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[RoflCat]

I actually finished reading the full 677 chapters of the main honzuki series a few months ago, but I figured with the slow pace of the translation it'll take decades (50 years if blastron keep at 1 ch/month pace) before this series get fully translated.

 

So until then, out of boredom I figured why not answer any question people might have for the story, I'm sure by the time these events roll around a lot of people might've even forgot they got spoiled at all.

 

Btw, just to give you an idea of how far this girl 'rise', here's the 5 arc titles:

- Soldier's Daughter (current arc)

- Temple's Miko Apprentice

- Domain Lord's Adopted Daughter

- Noble Institute's Self-styled Books Committee Member

- Goddess's Incarnation

 

[lunarisX]

I actually finished reading the full 677 chapters of the main honzuki series a few months ago, but I figured with the slow pace of the translation it'll take decades (50 years if blastron keep at 1 ch/month pace) before this series get fully translated.

 

So until then, out of boredom I figured why not answer any question people might have for the story, I'm sure by the time these events roll around a lot of people might've even forgot they got spoiled at all.

 

Btw, just to give you an idea of how far this girl 'rise', here's the 5 arc titles:

- Soldier's Daughter (current arc)

- Temple's Miko Apprentice

- Domain Lord's Adopted Daughter

- Noble Institute's Self-styled Books Committee Member

- Goddess's Incarnation

 

Goddes incarnation part is messed up. That section alone worth 250 chapter while 1-4 is about 450 chapters. Need heavy editing.

 

The published novel series already reach the end of arc 3 btw. And the manga version will reach end of arc one in two more volumes. The mangaka work really hard about 25 pages per month.

 

Also this WN have their own amazing wiki and pixiv page. Lol!

 

Open if you want to be spoiled up to arc 3 because this is amazing.

 

 

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSR9249yuMk

 

Also reading for the second time is also fun because you can feel the contex of the story difrent if you read again after finishing whole 677 plus extra chapters.

 

 

Spoiler

for example you can find it hillarious when Jilvester want to visit orphanage and Mine ask him if he want to find fuck toy. Jilvester reply that is not something a girl should talk and if she said it again he have her spanked. You will find it puzling if you read it for first time but if you read it for second time it's hillarious

Edited by lunarisX, 19 December 2017 - 05:25 AM.

[lunarisX]

So until then, out of boredom I figured why not answer any question people might have for the story, I'm sure by the time these events roll around a lot of people might've even forgot they got spoiled at all.

 

I wonder who is Ferdinand's dad. So far the author forgot about him or he no longer important. I asked this since im also bored.

[RoflCat]

I wonder who is Ferdinand's dad. So far the author forgot about him or he no longer important. I asked this since im also bored.

 

Unless there's an extra twist, it's Silvester's dad, aka the previous lord of Elenfest.

 

He's dead at this point and author don't really do flashback chapters so we'll never know what really happened.

Though it's not known what exactly changed his mind (though if we take his word literally, it was 'A Goddess's guidance'), instead of Ferdi getting killed to make magic stones (the princesses' 'job' once they're done with birthing an heir for the royal family is basically magic stone factory...) the dad later on came to adopt him.

 

It's basically why the royal family were so paranoid against Ferdi, they were afraid of him trying to usurp the throne given that he likely know the method to get the holy book.

 

Turns out

Spoiler

He ALREADY had a partial version of the book, but he doesn't care about ruling the land so he kept quiet about it.

 

Then because Maine's magic is exact copy of his, when she eventually did the ritual (under the 'threat' from the royals) the God thought she was Ferdi and gave her the rest of the book.

And because God gives no fuck (and to be fair Ferdi was kind of a jerk to said God before), he basically told Maine to KILL Ferdi so that her book will finally be complete and she'll the rightful ruler.

(she didn't want to rule either, she just want to read)

Edited by RoflCat, 24 December 2017 - 04:31 AM.

[lunarisX]

He was adopted and the wiki page said his father is unknow.

 

So far there are three posible candidate.

 

 

Spoiler

1st is 6th lord of Ehrenfest  because it was customary for the real father to pick up fruit of Adal Gisa when he turn 7. But then again he said himself he was adopted. Ehrenfest have law that adopted family member also eligable for Lord sucession which lead to various assasination attemp from Veronica.

 

2nd is obvious the previous King because ferdinand's stature similiarity with the curent King and only royal family can enter the garden of begining. but then again, all Adal Gisa prince/princess are descent from the Hero-King because Adal Gisa lineage was started 400 years ago by the runaway prince who lost power strugle.

 

3rd I found when reading for second time because the strange behaviour of Lord of Ahrenbatch. He saw Ferdinand for the first time during the marriage ceremony of Lamprech and Aurelia but what happen afterward is strange. He quickly secure the marriage of Ferdinand and Dietlinde that winter during the meeting on capital city of Alsteed and when Ferdinand reach Ahrenbatch he immediately give him full lordly authority. He was mourning the the death of Wolfram when he meet Ferdinand for the first time and the he know he have another son. Then 6 months latter he died.

 

And btw marriage brother and sister from difrent mother is considerd ok in Ahrenbatch, although fucking your own brother/sister of the same mother can get you exiled. And sucession of ahrenbatch only apply to children of the current lord.

 

And almost forgot there is a magic circle connecting Adal Gisa pallace to Ahrensbach.

Edited by lunarisX, 24 December 2017 - 09:43 AM.

[RoflCat]

He was adopted and the wiki page said his father is unknow.

 

So far there are three posible candidate.

 

 

Spoiler

1st is 6th lord of Ehrenfest  because it was customary for the real father to pick up fruit of Adal Gisa when he turn 7. But then again he said himself he was adopted. Ehrenfest have law that adopted family member also eligable for Lord sucession which lead to various assasination attemp from Veronica.

 

2nd is obvious the previous King because ferdinand's stature similiarity with the curent King and only royal family can enter the garden of begining. but then again, all Adal Gisa prince/princess are descent from the Hero-King because Adal Gisa lineage was started 400 years ago by the runaway prince who lost power strugle.

 

3rd I found when reading for second time because the strange behaviour of Lord of Ahrenbatch. He saw Ferdinand for the first time during the marriage ceremony of Lamprech and Aurelia but what happen afterward is strange. He quickly secure the marriage of Ferdinand and Dietlinde that winter during the meeting on capital city of Alsteed and when Ferdinand reach Ahrenbatch he immediately give him full lordly authority. He was mourning the the death of Wolfram when he meet Ferdinand for the first time and the he know he have another son. Then 6 months latter he died.

 

And btw marriage brother and sister from difrent mother is considerd ok in Ahrenbatch, although fucking your own brother/sister of the same mother can get you exiled. And sucession of ahrenbatch only apply to children of the current lord.

 

And almost forgot there is a magic circle connecting Adal Gisa pallace to Ahrensbach.

 

He is 'officially' adopted and his father never confirmed, the wiki basically avoid speculations so they just list what is shown in the series.

But hey, technically Rosemaine is blood-daughter of the knight captain, but we know the truth don't we.

 

Also, the whole adopted into lord family isn't just for Elenfest, it applies to other domains as well. The research crazy domain basically run their domain in meritocracy style, anyone with enough abilities will be adopted into lord families.

 

As for your options:

I'm with the 1st one, the previous lord of Elenfest seem the most likely.

 

2nd one is wrong there. ANYONE (after clearing a certain set of requirements) can enter the garden of beginning (Maine went there through proper channel, Ferdi...'cheated') and get the holy book, the royal family-only one (in the underground archive, where Maine was rejected at first which led to the idea of taking her into royal family) is a copy made by a queen from long ago to ensure that her son would become the next king even though he isn't qualified via the traditional meet the God method.

Ferdi's look is taken after his mother (the princess from outside), hence why he's so similar to the invader king from outside (whose wiki also mentions he look like older Ferdi)

 

3rd is something else.

The engagement between Diet and Ferdi is from her mother's idea, basically to get Ferdi out of Elenfest that way the mom can easily kill him off in Alensbach and also weaken the defense of Elenfest at the same time.

She convinced the royal family to made such decree using their paranoia of Ferdi (again, that he might be trying to take the throne), hinting at Ferdi using Maine as proxy to search for the holy book.

By the time Ferdi moved, the lord was already dead. In fact BECAUSE of the lord's death Ferdi was forced to move earlier because Alensbach was in deep shit (technically Diet is supposed to take over the lord duty, but she's still a minor so her fiance, Ferdi, would be handling that instead)

So he moved, was given a shit load of work (both by the mom's order to keep him busy, and because there's no competent leader in Alensbach) and became de facto 'lord' because the other people (Diet and her mom) are basically incompetents and the 'real' successor (Leticia) is also being educated by Ferdi.

 

As for the magic circle, it's there because Alensbach was the only domain to still have a functioning national gate (one that connect to the escaped royal family at that), the circle was meant for the princess to travel quickly + avoid the public eyes (it leads directly to the villa where the princess will live imprisoned) because the existence of the princess is basically a secret only the lords/royal family knows about.

[lunarisX]

Isnt the Lord of Ahrenbatch died in the summer? Ferdinand and Jillvester attand his funeral. His engagement anauncment is in previous winter, which lead to christmas present exchange between him and Maine. Ths also happen before Reznerav princess escort land in Ahrensbatch, which lead to dispute between him and the ambasador about accepting their princess in to Adal Gisa pallace which lead to his assasination attemp. The one who guard Ferdinand is the former knight captain, the strongets magic knight in Ahrenbatch they will never put this guy as his vassal if they plan to kill ferdinand from start also from Justok point of view side story there are no attemp of poisoning since everything is in chaos.

 

The magic circle is connecting between Reznerav embasy in Ahrenbatch and Adal Gisa pallace in Alstride. Only the one with Guntris Height can use the teleportation circle on the gate, because he/she need to open/close gate during the winter meeting. Ahrensbatch gate is exluded because of sugar trade. Reznerav embasy was demolished latter since there's war between them and Adal Giza pallace became the new royal pallace destroying the magic circle forever.

[RoflCat]

Isnt the Lord of Ahrenbatch died in the summer? Ferdinand and Jillvester attand his funeral. His engagement anauncment is in previous winter, which lead to christmas present exchange between him and Maine. Ths also happen before Reznerav princess escort land in Ahrensbatch, which lead to dispute between him and the ambasador about accepting their princess in to Adal Gisa pallace which lead to his assasination attemp. The one who guard Ferdinand is the former knight captain, the strongets magic knight in Ahrenbatch they will never put this guy as his vassal if they plan to kill ferdinand from start also from Justok point of view side story there are no attemp of poisoning since everything is in chaos.

 

The magic circle is connecting between Reznerav embasy in Ahrenbatch and Adal Gisa pallace in Alstride. Only the one with Guntris Height can use the teleportation circle on the gate, because he/she need to open/close gate during the winter meeting. Ahrensbatch gate is exluded because of sugar trade. Reznerav embasy was demolished latter since there's war between them and Adal Giza pallace became the new royal pallace destroying the magic circle forever.

 

Georgene (Diet's mom) reported to the royal family at the Lords' Conference in Spring that he died, but we don't know for sure if he really died back in Summer given it's that lying bitch.

 

The captain wasn't assigned to guard Ferdi.

He took side with Ferdi when they met the envoys.

THEN they demoted him, so he became part of Ferdi's allies.

 

And Georgene isn't stupid, she want Ferdi dead for sure but killing him too early would only draw attention to her again, which she doesn't want.

That's why she basically shove all the works to Ferdi (including the temple ceremonies that other domains still looked down on at the time) to distract him/not having to work herself, then when Georgene was about to launch her attack on Elenfest (and the coup)

THAT was when she told Diet  poison Ferdi.

 

And no, that magic circle doesn't require the book to go to/from Alensbach and the school, otherwise how else would the invader force be able to teleport there? NONE of them had the book (since they don't have the staff)

It's only the national gate that required the book (the one Maine used to invade Alensbach)

 

The palace became 'temporary' residence for the new queen because they needed a residence that was on site + fit enough for  royalty to live in until a more proper one can be made.

[lunarisX]

Even if he died in spring, he still died after he requested that Ferdinand moved Ahrensbatch.

 

As far as I see the removal of Ferdinand from Ehrenfest begin after Ehrenfest gathering place was ravaged by magic monster, which lead to inquiry with central temple in which Ferdinand meed Central knight captain and the captain comfirm that ferdinad has royal blood and report to the king that both of them might be conspiring the acuire the holly book. This happen in Main's 2nd year winter. The lord of Ahrenbatch meet Ferdinand in the autum of the same year. 

 

Ferdinand engagement was request from Aub Ahrensbatch in winter one year after Lamprech weding when he was alive  after talking to the king about posibility of removing Ferdinand from Maine. And I still doubt that he was moved to Ahrensbatch to be killed. The plan to kill him only start with the refusal to accept princess of Adal Gisa and if he indeed moved to Ahrensbatch to be killed then the 4th and 5th section need heavy editing because it was the worst self sabotage. Because not only they fail to kill Ferdinand when he only have 2 allies but they kept him alive for 2 more years, enough to cripple the Dietlind faction to the point only Turi clone is the only one left on her side.

 

I think lord of Ahrensbatch request Ferdinand when he still alive to take over Ahrensbatch and giving him not only lord authority but also Retizia faction. His assasination attemp is the result of other incident that lead to war with Reznerev (refusal to accept the princess) and Ehrenfest anexation when Countes Daldorf steal the book and the key.

 

And the secret magic circle between Reznarev embasy and Adal Gisa pallace is the reason why Lord of Ahrensbatch can be Ferdinad's dad. 

Edited by lunarisX, 25 December 2017 - 02:09 PM.

[RoflCat]

The knight captain knew of Ferdi since he was at the palace, so he's aware of his background without having to confirm such thing.

 

And trust me, Georgene definitely wanted Ferdi dead, and probably would've gotten away with it if not for Maine.

She pushed all the work to Ferdi so he'll try to keep Alensbach alive instead of her having to do those works (including the 'dirty' temple works)

She let him live for 2 years because the invader side needed to setup their invasion + being the evil mastermind that she is, she never dirty her own hand to get what she want.

 

Again, it was at the eve of their invasion/when Diet was about to graduate (and would have to assume the official duty thus revealing the secrets they were hiding) that they put the plan into action.

Ferdi was poisoned with the instant-kill poison, which he only survived because of Maine's talisman she gave to him (the same one that showed her the vision of him being poisoned)

And because Maine also heard of Diet's speech on their invasion of Elenfest that they prepared the defense.

 

At the same time as Georgene invading Elenfest, Diet and the prince would've gone to the school and get the holy book, thus usurping the nation.

 

But well everything went downhill because of Maine.

-Killing Ferdi - Maine saved him with her talisman then go to recover him by stealing Alensbach from them (ironically the same method they were going to use to steal Elenfest)

-Invasion of Elenfest/the school - Warned by Maine, in fact one of their trump card, the magic absorbing dude, got rekt because he tried to absorb Maine's magics but overloaded himself instead.

-Mind-controlling drug - GIANT WASHING MACHINE nuff said

-Obtaining the book and becoming king - Maine and Ferdi disrupted the ritual, thus ruining his copy of the book (and unlike Maine/Ferdi who simply share a full copy, the guy's copy is permanently ruined)

 

 

As for the old lord Alensbach being Ferdi's dad - still doubt it, first of all if he is the real dad why was it lord of Elenfest who adopted him?

Having the access to quick portal there doesn't seem to matter seeing as lord of Dunkel apparently visited that place as well.

[lunarisX]

Georgine do want Ferdinand dead but the decission to move him to Ahrensbach happen when Lord of Ahrensbatch still alive. He said to Hildenbrand during engagement anaunchment with Retizia that Ahrensbatch is now saved. the Retizia faction want Ferdinand married with Dietlinde and then adop Retizia. Ferdinand have to do temple work because the temple of Ahrensbatch is empty, and in the process Ferdinand have to use Ahrenbatch knights and nobles as subtitute priest, some of them are high ranking.

 

There are two years gap is because her plan actualy improvised time after time and not well tought. That is why her plan itself full of holes.

 

The poison used is the same that used against Maine and turning people into magic stone. I think its not instant kill but sure kill. It will drain your magic and at the same time slowly turn you into magic stone and you die when your magic completely drained. To counter this you need to drink antidote (the Razneravian have them in form of kanpeito candy) or dip yourself into strong magic potion solution and wait the poison wear out by itself for about two years.

 

The Lord of Ehrenfest adopt him maybe because he know his mother. Ferdinand adoption is supposed to be secret that Ferdinand still need to be returned to Reznerav and his mother took poison and turn herself into magic stone. Nobody know Ferdinand was born in Adal gisa pallace untill he meet Bruce Reno. All lord of Jurgen Schmid hate this practice to the point Adal Gisa tradition was banned by the rulling king.

 

The point is Ferdinand was moved to Ahrensbatch by the will of the previous lord and is to help Ahrensbatch survive because the death of Wolfram because everyone know Diedlinde is not suitable for the office. He genuinely dont want Ferdinad moved there just to be killed. And he died without knowing that his wive action destroy his dynasty because let face it that Retizia the last of his blood line who are lord candidate will be maried out to Blummenfeld. Is he Ferdinad's dad? Probably because of his strange action.

Edited by lunarisX, 26 December 2017 - 03:34 AM.

[RoflCat]

Yes the 'engagement' with Diet was made while the lord was not dead, the MOVING came after, rushed by his death.

And I don't know 'who' Ferdi used for temple work outside of himself, the only one mentioned to help out was Leticia.

 

The two years gap was also because they needed time to mind control all the royal family's knights to use for their coup among other setting up.

Georgene have an overly careful personality. She like to setup layers of traps until she's absolutely sure her plan won't fail no matter what.

Her plan ended up failing because she could never imagine someone like Maine would exist, who saw/hear the plan before it got executed (because of Diet), and INVADE Alensbach just to save Ferdi alone (recruiting Dunkel to her aids while at that)

But wait, she herself got into the foundation space and would've gotten away with it too if not for Silvester being called outside by Florencia just at the right time to not be in the room when Georgene poisoned it (the instant kill kind)

 

No, the poison IS meant to instant kill (if taken in enough dosage). People there there turn into magic stones when they die. Remember when Maine led the knights back to Elenfest? The battle at the villa? Seeing all the people die and turn into magic stone + seeing the poison instantly killing so many people first hand was what gave Maine her trauma against magic stone for a while. 

Heck, even in the amulet vision Maine could hear Diet wondered why is Ferdi still alive when the poison is supposed to kill him instantly.

 

Maine's 2 years of soaking was because of how much magic stone fragments was in her body from years of the fever, and even then it didn't clear out all of them (she had a second soaking, this time less than a month long, during the time Ferdi still was at Elenfest) Normally nobody would survive enough to get to her state (even Ferdi said that line exactly when he first examined her)

 

And no, Ferdi was never meant to return to Rez, he was supposed to have been killed to make magic stone. In fact I think either the invader king or the knight captain made a mention of if only he'd been turn into magic stone as planned.

Because in fear of the outside royal family taking over, the ancient king basically told them "we will let you take back 1 child to continue the blood line, do you want male or female?" they chose male. Any extra children born from the princesses are to be made into magic stones.

And guess who's the chosen male? (hint: Not Ferdi)

 

 

Yes I agree the LORD want Ferdi to help, but GEORGENE is the one planning for Ferdi's death, the lord's death is also likely at her scheme.

I still highly doubt he's Ferdi's dad. What kind of father would have his son marry to a woman who looks (and act) exactly like the same person who tormented him all his life (Veronica)? And to give him  a job that is basically temporary (until Leticia is of age), to make him work desperately while relying on medicines to keep going?

(and don't be saying he didn't know about Veronica, that woman came FROM Alensbach, and it's basically an open secret the whole country know how much Veronica despised Ferdi and tormented him in various ways)
Does THAT sounds like a caring father to you? At least the old Elenfest lord cared enough to personally praise him for getting the top grade (in private), which he in turn did to Maine.

Edited by RoflCat, 27 December 2017 - 12:14 AM.

[lunarisX]

The entire retinue is 5 including Retizia and Rossvita not counting their escort knight. They all fill the holy grail in turn and making great impression to the Knight and Nobles of Ahrensbatch. Filling the holy grail actually easier if you are a noble than blue priest.

 

So far as the wiki, the poison effect is manastonization. Turning the person into mana stone. In normal death only the hearth turn into magic stone, not entire body. So you can have gore fest when bonafiticus run rampage. 

 

What Veronica did to ferdinand only the Reissgang know. Many of the veronica faction member dont know about multiple assasinantion and death of hidemary which drove Ferdinand to the priesthood. Let alone the Lord of Ahrensbatch. Veronica herself does not came from Ahrensbatch, her mother is. Veronica actually one of the Reissgang. Her mother Gabriela was caught having incest relation with her brother and was exilled to Ehrenfest. She then married to count of Greshel and bore 4 children before she died. The first son died before 7, first daughter married to count of Halldenzel and became mother of Elvira, second daughter is Veronica which married to Lord of Ehrenfest and second son Vence the head temple of Ehrenfest.

 

Ferdinand work hard to gather information and allies as fast as possible because after Lord of Ahrensbatch died he need to know his possition. Within 2 years he managed to get majority of them to his side. All of them dont know about the plan to annex Ehrenfest, which tell us that georgine only start her plan when she visit her mother in the white tower and majority of her forces are Bankerstokian who angry because their holy grail subsidy was cut by Ferdinand.

 

And I just read the section that the gate from Reznerev embasy to Adal Gisa pallace can only be open by Lord of Ahrensbatch.

[RoflCat]

So far as the wiki, the poison effect is manastonization. Turning the person into mana stone. In normal death only the hearth turn into magic stone, not entire body. So you can have gore fest when bonafiticus run rampage. 

 

Body parts can turn into magic stones 'as well', but for normal death the whole body will turn into magic stone (which have more magic than just the body pieces)

It's just that the process of turning into magic stone start near the heart, where the magic core is.

 

Case in point: Ferdi having the knights weaken Lord of Winter but NOT hack it apart like they normally do just so the magic stone have the best quality to make Maine's medicine.

 

Veronica actually one of the Reissgang

 

No she's not. Even if she has their blood, the family refuse to recognize her as one of their own.

And blood-relation is not as important in that world if you consider how Elviera consider Maine precious as a real daughter, even though she's aware of Maine's past.

Or how the 2nd wife's son was basically treated as enemy because his mother was in Veronica's faction.

 

. All of them dont know about the plan to annex Ehrenfest, which tell us that georgine only start her plan when she visit her mother in the white tower and majority of her forces are Bankerstokian who angry because their holy grail subsidy was cut by Ferdinand.

 

Georgene have ALWAYS wanted Elenfest ever since young because she's born as the lord's daughter and she have the magic power befits the position.

It's why her dad send her away to Alensbach, so she doesn't murder Silvester in her attempt to get the position.

Him sending her away sadly makes her want Elenfest even more though, as revenge on father/Silvester.

Because she's the type to hold grudges.

As for why the nobles of Alensbach doesn't know about her plan, it's because she only reveals her plan to people who offered their names to her thus giving her guarantee they will never betray her (again, she's overly cautious like that)

 

And of course name offering is a big deal so most nobles wouldn't do it.

While there might be some tricked into joining the attack, the only ones who know the core of the plan are those Georgene have their names.

 

And I just read the section that the gate from Reznerev embasy to Adal Gisa pallace can only be open by Lord of Ahrensbatch.

Which does not support the theory of the old lord being Ferdi's dad, because that magic circle is NOT the only option to visit the villa.

You can manually fly there from the school. (how Maine's group commenced the attack there)

Or use the gate at school that connect directly to the villa.

[lunarisX]

Body parts can turn into magic stones 'as well', but for normal death the whole body will turn into magic stone (which have more magic than just the body pieces)

It's just that the process of turning into magic stone start near the heart, where the magic core is.

 

Monster are difrent because they have body parts that can be dyed with its own magic. That part will transform into manastone upon death like the rainbow collored scales of Ahrensbatch fish, armor like Carapace and thick hide of most land mosnter. Not all of them turn into magic stone or else Maine and Irkner will never be able to produce paper from magic plant. Ferdinannd himself must dissasemble the fish off its scale and poison needle first before killing it or else it will turn into magic stone.

 

No she's not. Even if she has their blood, the family refuse to recognize her as one of their own.

And blood-relation is not as important in that world if you consider how Elviera consider Maine precious as a real daughter, even though she's aware of Maine's past.

Or how the 2nd wife's son was basically treated as enemy because his mother was in Veronica's faction.

 

The fact she was born among them does not erase the fact she used to be one of them.

 

 

Georgene have ALWAYS wanted Elenfest ever since young because she's born as the lord's daughter and she have the magic power befits the position.

It's why her dad send her away to Alensbach, so she doesn't murder Silvester in her attempt to get the position.

Him sending her away sadly makes her want Elenfest even more though, as revenge on father/Silvester.

Because she's the type to hold grudges.

As for why the nobles of Alensbach doesn't know about her plan, it's because she only reveals her plan to people who offered their names to her thus giving her guarantee they will never betray her (again, she's overly cautious like that)

 

The plan only resurfaced after that incident. Before that she and Vence doing holy grail bussines and selling orphan. And yes not all Ahrensbatch aware of her plan, to them its unconstructive to spend energy on backwar territory like Ehrenfest, they dont even have trade agreement. Thats why the annexation is Georgine plan alone not Ahrensbatch.

 

 

Which does not support the theory of the old lord being Ferdi's dad, because that magic circle is NOT the only option to visit the villa.

You can manually fly there from the school. (how Maine's group commenced the attack there)

Or use the gate at school that connect directly to the villa.

 

Adult cant enter the school ground without permision but the Lord can go through Reznarev Embasy anytime he wish. Ferdinand even joked about the two Reznarev pricess who cant even enter their own room because it can be opened by the Lord who is now dead.

[RoflCat]

Monster are difrent because they have body parts that can be dyed with its own magic. That part will transform into manastone upon death like the rainbow collored scales of Ahrensbatch fish, armor like Carapace and thick hide of most land mosnter. Not all of them turn into magic stone or else Maine and Irkner will never be able to produce paper from magic plant. Ferdinannd himself must dissasemble the fish off its scale and poison needle first before killing it or else it will turn into magic stone.

 

That's kinda repeating what I said though? That  on 'death' is when things turn into magic stone, hence why they have to de-scale the fish while it's still alive.

 

As for why Maine can make paper out of magic plants, my guess is that those plants diffuse its magic throughout its body instead of having a 'core' to condense its magic, this in turn give its materials the magic properties (tronbe paper is resistant to fire) and only when it bears 'fruit' that is a condensation of its magic that those can be turned into magic stone (for Maine's medicine)

 

The fact she was born among them does not erase the fact she used to be one of them.

 

Errr..what?

 

The plan only resurfaced after that incident. Before that she and Vence doing holy grail bussines and selling orphan. And yes not all Ahrensbatch aware of her plan, to them its unconstructive to spend energy on backwar territory like Ehrenfest, they dont even have trade agreement. Thats why the annexation is Georgine plan alone not Ahrensbatch.

 

Yes it's Georgene's plan, that's also why she only acted AFTER she likely poisoned off the lord and the other wives, giving herself the ruling authority however temporary it is.

 

I don't think I ever said the plan to invade Elenfest/poison Ferdi was ever Alensbach's plan, I've always said it's Georgene's.

 

Adult cant enter the school ground without permision but the Lord can go through Reznarev Embasy anytime he wish. Ferdinand even joked about the two Reznarev pricess who cant even enter their own room because it can be opened by the Lord who is now dead.

 

Which chapter did he say this? I'm not sure Ferdi is the type to ever 'joke' in that way.

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That's kinda repeating what I said though? That  on 'death' is when things turn into magic stone, hence why they have to de-scale the fish while it's still alive. 

 

Not all magic creature turn entirely into magic stone. Mostly only organs that have high magic concentration  turn into magic stone like hearth or fruit and creature like fish need to be descaled to prevent itself from turning into magic stone. Humans dont have scales/hide so you can see gore when someone is killed.

 

 

Errr..what?

 

Veronica was born in Greschell. She was part of Reissgang family (Reissgang/Halldenzell/Greschell/Kilnsburg). She was not born in Ahrensbatch and her feud with the Reissgang is about securing lordship for Jillvester and Willfried.

 

 

Which chapter did he say this? I'm not sure Ferdi is the type to ever 'joke' in that way.

 

 

The joke is in SS about Retizia viewpoint about cake and toys from Maine. Retizia tell Ferdinand that Dietlinde who often enter Reznarev embassy say that theres a room for  Reznarev princes that can only be opened by lord of Ahrensbatch. Then Ferdinand joked about those princess who cant get into their room (because the Lord is dead).

 

Ferdinand hate Reznarev because their civilization evolved on turning people into magic stones and then absorbing them. The poison that turn people into magic stones came from  Reznarev. And when the dust settled he prefer to have the door closed and lost sugar trade exclusivity than having contact with them. There will be no normalization between Alexandria and Reznarev untill they stop their barbaric practice. Then Maine joke about the Irony from having the only gate open to the only gate clossed.

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Not all magic creature turn entirely into magic stone. Mostly only organs that have high magic concentration  turn into magic stone like hearth or fruit and creature like fish need to be descaled to prevent itself from turning into magic stone. Humans dont have scales/hide so you can see gore when someone is killed.

 

The fish does, or rather pretty much every single magic non-black magic beasts mentioned do.

Remember the fight while Maine tried to crystallize the fruit? Especially on description of Ferdi throwing a net out and the next moment 'poof' there's just magic stones on the net.

The fish have to be descaled WHILE ALIVE, because if they kill it, THE WHOLE BODY will turn into magic stone, thus instead of getting so many magic stones from the scales you get just one.

 

At this point I'd prefer you find me a mention of having to gouge out someone's heart/stone rather than think gore, and not just the short moment before turning into magic stone, is there.

 

 

 

Veronica was born in Greschell. She was part of Reissgang family (Reissgang/Halldenzell/Greschell/Kilnsburg). She was not born in Ahrensbatch and her feud with the Reissgang is about securing lordship for Jillvester and Willfried.

 

I'm pretty sure the feud (and why Raissegang was so against Alensbach) was from her mother's day.

Unless I'm mistaken, her mother was from Alensbach, and basically bullied the Raissegang bride (who marry the lord by tradition to show the Raissegang that the lord still hold their family as important as the food source of Elenfest) by using the fact that she had connection to Alensbach.

 

 

 

The joke is in SS about Retizia viewpoint about cake and toys from Maine. Retizia tell Ferdinand that Dietlinde who often enter Reznarev embassy say that theres a room for  Reznarev princes that can only be opened by lord of Ahrensbatch. Then Ferdinand joked about those princess who cant get into their room (because the Lord is dead).

 

Ferdinand hate Reznarev because their civilization evolved on turning people into magic stones and then absorbing them. The poison that turn people into magic stones came from  Reznarev. And when the dust settled he prefer to have the door closed and lost sugar trade exclusivity than having contact with them. There will be no normalization between Alexandria and Reznarev untill they stop their barbaric practice. Then Maine joke about the Irony from having the only gate open to the only gate clossed.

 

Oh, :v I skipped Leticia's SS simply because I know it's going to be depressing as fuck (and I did confirm it by skipping to the end, where Diet dropped Leticia's best friend/maid's magic stone on her for maximum despair)

 

Ferdi...uhh....if anything...doesn't care...whether it's the country or the outside one. He just want to do his research.

Him 'only' closing the door was actually because the Gods basically banned killing anyone, even if they're the invaders (in fact, the remaining invaders will be allowed to live on as magic provider, similar to Veronica being in the white tower)

 

 

Also, I don't really care about 'who' is Ferdi's dad, especially with a bigger scandal to think of from the new chapter.

The latest chapter on Hannelore's spinoff just revealed that someone just cut off Ferdi's thread at 20 years ago, i.e. likely the turning point where he survived by getting adopted to Elenfest.

AND THEY SEND MAINE TO SAVE HIM

IN OTHER WORD, THE GODDESS THE OLD LORD OF ELENFEST MENTIONED MIGHT ACTUALLY BE MAINE HERSELF!

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The fish have to be descaled WHILE ALIVE, because if they kill it, THE WHOLE BODY will turn into magic stone, thus instead of getting so many magic stones from the scales you get just one.

 

Commoner cook the fish by boiling it alive. Local dish of Ahrensbatch, boiled sea monster. Schumir also hunted for their meat. Only magic creature that have body parts that can be dyed with magic will entirely turn into magic stone, but only after it's body parts dyed with magic.

 

 

At this point I'd prefer you find me a mention of having to gouge out someone's heart/stone rather than think gore, and not just the short moment before turning into magic stone, is there.

 

Battle of Garlach? There's dead body of the new Count of Garlach in the office. 

 

 

I'm pretty sure the feud (and why Raissegang was so against Alensbach) was from her mother's day.

Unless I'm mistaken, her mother was from Alensbach, and basically bullied the Raissegang bride (who marry the lord by tradition to show the Raissegang that the lord still hold their family as important as the food source of Elenfest) by using the fact that she had connection to Alensbach.

 

 

Gabriella doesnt have disturbing personality other than fucking her brother. Veronica faction is indeed inherited from previous Gabriella faction, mostly people who follow Gabriella from Ahrensbatch but the one piss off everyone is when the previous lord died, she go full throttle poisoning anyone who stand on her way. And this is done without telling her own underling. The Veronica faction still dont know why the Reissgang hate them.

 

 

IN OTHER WORD, THE GODDESS THE OLD LORD OF ELENFEST MENTIONED MIGHT ACTUALLY BE MAINE HERSELF!

 

Hopefully no time reset because the entire 5th part will be useless. My guess is she tell the previous lord to adopt Ferdinand. And Hannelore will be reverse harem protagonist. I still hope there is no time reset.

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Commoner cook the fish by boiling it alive. Local dish of Ahrensbatch, boiled sea monster. Schumir also hunted for their meat. Only magic creature that have body parts that can be dyed with magic will entirely turn into magic stone, but only after it's body parts dyed with magic.

I'm pretty sure those weren't monsters.

 

Shumil was hunted for their trash magic stone actually, it's sold to a shop in the slum and that shop then sell it to nobles to power magic tools that doesn't require much power.

I remember this bit pretty well because it's one of the proposed idea to get Maine's book delivery system (make a small transport magic circle that can be powered with trash magic stones)

 

Also, human are already dyed with magic, that's their own magic color (or in Maine's case, Ferdinand's)

 

Battle of Garlach? There's dead body of the new Count of Garlach in the office. 

Which Mathias said

「もう助かりません。魔石化が始まっています」
"He can no longer be saved. He's starting to turn into magic stone"

 

If the process start at the heart and the rest of the body is unchanged, how can Mathias tell?

He can because the whole body is turning into one (also Mathias's dad basically turned part of his own body into magic stone to have more capacity)

 

Hopefully no time reset because the entire 5th part will be useless. My guess is she tell the previous lord to adopt Ferdinand. And Hannelore will be reverse harem protagonist. I still hope there is no time reset.

 

My guess is that if anything, after Maine return the Gods realized "oh, that WAS exactly the history that was woven, so the thread being cut was pre-ordained"

 

Hanne's actions shouldn't change any major event, especially since she herself too wanted much of the history that happened to remain there (after all, her domain rose to be the 1st rank, the knights got to experienced a 'real Ditter', and she too got to redeem her shame)

 

I think the main change is probably that Hanne will try to get Wil to give her the conditions for marriage, since at this point he's still a lord candidate, instead of 'someone who will become Giebe after graduation' one year later thus losing the qualification to marry her who's now got even higher status than before (Dunkel became 1st rank domain, Hanne is recognized as the best friend of Maine, and assuming history re-convene the events later, is now a fellow 'avatar of a Goddess' with Maine)

 

Frankly, from the problem that Wil mentioned

1. The residents do not want a Raissegang to be Giebe

2. Whoever will be the Giebe there will have to be able to act as mediator for Elenfest and Alexandria.

 

I think assigning Aurelia (the bride from Alensbach that was friendly to Maine) to be the Giebe would work.

She was the niece of the lord, so she's got the magic power of a high rank noble.

By assigning her, instead of her husband, technically the Giebe will be someone NOT of Raissegang (since her family was part of Veronica faction)

(this is similar to the logic of how the Raissegang wanted Maine to be the lord, instead of Wil, even if he's still going to be her husband)

She's friendly with Maine already (and her husband is Maine's brother) so she will work as a bridge for the two domain.