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Figured this might be a cute romantic comedy of sorts, but...it doesn't really feel like it. It's kinda poorly paced, and I don't really get a feel for the characters.


Oh, and what the FUCK kind of threat is "Don't say anything, or I'll rape you."?
This guy's supposed to be the love interest?

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Haru sure says some things absurd sometimes but he doesn't say that with bad intentions... It's all part of his innocence and the simple-minded personality of him, I guess.
Indeed, I don't think he even thinks about what he's gonna say so that's not thaat bad. I think it's funny.

But if there's someone to dislike, that's Shizuku... She's bossy, only thinks about herself most of the times and the way she treats Haru is really bad in my opinion. I find her a real pain .-.

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They're both pretty dysfunctional people. But it's OK. They're both also in a weird way the only ones who can, I dunno, not understand each other exactly . . . it's like neither of them understands the rest of the world so they don't find each other any weirder than they find normal people, and they feel like they're in the same boat at least in being outsiders. And they give each other something they're missing.
For all his brains on tests and such, he's a creature almost entirely of instinct. She's all about cold, Vulcan-like rationality . . . but she's not a Vulcan, human instincts are there somewhere. It seems like it takes his raw emotions unshaped by convention to get through her shell. And he responds somehow to her brutal honesty, maybe gets somehow that any emotion that manages to come out is going to be the real deal. I dunno if that's exactly it, but it's a really interesting relationship, two very different, very flawed people coming to need each other. I like it.

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jeez,

Been a long time since anyone commented on this manga. Yeah, they are two very flawed people. They need slightly more than high school help. Since this is a completely different comic from Dr. Frost, I don't know where they are going to get it, but the need is more than shoujou power is going to provide. Homeboy needs something more than a slap along side his head.. If she can take care of his peculiar problems, she is a genius and conventional psychology is useless. i think he needs some real psychological help. I ain't saying that he is crazy, he just needs some professional help. I like a girl who does her best for someone, but best doesn't cut it when huge psychiatric problems are present.

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Frankly, I am deeply suspicious of the psychiatric profession's claims to efficacy. There's two sides--the talk and the drugs. The drugs have some uses but are more dangerous than they admit and, in the case of antidepressants, much less effective than they admit, many are massively overprescribed, and when prescribed to people who don't need them they are actively harmful. I strongly suspect that most people's brain chemistry would be impacted better by the effects of regular sex or strenuous exercise than by antidepressants.
As to the talk, there have been studies of recovery rates from problems like depression, broken down by different theoretical approaches, and with a control of just talking to friends. They found no difference in effectiveness between the approaches and no difference in effectiveness between seeing shrinks and just talking to friends.
So I dunno if getting professional help would do him any more good than being with her. There's not that much they can do IMO unless you're actually schizophrenic, like hearing voices and the whole nine yards, in which case meds can actually be very important.

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While I have to agree that many anti-depressant drugs are over-prescribed, and many psychiatrists (who are MD's as well) seem to fill people up on a veritable cocktail (the word they use), I can speak from a layman's point of view on their efficacy in certain cases. A close relative has been diagnosed with bi-polar disorder since 1993. She went through several counselors and Psychiatrists, until she found one Psychiatrist who is also a pharmacologist. He worked with her for two years trial and error until finding the proper medication for her. Not all of it is psychotropic. Before her treatment, she was shaken by extreme mood swings, being furiously angry one day and totally depressed and sleeping for 20 hours a day a few days later. This doctor's treatment went from 1995 to 1997. Fifteen years later, she is basically on the same medication and 1997, and the complete change from before is amazing. She still sees him once a year.

Unfortunately, PLG is also right. There are many "professionals" out there who are in it to make money, and are the ones who can tell the patient, or his/her parents, that the treatment needs to go on and on. It depends on the Psychiatrist and the Psychologist. There are a lot of quacks in both fields, but the Psychiatrist at least needs to have a medical degree, and not just a PHD. The quacks, to my mind, are the ones who get repeat visits and dope someone up with rytalin, when all the person needs to do is go out and ride a bicycle or play softball. The desire to make more money seems to have an effect on the number of young people diagnosed with ADD. Unfortunately, it is difficult for a layman to know who is the real doctor, and who is the opportunist who wants a second BMW.

I guess that my overall point is that there are REAL psychiatrists out there, and the first step someone with a social or psychological disorder should be to get some help. The problem is that it isn't as cut and dried as, say, hypothyroidism or an inflamed appendix. I still believe in the psychiatric profession as a profession, though. There just seems to be a lot of abuse.

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He doesn't need to be on medication, it's obvious merely talking to someone would help clear up a lot of his family and life angst. Since the beginning of the series, he's been more chatty, and he has changed for the better.

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I think that he just needed someone that knows he is not a freaking stereotypical bastard which everyone thinks is a murderer, but actually needed someone who doesn't gives a foop for what he is. I love the little funny couple they make,

but somehow I feel sorry for Yamaken because it is true that he and her are probably better suited for each-other depending on their traits.


Edited by RainbowDepression, 04 November 2013 - 01:28 PM.

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At first I was really confused about Haru's character. He was violent, weird, hyper, blunt, a littlee emotional. I don't know. But then I just reminded myself that he's awkward and he's not always around with people... especially friends. So yeah *U* It is an adorable manga. You will learn to love the characters little by little as they develop. Their life stories are endearing and touching too. :D 



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At first I was really confused about Haru's character. He was violent, weird, hyper, blunt, a littlee emotional. I don't know. But then I just reminded myself that he's awkward and he's not always around with people... especially friends. So yeah *U* It is an adorable manga. You will learn to love the characters little by little as they develop. Their life stories are endearing and touching too. :D

I waited for this manga to end before I fully read it, so here's my delayed reply..
I didn't really come to love the characters, from the start it seems awfully Shojou-esque with the Twilight-Bishie Haru, full of Bishie-sparkles. Even though this manga kept the sparkles to a minimum, relatively, I still felt like the entire point of this manga is to construct some mild, low-budget melodrama with extreme situations with extreme emotions. And then it just ended.
I mean, how many times did we get to hear Haru and Mitty confess their love for each other while the other one was *IN DOUBT*? What is this, Friends?
So, I don't quite agree with your opinion on character-development...Even if the coldness of Mitty changed by the end, it changed in a manner which was so transparent it did not even carry; she merely reacts differently in very specific situations, at every other situation she reacts with her usual coldness... And Natsume...Natsume stayed the exact same person throughout the entire manga more than anyone....

With that being said, this manga was definitely fun to read. It's a shame that it avoided on actual character-development..But I can get the author. If he would to develop anyone, Haru's troll-logic would be necessary to be put to question, just like Shirou's from Fate/Stay night. But since he didn't, the manga is just a group of fun and insanely-eccentric characters playing around with an ending that dooms it.

P.S: The manga tries to tell you that it is just stupid-fun the entire way, so guys (even if it's 2 years later), for the sake of argument; I don't think psychiatry and medication is at all relevant to this manga. The characters hardly exist outside of Shojou fantasy land.
Although I do agree it is sometimes fun to pretend how would constructed, artificial, contrived characters be received in the real world. Every single superhero-Bishe with way too much time on one's hands, which arrives exactly when one needs him, would be put to so much question he would be compared to an obsessive stalker.
Also, don't forget that the "cool" types in this Shojou-esque mags in reality are thrown away after the excitement and novelty of the experience wears out. There's hardly ever any happy ending for people so fucked up. 


Edited by Solipsist, 14 July 2014 - 01:14 PM.