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[danky]

Batoto,
when you stop hosting a series simply because it is not currently being scanlated, do you know what i do?

I go straight to mangafox or mangareader.

Why?
Because i want to read what is already out.

I've been frequenting batoto more and more because i do not agree with other readers' profiteering, but when you remove series with multiple volumes of content, and cannot keep URLs (see:404) consistent, i go for the more convenient, streamlined reader.

I am not motivated enough to go to the scanlator's site and download and unzip their works.

I barely care enough to come to batoto, because compared to larger (profiteering) readers, their site works better, and they don't remove series i am in the middle of reading.

I would love to support scanlators, but if that is in any way inconvenient for me, i will stop doing it.
As will many others.


Compared to other readers, my experience with this site has been sub-par.
At the very least, leave posted series up.

This is not a difficult concept, people seek convenience.
This site is not convenient.

Sincerely,

me

[foxyeisenhower]

batoto puts a lot more effort into legitimizing their site than other readers, which though commendable, is kinda wasted effort when scanlation readers in general aren't really something that will ever be legitimate no matter how many rules you make up for it

I'm a contributor who tries to fill the holes in batoto's underwhelming archives, but when every separate scan group has their own policy it's a really discouraging process to upload series. I agree with you that batoto needs to be less of a doormat if they want to ever seriously compete with mangafox/reader in convenience, but that also betrays the trust and reputation this site has built up with those groups. The way I understand it, the general consensus of the staff here is to follow the rules as strictly as possible to minimize danger to the site, which means that some series that break batoto's rules will get taken down without a scan group intervening. I don't think this is the best route for archival purposes (which is all that matters in the long run) but honestly we can just use different sites for that.

Basically batoto is a site for scanlators, not readers. Their policies and rules are designed to appease scanlators so they keep scanning through hard times, not to help people read manga. It's a sacrifice that the staff here are aware of, and one little rant isn't going to change their minds.

Edited by foxyeisenhower, 05 March 2012 - 02:01 AM.

[Grumpy]

Hello,

Danky, the comic you speak of, Guakuen Heaven is a title that was locked and removed for adult content, not because the scanlation has halted. If a scanlation has halted, you won't find it anywhere, here or mangafox, or mangareader, or anywhere else. There is often only one source of scanlation, so when the scanlation stops, the source for all readers stop. We also do not stop hosting because a scanlation has halted. This is not our policy. Our policy is to not host if the producers of the content do not want for us to host it. As for pornographic content, the same applies to all the other readers, albeit we are more proactive in removing them.

We do realize that we're making sacrifices with our set policies. It is unfortunate that some of our sacrifices will be less than convenient for the readers. But we believe this is the right course of action. In an analogy, we recycle our garbage. It is inconvenient to do so. It's much easier to throw everyone out in one big pile. But we live with these inconveniences because these actions are important, and it's the right thing to do.

We hope that you would come to understand the position we take. However, no matter how much complaint we may receive, we will never change this policy.


Regarding the issue with a 404, it means we either removed it because it violated one of our policies or because it was wrong to begin with. If you find other forms of 404s, please do report the specific instances as we'll try our best to fix them.

[seyrine]

Just my 2 cents:

Batoto is threading a thin line between creating a good reading experience for readers and creating a site that uploaders and scanlators can trust with their "derivative work". It's understandable why they're trying to create a good reading experience, it's for us manga addicts that need our fix for our favorite publications and need it in our primary language. Their policies might make reading some manga problematic to read (especially those with questionable content) but like the majority of people that came here, we just adapted (to the changes) and adopted (the site, flaws and all). Plus the staff here wont just lock up and clear a manga or thread or post w/o even giving a respectable reason based on policies. I repeat: based on policies, not just because it was bad-mouthing the site like some large aggregator that comes to mind.

And remember that Batoto is still pretty new/young compared to older and more established aggregators out there so their archive will be a bit incomplete and there will be teething problems for sure. At least the staff here are actively taking suggestions on how to fix it, and actively working so that the majority of the reading masses dont have to encounter 404 errors and such.

As for the scanlator's side, they're actively building trust with these groups using the policies. With trust comes added benefits like shared ad-revenue, no upload delays and clean (w/o watermarks) scans. It may inconvenience us in the short run, but in the long run the benefits still outweigh those inconveniences. Again, most groups have adapted to the changes and adopted Batoto as their own, some even hosting their blogs here.

TL;DR: Key word is actively doing something about it. Batoto maybe isn't for everyone, but for the majority of us here it's good enough.

Think of Batoto like sugar-free cheesecake. It's not quite guilt-free, but it's sure still tastes great!

[Dhoozy]

They are building trust, they got burned by Tazmo, Noez and others already. Supposedly Batoto is different but you know what they say, once burn twice shy. Not sure about the whole release thing and making Batoto jump through hoops for it but if Batoto continues to bend over and take it form the Scanalators with a smile on their face then that would really prove to the scanalators that Batoto is not anything like Noez. When that happens you would get faster updates and all of Scanalotors backing which in turn would put Noez into the ground. Until then just have to bare with it.

I am curious as to why they remove adult or mature manga away. NOT hentai but mature storyline not the typical highschool stuff, sometime people want to see a nice killer thriller or something that is like smut. Anyone know of a manga website that host such mature storyline sites? Sometime people need a break from the kiddies stuff.

[seyrine]

Anyone know of a manga website that host such mature storyline sites? Sometime people need a break from the kiddies stuff.

idk about thrillers, but if you're looking for mature stories there's always

Spoiler

fakku.

Most stuff there's just plain hentai, but if you dig around you'll find some interesting reads.

[Grumpy]

I am curious as to why they remove adult or mature manga away. NOT hentai but mature storyline not the typical highschool stuff, sometime people want to see a nice killer thriller or something that is like smut. Anyone know of a manga website that host such mature storyline sites? Sometime people need a break from the kiddies stuff.

Batoto does not remove "mature" comics. Mature, would be something like R rated in a movie. Adult is something that's 18+ only which we do remove. The standard of what divides this is unfortunately not entirely for us to decide. The confusion however rises due to discrepancies in Japanese idea of 18+ vs American idea of 18+.

[danield21]

I remember back in the time of onemanga, that they took down their more mature manga and uploaded onto their more mature sister site 1000manga

[Dhoozy]

I am curious as to why they remove adult or mature manga away. NOT hentai but mature storyline not the typical highschool stuff, sometime people want to see a nice killer thriller or something that is like smut. Anyone know of a manga website that host such mature storyline sites? Sometime people need a break from the kiddies stuff.

Batoto does not remove "mature" comics. Mature, would be something like R rated in a movie. Adult is something that's 18+ only which we do remove. The standard of what divides this is unfortunately not entirely for us to decide. The confusion however rises due to discrepancies in Japanese idea of 18+ vs American idea of 18+.

Oh? I was wondering about that why Gakuen Heaven was removed and was wondering if To Love Ru would be next. Ecchi and what not that is a very fine line you guys seem to be walking

[Buttock Follicle]

TLRD is published in a shounen magazine, the mangaka themselves have to not go over the line.

[danky]

Thanks for the replies, and, grumpy, clarification. That was a misinterpretation on my side.

I do understand the predicament Batoto is under, but in my opinion, "mature" series should be subject to individual interpretation/accountability/restraint, or something of the sort.

Considering people in general, though, that is not feasible.

Unfortunately.

At any rate, thanks for reading.

Thanks for the replies, and, grumpy, clarification. That was a misinterpretation on my side.

I do understand the predicament Batoto is under, but in my opinion, "mature" series should be subject to individual interpretation/accountability/restraint, or something of the sort.

Considering people in general, though, that is not feasible.

Unfortunately.

At any rate, thanks for reading.

I meant "adult," not "mature."
but that has another set of issues along with it.

[raenef]

Batoto does not remove "mature" comics. Mature, would be something like R rated in a movie. Adult is something that's 18+ only which we do remove. The standard of what divides this is unfortunately not entirely for us to decide. The confusion however rises due to discrepancies in Japanese idea of 18+ vs American idea of 18+.

yahaa and now u compare it to the european system and their views -- you remember jessica alba in her bikini ?