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This. Sukaji needs to write a sequel before I murder something.

 

It's clear that Fumiko has to die and the "guiding Ritsu" universe deleted regardless of what happens...

 

Ending Timeline X: Ritsu is absorbed and Miri is still trying to find out how to unabsorb him. We don't know what happens to Fumiko (maybe she's alive?). It is assumed that the unabsorbication is impossible though as it breaks some rules in Quantum whatever...

 

Ending Timeline Y: Ritsu is found lying there in his adult form. His past mind seems to have overwritten his adult one. We assume that him and Miri are alive at the expense of Fumiko.

 

Ending Timeline Z: Universe restart? It is heavily implied that Ritsu remembers things that happened "from the past". Miri is implied to also remember stuff OR Miri is actually Fumiko in this timeline (possible).

 

 

Your interpretation of the time sequences is something completely new to me and it has given me a new understanding of everything. Thankyou <3

 

ON A SIDE NOTE, this is completely my theory but I think that in timeline Z Fumiko is alive and writing the blog as a means of remembering/communicating/idkshe'sacomputer with Ritsu.

 

This was such a bittersweet ending though...

 

 

As for the "end of time" things, I'm going to just assume that they are either the dreams of Ritsu or maybe another timeline. Maybe there is a timeline where both Ritsu and Miri/Fumiko are in the computer? Or maybe the "end of time" thingos are just a metaphor for something that happened? I mean

 

Thanks for all of your explanation. It gives me understanding of what the ending is about (i understand what this manga is about up till the last chapter that makes me confused of what the ending is about. I really didn't think about multiple ending timeline)



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Thanks for all of your explanation. It gives me understanding of what the ending is about (i understand what this manga is about up till the last chapter that makes me confused of what the ending is about. I really didn't think about multiple ending timeline)

Don't take my explanatin literally though, read it and make your own interpretations... I've made a few more since the time I wrote that last post and dayum.... That ending is sad...


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Bumping this for more discussion QQ


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This is a direct quote of harrysoung from myanimelist forum. I believe his theory is interesting and worth pondering about. All credit to the original poster.
 

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Here is yet another interesting interpretation from usernameisinvalid in Mangafox.
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It had been shown that there's two separate timeline, sequence A and sequence B where sequence A is directly affecting sequence B. What I'm curious on though is the origin of sequence A. I presume sequence A as the 'original' timeline where Miri is absorbed into Bungo, giving birth to Fumiko while Ritsu work within the facility in order to alter the past. Hence the reason Bungo itself is not the causality but the Bungo that absorbed Miri is, since the creation of Bungo by Ritsu's parent is according to the original timeline, but his effort to prevent Miri from being absorbed is contrary to that. Chronologically, that explains the trigger that begins the loop.

Then Future Ritsu created three parallel world and alter it accordingly, namely the Akari, Hatori and Fumiko routes. It is interesting to note that since they're Ritsu of parallel (different) world and there's no Reading Steiner (courtesy of Steins;Gate) involved, they're effectively different individuals performing the same routine. That is, I believe every loop is simply Future Ritsu altering another parallel world to form a unique/different route rather than travelling through space and time, which is what I initially assumed. This is supported by the fact that Future Ritsu said Akara and Hatori routes are 'wasted memories'. Ritsu of Fumiko route obtain memory from the other two routes due to the interference from Fumiko who is,Miri absorbed by Bungo. 


Akari Route is straightforward and serve as a stepping stone towards the twist, so there's not much to say there. As for Hatori Route, contrary with what harrysoung deduced, I believe only the letter are the work of the scientists to recruit Miri to the American laboratory. This is heavily hinted when Future Ritsu said that both the blog and TV doesn't work. This indirectly meant that the phone call and TV are due to Future Ritsu's direct interference into the past (parallel world) which became buggy due to the work of causality. As opposed to usernameisinvalid's theory, although Bungo appeared in the first two routes, he (Bungo) is actually the manifestation of the actual (male) Bingo rather than the manifestation of Absorbed Ritsu. This can be easily explained by the phone calls, TV and blog; those are direct interference from Future Ritsu from his science lab rather than interference from Bingo. I supposed it's safe to assumed Bingo is either controlled by Future Ritsu/Fumiko or collaborated  with them to alter the past.

Onward to the most mindfk part of the manga; Fumiko route. I believe Bungo did not appear this time around because Fumiko is sent/used to initiate the parallel world rather than Bungo. Whereas in previous ones, Fumiko is simply an 'observer' overseeing thing with Future Ritsu. It is also interesting to note that the sole blog post from Fumiko route is initiated by Future Bungo in an act of self-preservation. In regards to the ending, on one hand, harrysoung believe Fumiko became Miri in sequence B while usernameisinvalid believe Fumiko sacrificed herself. Personally, I'm inclined towards the latter. The problem with Fumiko-become-Miri is that, Miri of sequence B knew about future events because she read it up from a blog by 'Fumiko'. If we believe Fumiko became Miri, it implies that Fumiko is unconsciously controlling the event of sequence B since Miri, obviously, is oblivious to the true identity of Fumiko. However, I agree that sequence B got out of the Torus loop. It is highly probable that the current sequence B will lead to the 'Happy' sequence A where both Miri and Ritsu survive.

Which mean the ultimate problem is: Just what did Fumiko did? Future Ritsu implied that he survived because Bungo is unable of absorbing him. Given that it's a translated text, it's difficult to discern the original meaning but I suggest Ritsu could only meant two thing.
1. Bungo simply can't absorb him and he never disappeared. However, Bungo didn't start up either. Fumiko then did something.
2. Bungo DID absorbed him and start up, but due to causality, the absorption itself is nulled because it MUST be Miri that's absorbed rather than Ritsu. Hence, either another loop appeared or Bungo malfunctioned in the future world. Fumiko then did something to prevent that.
Yet again, I'm leaning towards the latter. Perhaps, Fumiko knew she's capable of restoring (altering) the past. This is hinted by "I'll restore everything to it's original state", "You've been killing m-" (still wondering whether it's Miri or Me), and "Fumiko, thank you". We know that the 'plan' is for them to somehow activate Bungo without sacrificing Miri; which will indirectly 'kill' Fumiko (Since I assumed not activating Bungo is the greatest paradox of all). So perhaps all this boils down to Fumiko initially being unwilling to erase her existence but came to acceptance later on after seeing Ritsu's self-sacrificing act. Or perhaps it's her only choice. With Ritsu sacrificing himself, Fumiko knew that Bungo will refuse Ritsu and somehow broke down, causing Future Ritsu to be unable to recreate parallel world or saving Miri, effectively a 'Bad End' in it's truest sense.

Edit: On a separate note, Ritsu existing simultaneously in all the parallel world is quite a viable interpretation. However, in that case, why did Future Ritsu insist that he wasn't accepted by Bungo and hence forcing another loop to occur(?). Was his monologue a red herring/unreliable narrator? Furthermore, if he's absorbed by Bungo and exist in all the parallel world, why did he thank Fumiko at the end of sequence A? While it's logical to assume that if Miri's present then Fumiko's existence is erased, that would mean he (who is absorbed by Bungo) deliberately 'kill' Fumiko without her consent. I don't believe thanking her, then, is even explainable unless Future Ritsu misunderstood and thought it's Fumiko who helped him.

As for why Ritsu of sequence B had pieces of memory from the Torus loop, I believe that's because the Ritsu of the fourth (and final) loop is the same Ritsu that sacrificed himself. Perhaps Bungo (with the conscience of Fumiko/Miri) rejected him and did something with that ability of hers?

Another thing I'm confused is, why did Ritsu mentioned Fumiko manipulated the letter? I reckon it is counterproductive for Future Ritsu if that letter is sent. Perhaps Ritsu meant it's yet another action taken by Future Bungo due to the causality?


Edited by Kenji, 25 May 2013 - 04:01 AM.


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Guy above me, you speak words of wisdom.

 

However, with regards to the Fumiko and Miri thing, what if Fumiko and Miri somehow fused? It wouldn't be that hard, since Fumiko IS Miri, but what if Fumiko's memories were placed into Miri's when the world reset? That would explain why she appears to know more than she does and MAYBE if my theory is correct, maybe the Ritsu that was 'absorbed' by Bungo had his memories fuse with Ritsu in the new "correct" timeline?

 

Just a thought...


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Man, my head hurt so much.

 

A routes = Adult Ritsu, Miri Lost, Bingo/Fumiko exist. Trying to altered the past (B routes)

 

 

B routes = Repeating cycle that stuck on past.

B1 with Akari --> Miri Absorbed into Bingo, Ritsu Not Aware bout this, re-loop

B2 with Hatori --> Miri Absorbed into Bingo, Ritsu there, re-loop

B3 with Fumiko --> Ritsu Absorbed into Bingo,

 

Parralel A2 -->Miri become Professor to save her brother.

B4 restarted with normal timeline

 

A routes  get happy end coz Ritsu just have brain damage, thingking her sister gone into computer LoL. (dunno if this A or A3).

 

(Maybe Ritsu just make some Mind Simulator, to play game about His past life XD)


Edited by ryune, 27 September 2013 - 10:59 AM.


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my opinion is just that the author got sick of his work and just dropped it with an incomplete ending without explanation cause he did a mistake and couldn't deal with it ^^