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Unrealistic concepts of violence and war. Inquirers, the new world government and religion.


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http://vatoto.com/reader#904814a44cf4a239_7

 

Each country is being able to maintain its own internal public order is plenty.

 

 

 

Violence isn't limited to country to country.  What if there is no real government to maintain internal public order. What if there is a government, but its suppressing and abusing its people? What if there is civil war? What if armed militia are going around raping, pillaging, murdering, and forcibly recruiting child soldiers, forcing them to kill their own parents.  What if one area is attacking another area with terrorists, and that area is helpless to do anything because some crazy all powerful but limited minded inquirers destroyed their ability to deal with it.  But these aren't what ifs, they are real (except the last one obviously)

 

So he destroys first world nations standing armies, somehow that saves tens of thousands of lives, because he says so.  But could that cost further lives as well, and I don't just mean soldiers on bases or ships.

 

Do they plan to take every single gun and explosive owned anywhere? What if people make more?  What if they decided to slaughter others with machetes like in Rwanda? Are the inquirers going to take all current and future weapons, even potential weapons, will they become the world government? I don't think they have enough people or power to govern the whole world and take away every single weapon everywhere forever.  I don't see any other way to accomplish their vision.

 

Pervy mocks Makoto for being uncertain. I mock these arrogant inquisitors, especially Yuuki who seems to really think he is god, at least he is playing god. He can become the one world government and religion all rolled into one, people can lose their freedom, but still suffer violence and hunger, oh joy. Makoto would need to be a fool to join or leave unchecked that, yet Yuuki has some good ideas and was a friend, both of which make Makoto hesitate going against him.


Edited by truepurple, 29 November 2015 - 04:09 PM.


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Yuuki is an anti-imperialist, not a totalitarian. The reason he wants to destroy the armies of America and other imperial nations is not to seize total power for himself, but to give it back to the masses of people. Of course, I could be wrong, but I don't think Yuuki is hiding a desire for world dominance. He's also totally apathetic to the concept of religion, and seems annoyed that God has been brought up at all.

 

As for the examples you listed, Nigeria does not have an imperial army - they can't launch an airstrike on Korea or South Africa. Their military that's now fighting Boku Haram, the awful group you listed that recruits children and convinces them to kill their parents, wasn't attacked by the Inquirers. By and large, the 'imperial' armies have ignored Boku Haram (and the Rwandan Genocide) so eliminating only the 'imperial' armies won't change the current status-quo there. 

 

So in short, Yuuki is only against imperial armies and nuclear weapons, which advanced, imperialist countries (mostly the US, but also WWII Japan, colonial Europe, etc) use to force less advanced countries (US over Guatemala, Japan over China, Britain over South Africa, Belgium over the Congo) to do their bidding. There is no easy solution to the instability in the Middle East and Africa, but the imperial armies of the US are definitely not the solution. It can even be argued that the armies are the cause. I'd get into that now, but the next episode of One-Punch Man is on, and then I have to go to my Meme's birthday party, so it can wait...



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A empire is "a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government" of which neither America nor England is one anymore. England still has issues with it's remaining two empire parts, Scottsland and Whales, "United kingdom" but it's what you could call "maintain its own internal public order" as much as anything now. Russia could be called a empire, it did just reconquer one of its previous satellites not that long ago. No mention about destroying Russian armies. Please learn what empire means Cervance.

 

If you think Russia and North Korea would remain still after the worlds democratic super powered armies were destroyed, you are delusion. They would go on conquering sprees. Well South Korea would oppose them and maybe their armies aren't destroyed. So great, a fresh new war of bloodshed. Hell China might go on a conquering spree, no mention of Chinese armies destroyed, and they are a empire. Still want to own completely Hongkong, hell they don't even recognize Taiwan as a independent country, even though it clearly is now. China is still made of many independent parts that have very distinct cultures, and use to be distinct nations. No amount of "One China" ideology will change that. And Chinas government is greedy, it's just not keen to take on more then it can chew. But with other armies destroyed, suddenly the world becomes a softer, more chewable, target.

 

Boku Haram, the awful group you listed that recruits children and convinces them to kill their parents, wasn't attacked by the Inquirers.

 

 

And what if they strike North to Europe now that much of it's defensive armies have been destroyed? They are already getting inundated with people fleeing into Europe, imagine if the conflicts they are running from, chases them now that free armies have been destroyed?

 

Hell, what about piracy? Somali and other African pirates have been a big issue in the past and are still a issue. With much of the free worlds navies destroyed, imagine how much that could expand. What about terrorism like I mentioned? You'd be a idiot if you think that will stop because democratic armies were destroyed, but it likely change to more direct attacks, invasion etc.

 

not to seize total power for himself, but to give it back to the masses of people.

 

So he does that by destroying the means to protect already free people.

 

If this happened in the real world, and Yuuki didn't step in to fill the power vacuum, democracies would fall and massive amounts of people would be killed in the ensuing chaos. Yuuki would be taking away peoples freedom and getting many people killed. But since the author and many of his readers doesn't know shit about how the real world works, that is not so likely to be how it turns out in the comic. The author already got completely wrong how americans would react to this shit. They would not be grateful, and they would not call him god like that so easily. The US has a strong christian faith base in it's population, who would not suddenly abandon their faith like that, and second biggest population is atheist who would by and large definitely be looking for more scientific, and less religious explanation for things.

 

And the anger among the US population for some japanese self proclaimed know it all, assholes destroying the US army and it's allies, would be palpable. I am sure some would show support too, but many would be raging against them, especially with hundreds of deaths from it too. You do realize the US has a big army is due to such being popular enough among a large part of the population that their money get spent on "defense" aka the army, CIA etc.


It can even be argued that the armies are the cause.

 

Armies of free nations are currently the cause of unrest in Africa? And somehow how destroying free armies would magically fix all these conflicts and oppression?  That was a point your whole post revolves around and definitely needs some kind of explanation.

 

If anything, it's the other way around, most of the first world democratic powers noadays only react to more unstable elements jeopardizing them or their interests. Afghanistan was already a unstable warland, and the origin of terrorist attacks. Iraq was ruled by a brutal dictator, who was at war with it's neighbour Iran (who was conscripting children to fight against Iraq) and did invade Kuwait. Iraq was run by a brutal dictator and was a empire.

 

If they were to destroy and disarm the dictators, the terrorists, the war parties/armies, American and British armies would have nothing to do, and might decrease on their own. Standing high end armies are very expensive, and fighting even more expensive, and it is a democracy, even if nothing like a perfect one. So absolute bullshit on the arbitrary tens of thousands saved. More like future hundreds of thousands, (maybe even millions) killed indirectly by these Inquisitors and much of the world losing its freedom, either directly from Inquisitor rule, or indirectly from them acting to destroy democracy and allowing other more violent and enslaving elements to reign chaos.

 

Again, author and many readers are clearly clueless as to how the world works. The inquisitors don't even investigate before they act, they just do this shit like it's the obvious for the better and only choice. So the authors delusion about how the world works is very strong.

 

I'm all for killing a few to save the many (unless the few are good and the many are evil or something)  But that isn't what is happening here. Unless this isn't set in our world, then don't use our nations names. And even if it was set in another world, the Inquisitors act too rashly without investigating what is the best action. The investigators act too arrogantly, like omniscience came with their powers. A world with many nations balanced against each other and nation-less strife elsewhere, would clearly need a nuanced and well thought out approach if you want to improve it for the better, which is nothing like the Inquisitors. The inquisitors don't live up to their name at all!


Edited by truepurple, 30 November 2015 - 02:57 AM.