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Comic appropriate for Batoto but not allowed? - ask for re-evaluation here...


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This topic is intended only for comics that have been removed from Batoto in the past. Questions about new comics go here

If you have reviewed Batoto's views on appropriate content and think the comic in question does not go against them you can ask for re-evaluation here.

To review what Batoto considers appropriate check out this topic.

 

Format to ask for re-evaluation: (Doesn't need to be exactly that but should be structured well.)

 

Comic Name - Link to comic on Batoto

 

Reasons why it is NOT against the rules:

  • Reason 1 - (e.g. Purpose of story, censoring appropriate, etc)
  • Reason 2 -
  • etc.

IMPORTANT: Comparing to other things that are on Batoto is not a valid argument, you need to reference the guidelines on appropriate content.

 

DISCLAIMER: Reviewing comics does take a lot of time. (We have to read all of it for a start.) So it will most likely take us quite some time for us to actually get to them.

The more concise your information is and the better it is structured, the easier it will be for us and therefore quicker.



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I would like to ask for re-evaluation of Usotsuki Paradoxhttp://vatoto.com/comic/_/comics/usotsuki-paradox-r2113.

 

I think this is appropriate because it's a mature, character-driven depiction of unfaithfulness, which ends in communication and not violence. Sex is plentiful, but used for demonstration and communication, and no genitalia are shown.

 

Summary of content:

This manga does not show genitalia or children. It contains a lot of sexual intercourse beginning around the middle of the whole manga - Chapter 43 or so I think - which is depicted graphically par or slightly over par for Seinen/Josei manga. They are someone explicit (Chapter 61 is probably the most explicit one) but not excessive in frequency. It is a storyline and plot-oriented manga, with complex characterisation and character development, which is reinforced by and shown through the sexual content. I think that parents would frown strongly upon showing this to young teens as it concerns mature themes such as cheating and deception.



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I would like to request a clearer statement on what is deemed appropriate and what is not because the current standards are, in my opinion, lacking in consistency and are subject to a mod's personal taste imo.

 

While I'm aware that it's not good spirit to compare mangas, I find that the seinen, adult mangas do get unfairly treated and discriminated compared to josei and/or yaoi adult mangas. It seems like, mangas aimed towards the female readers, have a higher chance of being accepted than those aimed towards male readers, which should not happen.

 

To name one example: Cross & Crime (Seinen). While it does show excessive sex scenes, it is not more or less graphic, violent or whatnot than for instance Caste Heaven (Yaoi). Both deal with a great deal of sexual oppression and violence. And before you ask, no, I'm not trying to get Caste Heaven removed.

 

Both example mangas should only be read by people adult enough to do so and be able to distinguish between reality and fiction. I'd also tag both with "adult", "ecchi", "violence", "rape" and "psychological".

 

Batoto has become a registered readers community. So why not have people register a birth date and grant access to these kind of mangas based on said date? You could put a stand-by time on the date for newly registered members/people newly adding the date. That'd stop people from creating new accounts for sport with a fake bday. Make the bday optionable for the entire community to see, so that, if you want that, only a mod could see your birth date. I haven't added it either because I don't see an option to hide it from the entire community (I just think it's no one's business when my bday is).

 

C&C as well as CH are both 18+ mangas to buy in Japan and I could only buy it with a credit card/age confirmation but both mangas are sold by main-stream bookstores like animate. They do both show psychologically sick people forcing others into sex. While I haven't read the end of CH (simply because it's not even close to finished in Japan), I do know that C&C has the character involved in the sexual violence reflecting at the end and reforming his character. It's deeply psychological and disturbing and the people shown should all see a shrink and get professional help, yes. But it does have a plot and character development. It depicts how a mistreated child becomes an adult who mistreats others and only notices the flaw in his actions when he is confronted with the reality that he's harmed the one person that has helped him live through his agonizing past.

 

Both mangas have whitened-out and/or pixalized/blocked genitalia and show sexual and non-sexual violence, neither is a Lolicon manga. So - what's the difference that makes one acceptable and the other not? Female nipples vs. male nipples? Are we really there already? It's like this youtube CollegeHumor video. You cannot expect people to respect and understand your policy if it is inconsistent and patronizing towards certain adult (!) reader groups.

 

The last update was saying something about an "internal debate" from 2014. I think it's high-time to get some words on that. With my proposed age restriction, this entire thing would be way easier. It'd keep kids from gaining access by simply clicking "Are you aware that this is adult content? Yes." and not patronize adult readers as much as it is currently doing. Kids would lose interest if they had to wait -for instance- a month for their added age to become valid. Let's be honest - they'd most likely have forgotten the manga they were about to read when they added the date.

 

PS: If you should ponder about reviewing CC based on it's story, you can contact me as I do have the entire Japanese raws and am willing to share the not yet scanlated parts for reviewing purposes. Seinen Scans only scanlated it up to ch.32 and I'm unaware of another English language group picking it up. I'm more asking for a general update and reviewing of the policy though because it is inconsistent, unclear and curries favor towards specific reader groups while discriminating against others.