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[lapidibus]

She seems to be a yandere, but she doesn't seem to have any violent traits.
Either way, I'm hoping for a happy ending (not the usual downer ones that frequently come with yanderes).

[Purple Library Guy]

Yeah, she's an odd duck. Looked at one way, she's yandere. Looked at another, she's just the girl from "Ai Yori Aoshi" without any social brakes on. It does sort of seem to me like it's headed for a happy ending. I mean, normally with yandere if the yandere girl is a major character her nature comes out kind of gradually; when she makes the complete psycho break that's the end.
But this girl has been obviously obsessive since the beginning, and in the latest chapters she's shown herself about as fruit-loopy as she's likely to get, and the situation was still salvaged. Now various people around her know what she's like, and seem more or less confident she can be kept under control; they're just making jokes about putting a collar on her. From a storytelling perspective I feel like that's sort of a signal that it's going to be OK.
There's another manga out there where the female lead isn't just sort of yandere, but full out capable-of-extreme-violence yandere, and yet it looks like it will have a happy ending. Of course it's a comedy--"Oniichan Control", a twisted but pretty funny piece of work.

[softpick]

Yandere came from the words "yanderu" which means sick and "deredere" which defines shyness in the sense of being lovestruck.
A yandere expresses her love through psychotic and or deranged manner, anything that greatly exceeds the boundaries of the socially accepted actions..
Yes, Koharu IS a yandere, as she is psychotic/mentally ill and lovestruck o_O

[Irecinius]

Happy ending?
to whom?

Thats what happen when you are a player harem owner on a previous manga! Karma get you back... and throw yanderes at you!

Edited by Irecinius, 31 December 2011 - 07:00 PM.

[Purple Library Guy]

Everyone who talks about this girl and their relationship worries about what happens if she snaps--if she gets controlling-possessive, gets violent and so on.
But I almost worry more about the flip side; I'd fear myself more than her. The girl is so devoted, she would do anything for you. The temptation to abuse that devotion, to indulge every twisted fantasy I might have on her, would be very strong. Because she would not only do it, she'd smile--she'd be happy to prove her worship; the more extreme I got, the more she'd feel she was successfully proving her love. I could take her farther in ten minutes than Kaoru took Nana in ten months, and she'd just ask to show how much more she could take for me. How intoxicating! But would it be good for either of us? A man could get drunk on that power and do way too much.

[Lofychewim]

Wow I can't believe I didn't see it like that before. I mean I always liked Yanderes but thinking about it in that manner really refreshes the character type. As well as showing that Koharu is one of the more unique cases among Yanderes.

[vaendryl]

there are typically 3 classifications of yandere. Koharu is a type 1 (non-violent). a type 2 is quite violent when provoked or challenged. if you've watched nice boat till the end you know what happens with a type 3

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of course, it's quite possible koharu either slides into type 2 or turns out to have been type 2 all along. (or higher)

Yandere came from the words "yanderu" which means sick and "deredere" which defines shyness in the sense of being lovestruck.
A yandere expresses her love through psychotic and or deranged manner, anything that greatly exceeds the boundaries of the socially accepted actions..
Yes, Koharu IS a yandere, as she is psychotic/mentally ill and lovestruck o_O

actually it comes from 病む （yamu - to fall ill; to be ill). conjugating that to the -te form gets you yande.

Edited by vaendryl, 01 August 2012 - 10:55 AM.

[leyend]

i have to admit that she really is a yandere -.-......but she's not a really violent one so the only thing that akira must do is train her xD

[omnipwnage]

I've only read a few chapters so far, but I'm enjoying it, and she is definitely a yandere. And although Purple is completely right about how tempting it would be to mold one in to whatever you want them to be, the MC of this story (from what I've read so far) seems unlikely to do that, and if he does, it'd remind me of someone else that decided to play around with a yandere's feelings (i.e. nice boat)

[DrkZero]

She is a Yandere, but the main character can change her into a normal pacifist girl, but as for now is totally hard... nearly imposible... her destiny is in his hands...

Edited by DrkZero, 10 September 2012 - 03:32 AM.

[omnipwnage]

I know I probably can't say it well, but I doubt the MC can appropriately change someone whom is fixated to the degree that she is at. Telling someone that is, shall we say, mentally compromised isn't as simple as reteaching etiquette; chances are, she doesn't believe that her way of think is either wrong or unhealthy. It would be very similar to enlightening a sociopath on why murder is wrong; even if they understand it as facts, there isn't a connection emotionally on how it corresponds with what they do.

[Theoderich]

I don't see where she is Yandere... Of course she is quite *abnormal* but she doesn't have that dere-dere side to her:

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for example when she practices kissing with his flute and he sees her (chapter 1) she never has any reaction of shame/shyness, the same for how he asks if she's going to lick his tea bottle after getting it out of the trash bin (chapter 2).

I don't remeber her being embarassed about anything in these 23 chapters, so she's more like a new type of heroine that has got a mentality of a reversed airhead (instead of "spacing out" it would be "spacing in" into a universe of her/their own that requires utmost concentration, leading to disproportional behaviour because of a lack of realism/the ability to sense social standpoints).

[omnipwnage]

I don't see where she is Yandere... Of course she is quite *abnormal* but she doesn't have that dere-dere side to her:

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for example when she practices kissing with his flute and he sees her (chapter 1) she never has any reaction of shame/shyness, the same for how he asks if she's going to lick his tea bottle after getting it out of the trash bin (chapter 2).

I don't remeber her being embarassed about anything in these 23 chapters, so she's more like a new type of heroine that has got a mentality of a reversed airhead (instead of "spacing out" it would be "spacing in" into a universe of her/their own that requires utmost concentration, leading to disproportional behaviour because of a lack of realism/the ability to sense social standpoints).

Dere-dere is not the aspect of being 'embarrassed' but by being lovestruck. The 'embarrassment' quality is there in Tsundere because the character is dealing with emotions that they aren't use to handling. In the terms of a Yandere, the 'Yan' is akin to mental instability. This is why she doesn't see anything wrong with

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licking and kissing his flute in the first chapter, or digging through the garbage for their used bottles.

The main aspect of a Yandere is that she will do anything for her love, regardless of consequence, because she will always believe she is in the right. This is why School Days is also a bit rough to go through (personally)

[Theoderich]

If it's not derived from : 照れる　＝ being embaressed about then it would be from :でれでれ/でれでれした = being slutty/to flirt/to be sentimental. Even so I don't see her being slutty/flirty or sentimental and she isn't like a yandere because she has no "normal" side to herself (look at those who are classical yandere, they sure don't seem to be yandere normally but have an evil side to them (like Katsura Kotonoha/Saionji Sekai[School Days],Gasai Yuno[Mirai Nikki],Fuyou Kaede[Shuffle!],etc...) but is always in this state of selfish self-delusional madness that is targeted at everyone(even herself in some situations)

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That's why she went and kissed his childhood friend, because her delusion was off ,like if you get the wrong answer from a mathematical problem you redo the whole thing from scratch[ I.e. taking the kiss back from the lips of the girl], so she had to reestablish the equilibrium of her existence

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I agree, though, that a typical "Yandere" and Koharu share 1 similar trait: to be openly affectionate to their target of admiration/desire( although Koharu is less affectionate than a classical yandere, she's more like reacting to triggered events rather than initiating them herself).
But I still cannot see her as a yandere because there is just yan and no dere until now, however you define this dere, that would be like calling someone who is overly agressive tsundere although there would be no dere. Well,let's see this to the end and talk again when we've witnessed more sides of her, maybe she becomes a dere-character in the future chapters, but until then there isn't enough evidence to prove her "yanderism"

[Purple Library Guy]

omnipwnage is right, Theoderich. You've come to a misapprehension of what "dere" means. Whatever it might be derived from, the usage in manga/anime circles, in Japan as well as among non-Japanese fans, is clear. "dere" is like omnipwnage says, lovestruck, and by extension sweet, loving and such. So a "deredere" is just plain lovey-dovey. A tsundere is, from the "tsun", harsh and grumpy like. But they have a soft, "dere" side buried in them somewhere, a "rough exterior but a heart of gold" or at least a love for some character; typically although not quite always, they find this embarrassing because it contradicts their tough image. They're embarrassed that they might actually want to do "soppy stuff".
A yandere is loving but also crazy--usually crazy in a violent way. Generally they aren't embarrassed about being loving; to the contrary, they are often obsessed with their love to the point where any perceived threat to it triggers psychotic episodes directed at wiping out the threat.

There's no point in confronting slang in wide usage and deciding what it ought to mean based on etymology. Language shifts. What it means is what it's used to mean.