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[Question]

Do a comic search for yaoi series, look at the list, and then compare it to the yuri ones.

 

This is an old pic i did a while back. There are WAY more translated yaoi series on batoto compared to yuri ones. Just look at the last update dates. In one week, more yaoi series are updated compared to one entire month of yuri updates.

 

Why?

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[OMGWTFBBQPONIES]

Because there are many more yaoi than yuri manga in general?

The "Batoto" part in your question tries to narrow the disproportion problem too much, Batoto is pretty much at the end of the manga chain and any possible cases of some big yuri-scanlating group not allowing rehosting their releases wouldn't affect what's being published/released in Japan. Also not related to this site, but it seems that a lot of yaoi are the doujinshi equivalent of hentai.

 

Random B-U thread asking about it:
https://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=35760

 

Also not sure how valid it is right now, but iirc some time ago most of yaoi were either very short stories or one-shots whereas most yuri works were low-publishing-frequency stuff or parts of one-shot anthologies.

 

Some Batoto-related variable regarding the upload frequency could be Spanish releases. Either re-translations of English ones or any original translations from (apparently very active) Spanish yaoi groups.

[sjoe]

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Edited by sjoe, 13 March 2016 - 07:46 AM.

[svines85]

Do a comic search for yaoi series, look at the list, and then compare it to the yuri ones.

 

This is an old pic i did a while back. There are WAY more translated yaoi series on batoto compared to yuri ones. Just look at the last update dates. In one week, more yaoi series are updated compared to one entire month of yuri updates.

 

Why?

 

What kind of answer are you looking for here? I mean seriously, your post has an almost accusatory tone to it like you think this is someone's fault or some intentional manipulation.

[Halo]

More people fap to yaoi than yuri. /thread

 

Some actual numbers though: yaoi and shounen-ai: 2257 titles, yuri or shoujo-ai: 1124 titles. That's actually a fairly good ratio, considering how niche this genre is.

Edited by Halo, 13 March 2016 - 07:43 PM.

[Question]

Because there are many more yaoi than yuri manga in general?

The "Batoto" part in your question tries to narrow the disproportion problem too much, Batoto is pretty much at the end of the manga chain and any possible cases of some big yuri-scanlating group not allowing rehosting their releases wouldn't affect what's being published/released in Japan. Also not related to this site, but it seems that a lot of yaoi are the doujinshi equivalent of hentai.

 

Random B-U thread asking about it:
https://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=35760

 

Also not sure how valid it is right now, but iirc some time ago most of yaoi were either very short stories or one-shots whereas most yuri works were low-publishing-frequency stuff or parts of one-shot anthologies.

 

Some Batoto-related variable regarding the upload frequency could be Spanish releases. Either re-translations of English ones or any original translations from (apparently very active) Spanish yaoi groups.

 

Im pretty sure the screenshot is only for english updates but that might be wrong. If you check the front page everyday for an extended period of time, you can see yaoi manga gets updated quite frequently, while yuri is extremely rare. The yaoi series dont appear to be mostly doujinshi either.

 

If yaoi is a much larger genre than yuri, then i guess the question is, why? I mean yes, the obvious answer is "there is more demand", but why? This discrepancy is not really present elsewhere...western fiction does not feature a massive gap between gay and lesbian fiction, neither does porn.

 

What kind of answer are you looking for here? I mean seriously, your post has an almost accusatory tone to it like you think this is someone's fault or some intentional manipulation.

 

Its dissapointing that you think that way.

Edited by Question, 18 March 2016 - 09:10 PM.

[svines85]

Im pretty sure the screenshot is only for english updates but that might be wrong. If you check the front page everyday for an extended period of time, you can see yaoi manga gets updated quite frequently, while yuri is extremely rare. The yaoi series dont appear to be mostly doujinshi either.

 

If yaoi is a much larger genre than yuri, then i guess the question is, why? I mean yes, the obvious answer is "there is more demand", but why? This discrepancy is not really present elsewhere...western fiction does not feature a massive gap between gay and lesbian fiction, neither does porn.

 

 

Its dissapointing that you think that way.

 

Pfffft!

 

"Why is the sky blue, daddy?"

 

Again, just what answer are you trying to fish out of someone here?

[Chocolate Chip]

 This discrepancy is not really present elsewhere...western fiction does not feature a massive gap between gay and lesbian fiction, neither does porn.

 

What scientific studies are you basing that claim on? Because I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Edited by Chocolate Chip, 18 March 2016 - 11:26 PM.

[Question]

Pfffft!

 

"Why is the sky blue, daddy?"

 

Again, just what answer are you trying to fish out of someone here?

 

If you dont want to contribute to the topic, dont reply.

 

 

What scientific studies are you basing that claim on? Because I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

 

 

There doesnt need to be scientific studies. Are you making the claim that in western fiction, gay fiction is much more popular than lesbian fiction? In your experience, is that something you have experienced, etc?

 

Western fiction lumps both gay and lesbian fiction into one category instead of the japanese use of yaoi/yuri so its not easy to differentiate between the 2 unfortunately.

Edited by Question, 22 March 2016 - 08:17 AM.

[Chocolate Chip]

Here's what you see if you go to the Gay & Lesbian category at amazon.com:

 

 

How many books about lesbians do you see there?

 

Or, let's take a look at Archive of Our Own:

 

M/M category: 1,105,566 entries

F/F category: 145,768 entries

Edited by Chocolate Chip, 22 March 2016 - 10:12 AM.

[svines85]

If you dont want to contribute to the topic, dont reply.

 

 

Topic? What topic, exactly, is that? You adamantly demanding someone tell you why there's more yaoi than yuri? That seems like an actual topic of conversation to you? I mean, c'mon, you got told the (obvious, just nothing but common sense) answer within about 30 freaking minutes of making your post.

 

I said it before, you're basically saying "Why is the sky blue?" and very overtly implying that you don't like it and someone damn well better come up with an explanation. 

 

Hey,  I've got one for you, how come you're not, just as adamantly, demanding that someone explain to you just why there's so many shounen manga on Batoto compared to shoujo? Oh, but you're not interested in that, are you? Oh no, you wanna single out yaoi, specifically......uh huh, right, it's not really rocket science to figure out where you're coming from here.

[Alles]

Maybe because there are a lot of fujoshi everywhere. I rarely find someone who read yuri manga. Also if you notice, a lot of yaoi manga is being made as anime. 

[Gala Lion]

Guys seriously though we need more Yuri groups there are so many good Yuri manga that need to be translated there is even one about pregnant lesbians oh wait that one was a yuri hentai manga I think  

[Natureboy]

Straight guys that fap to girl-on-girl western porn wouldn't necessarily read scanlated yuri (too much about feelings and not enough action). Group sex hentai also kinda fills that niche.

 

In contrast, much (most?) yaoi has a large female fanbase. Whether or not there's a big difference in the same-sex fanbase, the cross-gender appeal to straight girls would make yaoi titles more popular/likely to be published/likely to be scanlated.

[Umedyn]

I believe the statement was more about the fact that there is more yaoi in general than yuri, but especially on this site, if not in general to scan sites. I think that the point that Alles said is true, fujoshi is a larger genre and has a larger fan base in Japan, than yuri does.

 

While yuri does seem to be getting larger, It hasn't been able to keep up with fujoshi. Now there are some other sites that try and specialize in mainly yuri scans (dunno if I can name names, but I can pm with the site if it's not allowed to say another scan site on this one), but it's the fact that yuri just isn't being made as much as yaoi, I wish that wasn't the case, being a yuri fan myself.

 

In time both will probably become less and less of a niche genre, and be more accepted as just "romance" or another subset of that larger umbrella

[Life Inside A Room]

Well, let me tell you a story: Once upon a time, there were a group of women who, with their various demon acts, broke men apart.  Chipping away at their souls and minds, men with each generation males stayed indoors becoming weaker, eventually leading to the dominant rise of the Females ruling society, generally remembered as the rise of the Feminist Nazis  All this changed when two men, Sub Uke and Dom Seme, realized the discovery of the magic called BL. By utilizing this magic, the two men found that they now had the power to not only fight against the tyranny Female Nazis, they could also end it. The two men then spread out the knowledge and then created the brotherhood and organization: Yaoi. With both the powers and numbers together, the brotherhood then set out to eliminate their overlords. With victories and losses, thought Yaoi has won the battle of those who oppressed them, they have not won the overall war. Even with the Femi-nazis decreasing from the Yaoi rebellion and the civil war with the female organization, Lily, both The Yaoi and eventually made a non-aggressive pact. And so, with the decades and eons passing, even with the people who have now forgot the wars that marked history, the Yaoi still remain within the shadows, quietly reminding the magic which lies in BL.

So whenever you read a yaoi, remember, whenever you get confused or "the other you" reacts at something different, know that you are awakening to the magnificent magic powers of BL.

 

Jokes aside, it mostly has to do with the culture in Japan. There's a set standard and generalized genre which male mangakas had, then some female mangakas came along and they were like "what should I be drawing to garner readers?" then boom, you get Dom Seme and friggin Sub Uke. I srsly dont know what happened with the history behind this. Anyways, Fujoshis and most female mangakas, because they suck at every other genre and were more interested in making guys be pinned down and dominated by other guys, gave the result of over-production of BL. Yuri on the other hand isn't as popular due to the majority who work on them, are in the minority of interest. The fandom on the other hand, is only interested in yugivmefeelings yuri or animated Yuri that has bear girls licking honey covered lilys covering over another girl and some other bear girl licking along side that first bear girl and the video playing in slow motion with--- I digress but yeah that should answer a lot for yah.