512 replies to this topic

[Blastoutmaria]

I care less either way. I would support this. But the big reason I like reading from this site cos its neat, clean and organised and most of all, no shitty ads slap all over the site and these damn app ads that would infect shit when I read on my tablet.

And why people think batato would lose new people? If you google a manga, it would most likely to come up on the top page as batato link. Just the choice to either sign up, which takes 2 steps like moving your mouse from left to right, or just close your browser. Difficult yeah?

Oh, and one more thing about member only privatizing, it would be moooooooore great that you are allowed to read some of those 18+ mangas that were blocked numerous time before.

Edited by Blastoutmaria, 20 October 2015 - 05:54 PM.

[sjoe]

I remember visiting some sites that makes it impossible to right-click / press ctrl. Maybe you can do something like this, so they can't easily copy and paste / download images?

That's pretty easy to circumvent.

 

I've always liked this site. And even though I used to read as a non-member for a while, I never really found it a bother to register for once and stay signed in. Like many others, I leave it to you to make what you feel is the best choice.

Edited by sjoe, 20 October 2015 - 05:58 PM.

[Harshrox3]

agree a week delay for non member would be the best instead not letting them read anything, also a page to encourage people to read it at batoto for every manga(for non members only), because 3 years ago I'm a former reader from leecher website but this page made me visit batoto and it took me a year to become a member.

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So why not try it again and make it more direct 

 

I personally started batoto after I read all those post (after spending about 6 months on those shitty sites because I used to think they are talking shit ,some sites even remove those pages so I noticed it much later ).

 

I think it is a good move atleast people will get to know about batoto more

[kira-sama]

Yeah there is also that issue I personally think it is scanlator choice and most in this business knows what batoto is we are here by our own choice to host our material here so I don't think new batoto will crop up soon since this site is by scanlator and as long as trust between batoto and scanlator is strong (which is not gonna go soon) there is no problem for that, since we have our good old batoto  anyway only those agree gator sites will have those problems

 

that's the e-pênis status.

 

but  90% only want to read manga fast.

 

trust me people dont care.

 

about this 1 week delay.

 

horriblesubs is here to prove you that people will NOT wait. they will go other place.

[HenryChrist]

>No more crawly crawly on this site.

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[Harshrox3]

that's the e-pênis status.

 

but  90% only want to read manga fast.

 

trust me people dont care.

 

about this 1 week delay.

 

horriblesubs is here to prove you that people will NOT wait. they will go other place.

 

well that is true people will not wait........... I for one have not had I not been a part of batoto already since everybody prefer the easy way out

 

But if I may say so it requires some click to be a member I think it is bare minimum if you are going to leech on selfless efforts of others

 

Yeah but who is gonna tell this to new users

Edited by Harshrox3, 20 October 2015 - 06:23 PM.

[zevvy]

Am glad I remembered my acc I made some months ago to make a comment. Suppose it will have some more use now.

[kira-sama]

well that is true people will not wait........... I for one have not had I not been a part of batoto already since everybody prefer the easy way out

 

But if I may say so it requires some click to be a member I think it is bare minimum if you are going to leech on selfless efforts of others

 

Yeah but who is gonna tell this to new users

 

fun fact.

 

The easier to create account, better for the bots

 

2 clicks new acc = 2 click new bot

[Harshrox3]

fun fact.

 

The easier to create account, better for the bots

 

2 clicks new acc = 2 click new bot

 

I think Grumpy have made it clear :- "no more crawly crawly on this site "

 

Though I would like to hear your opinion on what can be done ..........................

[p106]

I'd like if there was an option for my scanlations being open to everyone. I don't do my scanlations for money or fame, I want as many people to read them as possible. If only batoto members will be able to read my scanlations then that defeats the entire purpose. Who cares if other sites copy your shit? It was never yours in the first place. The mangaka and the publisher own the manga and all its derivations. Scanlators are just doing public service.

[Manga_Man 420]

It's the right move, go private! 

[Harshrox3]

I'd like if there was an option for my scanlations being open to everyone. I don't do my scanlations for money or fame, I want as many people to read them as possible. If only batoto members will be able to read my scanlations then that defeats the entire purpose. Who cares if other sites copy your shit? It was never yours in the first place. The mangaka and the publisher own the manga and all its derivations. Scanlators are just doing public service.

 

I kind of agree with you

Edited by Harshrox3, 20 October 2015 - 06:51 PM.

[101010]

How would that solve anything? Supposing you have trouble identifying the bots right now and you want to track better their activity, how exactly would mandatory registration help? The most dedicated rippers would either make new accounts regularly or they will make a bunch at once (something you will most likely not be able to detect with the sudden influx of new users) and use them over time. The less dedicated rippers will only be encouraged by this move to step up their game. Or they will just tune their software accordingly. On top of it all, someone (you) will have to go through the logs quite regularly and play a game of cat and mouse. There's also the question of whether the bato.to infrastructure can even take all the envisioned changes.

It's much better to just:

• disable previewing scripts (bato.to is not a ftp server)
• introduce restrictions on traffic, even if just for unregistered users (some websites with online reader have been doing it for years)
• ban all proxies for unregistered users; range ban most unregistered users from China, Africa, and Romania (you know, the proxy countries)

Problem solved.

 

[PhantasmalKiller]

I made an account here about a year ago, and honestly, the reason I made an account is not because I wanted to post in the forums or such, but to take advantage of "My Follow" feature. This really helps me in keeping checks on the latest episodes of my followed comics, because as a member of the workforce, I rarely have the time to scroll down, look carefully for each pages on what's new and etcetera. In fact, before I started using this feature, I often forgot which comics I follow, so when I remembered at times and tried to check the updates, I don't know where to continue.

 

I think we could use features like this to "bait" users to sign as members. Think of it like the relation between g.e-hentai.org and exhentai.org (I'm really sorry for using porn sites as reference, but I can't think of any better example). Normal users, or guest users can browse g.e-hentai gallery freely without restriction, while in other hands exhentai gallery has some contents that are not uploaded in g.e-hentai and you have to be a member if you want to see this restricted content.

 

While it might not be feasible to do content restriction in all-ages comics, unlike 18+ ones (cause I know those "secret" contents are actually somewhat disturbing porn), we could replace "content restriction" with "members-only special features". People basically hated being ordered, and to prevent that, we need to go around and strike from the other side, which in this case we don't actually restrict the content, but we give them lots of beneficial features if they become a member. Or at least that's my opinion, according to my own experience with this site.

[Publius]

It wouldn't affect me, or really anyone posting in this thread. But that's not the concern, and we are the wrong opinions to poll.

 

So the questions you've got to ask yourself are:

 

• Will the change prevent (read: Not reduce or restrict, but eliminate) the negative behavior, and allow batoto to regain its status as a preferred conservancy for scanslators to deposit their works? 
• Will this slow down and/or prevent the slew of DMCA which have hamstrung your website, but not many others?

If the answer to either question is 'no', then making the site private will likely kill it. Annoying a large segment of your traffic while continuing to lose content and still getting your pages ripped by other sites is a big mistake. A wall that is only so high that it annoys the readers, but does not effect a positive change is always a mistake. The wall must either be high and effective, or non existent. Can a wall be that high?

[Cryptogam]

On the topic of it being easy to create an account as a means to make sure more people stay, I'd like to point out the state of the app market of today. Even the smallest hurdle, such as a cost of 1$, greatly decreases the amount of users who'd even look in the direction of the app (or in this case, site).

 

A quite extensive discussion was held about this during the announcement of paid mods for Skyrim on Steam earlier this year on reddit among other places if you feel like reading up on it. Creating an account is not much different to paying 0,5 or 1$; every hurdle is a hurdle too many or large for a lot of people.

 

I'm just afraid the ad revenues will decrease so much that it'll be hard to keep the site going like it is today. Would hate for this lovely site to break down for economical reasons.

I am also of the mind that it will be hard (read impossible) to reduce the stealing done by other sites while still making it accessible, but that is something you probably know more about than I do.

[kira-sama]

I think Grumpy have made it clear :- "no more crawly crawly on this site "

 

Though I would like to hear your opinion on what can be done ..........................

 

that's the point.

you can't do nothing

if they could control piracy scans would never exist, hollywood can't, japan publishers cant.

 

you think a online reader can ?

 

i passed the same and learned my lesson.

 

batoto will not reinvent the wheel here.

 

the equation is pretty simple:

 

they make it hard for bots >> new / casual users go other place. >> apps stop working >> batoto lost more views and mouth to mouth publicity. >> batoto closes/ became so irrelevant that scans will post other place.

 

i have 4 websites i know what i'm speaking about.

 

for exemple you know : http://forums.animesuki.com ?

 

one of the most popular forums.

 

now look the numbers :  Currently Active Users: 603 (113 members and 490 guests)

 

lets say the forum dont let you read anything without registering.

 

how many people wil do it ? 

 

new people enter a forum see a blank board. they create account to check what could be blocked or you leave ?

 

thats how internet work

[Mattkun]

I honestly don't see how this would be beneficial for the site. It'll just drive away the vast majority of people who just want to read here as guests and any bots or scrapers will only need 2 more steps added to them. It's not gonna prevent stealing from this site just a minor hindrance. That suggestion up above about blanket bans on ip's from certain countries would be infinitely better at preventing stealing from this site than the site going private in my opinion. But hey it's your site so ultimately it's up to you. 

[Racky]

I think some of us doesn't understand something. THERE IS NO SUCH THING as total elimination of those sites leeching Batoto (well, other than to teach people to support scanlators and Batoto, not every manga fan is retarded egoist). What Grumpy wants is limitation of such behaviour or at least control over it. If it lessens the traffic... well most of such people use Adblock so it's not a real issue.

Another thing are scanlators, even if they want to give their works for free (which is nice of them), Batoto doesn't work on air. Even if they don't see problems with leeching sites they are problem for servers.

My little story from Batoto. I created account only for language filter and notifications. Many of my friends done exact thing. We just need to promote registration more.

Oh, BTW BakaBT is public tracker with registration, you know what? It lived more than 10 years.

Edited by Racky, 20 October 2015 - 07:16 PM.

[Harshrox3]

 

that's the point.

you can't do nothing

if they could control piracy scans would never exist, hollywood can't, japan publishers cant.

 

you think a online reader can ?

 

i passed the same and learned my lesson.

 

batoto will not reinvent the wheel here.

 

the equation is pretty simple:

 

they make it hard for bots >> new / casual users go other place. >> apps stop working >> batoto lost more views and mouth to mouth publicity. >> batoto closes/ became so irrelevant that scans will post other place.

 

i have 4 websites i know what i'm speaking about.

 

for exemple you know : http://forums.animesuki.com ?

 

one of the most popular forums.

 

now look the numbers :  Currently Active Users: 603 (113 members and 490 guests)

 

lets say the forum dont let you read anything without registering.

 

how many people wil do it ? 

 

new people enter a forum see a blank board. they create account to check what could be blocked or you leave ?

 

thats how internet work

 

 

I agree with you but I don't see problem in delaying release for guests, it is not like they are banned batoto I think is a pretty good site respecting privacy an choice unlike other sites it have ananoymous logins and follows which are really a bonus

Edited by Harshrox3, 20 October 2015 - 07:20 PM.