but they are still a work of fiction.

I assume if you watched Back to the Future, the idea of the flux capacitor turning banana peels into fuel would make your brain explode from rage.

You simply need to get over this obsession for everything to be 100% factual.

Edited by Gundumbwing, 31 January 2013 - 08:14 PM.

[acurarsx]

@Gundumbwing

I think what is meant here is that there should be a logical flow to the world created by the author. People need to relate to the story and be "grounded" so that he/she can be immersed in it, especially since the author cannot explain the whole of the world he has created -- thus this leads to the people assuming how that world works. If the story is too unbelievable, people will find that the author might just be "pulling stuff out of his/her ass". This is why saying "21 grams of data" is "bullshit" makes sense, because people need to relate. In our natural world, we cannot weigh data. This means that for the author to state this, he/she has to explain the whole logical thread of the concept of "data" in the world he/she has created, and not just dump an idea and leave it there. Also, while he can write whatever he sees fit, there is a difference between a reference an idea. In this case, he clearly referenced something that actually existed (being Duncan MacDougall's questionable research) or else he/she could have clearly made anything else as his explanation. By referencing something, he/she has bound that concept to his/her world. By then leaving the idea alone, he/she failed to "ground" us to his world because we know for a fact that that theory is false and has been proven so, making his/her plot weaker.

On another note, the aliens are hypocrites. They way they toyed with humans is the way that humans toy with other species weaker than them, making them as insignificant as humans. That or there is somthing the author wants to deliver that I am not getting.

[clamzoopa]

Gantz has been going downhill for years (since the start of Phase 2). Avatar came out around that time and Hiroya decided he also needed to have giant (possibly blue) aliens. The vampires were totally forgotten and everything went spiralling down the drain...

Thought the same exact thing. I stopped reading right after the school kid talked about the 'world ending in a week' or something, I don't really remember.

[Evan Dark]

@Gundumbwing
First you're right: I was kinda over obsessed with the units of measurement. It's not that much of deal, given that if he'd were to write 21 gram of matter it'd be still biggest bull$#*t in the manga so far. It's wrong on so many levels.

There is nothing wrong with the science in "Star Trek", or "Back to the Future". Of course, today it's outdated, but it's sensible, and believable.

There is nothing wrong with using science and adding your own part, that makes it a real Sci-Fi. On the other hand this "21 gram of data to a different dimension" isn't even science its only sounds scientific. Like when you try to sound Chinese, without actually speaking the language: it's miserable. It's gibberish, it means nothing. It's a cheap trick, unworthy of a real science fiction. The most "visible" part of this gibberish nonsense, that gives it away instantly, is that even the unit is wrong.

Edited by Evan Dark, 15 February 2013 - 09:17 AM.