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[Daktyl]

When I first read this manga, it seemed like a really cute/sweet slice-of-life and I related to the characters because I love books immensely...

 

But after re-reading it (for chapter 6), it doesn't seem that cute anymore. It's obvious the MC(guy) likes the MC(girl), but it really doesn't seem like the opposite is true. It seems like she's just using him as a tool to re-live her old memories. I haven't really seen any situation in this manga that showed me otherwise.

 

Thoughts?

[PotatoCannon]

She has a father complex. Now, if this is a hentai you know where this is going. But it isn't, so I think they'll still end up together.

[Daktyl]

That doesn't take away from what I said though haha. She is still just using him right now, which I think he'll realize in a few chapters and it'll become some sort of drama :/

That they'll end up together is pretty much guaranteed (yay) but the journey is made a little less sweet with this revelation

[Shiroux]

When I first read this manga, it seemed like a really cute/sweet slice-of-life and I related to the characters because I love books immensely...

 

But after re-reading it (for chapter 6), it doesn't seem that cute anymore. It's obvious the MC(guy) likes the MC(girl), but it really doesn't seem like the opposite is true. It seems like she's just using him as a tool to re-live her old memories. I haven't really seen any situation in this manga that showed me otherwise.

 

Thoughts?

Loving and using doesn't contradict just so you know. I can use people but love them all the same. Kanako NEED him and Akio also NEED her. They are both pretty open and know about it.

 

Also, I wouldn't pass her situation as just father complex. I bet it has to do with her mother...

[svines85]

Loving and using doesn't contradict just so you know. I can use people but love them all the same. Kanako NEED him and Akio also NEED her. They are both pretty open and know about it.

 

Really? Your concept of "love" allows for taking advantage of/using your so-called loved ones?

 

You think they'd think you really loved them once they figured out there was actually some other benefit/motive involved?

 

Wow.......that's........that's just an awful commentary.

 

A mutually beneficial (love) type relationship isn't remotely the same as "using" someone.........there ain't no real love going on if there's any consideration of how "using" that someone is advantageous to the other to do so.

[liesmiths]

I disagree with the reading that Kanako is just using Akio and that the affection is one-sided in their relationship. At first, Akio was ready to reject the whole thing if the premise for their relationship was based on just tending to each other's wounds. However, Kanako reassured him that it wasn't so complicated as that: it was just that they were alike and yet different. To her, he was like that place in her memory - 'familiar, comfortable, warm' and Kanako wishes to offer the same to Akio because, while he doesn't admit it as openly as she does, he is also wishing for the same thing.

 

I think the disconnect might be coming from the contrast between the way they cherish each other? Kanako, being the older of the pair, is a lot more forthright with her wishes and demands. She's also a lot more impulsive and she makes her intentions known without first giving it a second thought. In a lot of cases, she jumps right in when she wants something and thinks about possible repercussions later on.  

 

In contrast, Akio is a lot more reserved. He's afraid of making mistakes, being hurt, and hurting another person. He admits to being bad with other people so he tries his best not to get in their way. Initially, his stance toward Kanako was the same: he didn't know what to do so he thought that it would be best not to demand too much and to inconvenience her with his own needs. With her encouragement, though, he's learning to open up a bit more and to be 'a little more spoiled,' which basically means that he begins to ask her for things. It isn't that they're using each other, I think it's more of that they're leaning on/relying on one another - as partners do.  

[ディロ安家]

Its not taking advantage, its about relying to someone!
Love like them is usually will last forever and there no cheating instead.

it's diferent if its about love at first sight or lust.

 

and i'm also keep re-reading it from chapter 1 to last chapter when waiting for update, and its still sweet.

[Shiroux]

Really? Your concept of "love" allows for taking advantage of/using your so-called loved ones?

 

You think they'd think you really loved them once they figured out there was actually some other benefit/motive involved?

 

Wow.......that's........that's just an awful commentary.

 

A mutually beneficial (love) type relationship isn't remotely the same as "using" someone.........there ain't no real love going on if there's any consideration of how "using" that someone is advantageous to the other to do so.

Maybe stop viewing the word 'using' in a negative light.

[svines85]

Maybe stop viewing the word 'using' in a negative light.

 

>__<

 

Well, we're not discussing a word, we're discussing the action/s said word implies........"using" people is intrinsically negative. It's bad.......... decent people don't  "use" other people. At all. 

 

And for God's sake, certainly not in a romantic relationship. As I said, that's just awful.  

Edited by svines85, 17 October 2015 - 02:06 AM.

[Evilnemesis]

>__<
 
Well, we're not discussing a word, we're discussing the action/s said word implies........"using" people is intrinsically negative. It's bad.......... decent people don't  "use" other other people. At all. 
 
And for God's sake, certainly not in a romantic relationship. As I said, that's just awful.

But I believe you are, or you should.To discuss what the word implies both parties must agree what the word actually means, at least in the current context. If not, it becomes two people arguing what the concept ( the word in this case ) means.

If I say : I USE X(person you like/love) when I am sad, they comfort me. This is one of the reasons I like them.
Is that not the truth?

Is it at all different than : I RELY on X when I am sad, they comfort me. This is one of the reasons I like them.

[Daktyl]

But I believe you are, or you should.To discuss what the word implies both parties must agree what the word actually means, at least in the current context. If not, it becomes two people arguing what the concept ( the word in this case ) means.

If I say : I USE X(person you like/love) when I am sad, they comfort me. This is one of the reasons I like them.
Is that not the truth?

Is it at all different than : I RELY on X when I am sad, they comfort me. This is one of the reasons I like them.

I believe the connotation of "use" in this context is a negative one; i.e. "I use X person for my own benefit, while they receive nothing or possibly even lies from me".

 

Relying on them to comfort you implies it's a two-way street: they know you need to be comforted, and they might rely on you for something as well... mutually beneficial (this is something love might come from). Using them implies you keep them around purely for your benefit and ignore the other party's feelings completely, and indeed the other party might not even be aware of how you're using them to benefit yourself.

 

To use somebody and to keep them around by pretending to "love" them is kind of cruel, no?

[Evilnemesis]

I believe the connotation of "use" in this context is a negative one; i.e. "I use X person for my own benefit, while they receive nothing or possibly even lies from me".
 
Relying on them to comfort you implies it's a two-way street: they know you need to be comforted, and they might rely on you for something as well... mutually beneficial (this is something love might come from). Using them implies you keep them around purely for your benefit and ignore the other party's feelings completely, and indeed the other party might not even be aware of how you're using them to benefit yourself.
 
To use somebody and to keep them around by pretending to "love" them is kind of cruel, no?

Relying on them implies no such thing. All my example said was that I relied on them when I needed comforting, this is why I like them. It does not imply I will comfort them or give them something of value at another time.

I could be an asshole, I might be too busy, maybe I am too socially inept to perform such an act. I might be intellectually challenged. I could be any of these people. While I am sure an of these people would appreciate the help they might not reward the other party for any number of reasons. Again, that statement does not imply in any way that I will act favourably to return the favour. Heck, the method of conforting might be me beating the other person and that makes my bad emotions go away.

Even if you would think it's only "normal" that a person would seek to reward another for that behaviour you can't presume that it would be the case. Because I would be able to find a lot of individuals that would do differently.


As for you last bit about pretending to love, I totally agree.

[Gogogamera]

In reguards to what the op stated and revilations of the recently posted chapter, maybe they're using eachother? I still find it sweet and very well written. Very realistic.

[AnshM]

The 2 of them are not using each other, they rely on each other. They have visibly fallen for each other and depend on each other for emotional and moral support. Akio was open to the father about his feelings, and was straightforward enough to say that it is not wrong to pity someone and find comfort by comforting someone else.

[Daktyl]

The 2 of them are not using each other, they rely on each other. They have visibly fallen for each other and depend on each other for emotional and moral support. Akio was open to the father about his feelings, and was straightforward enough to say that it is not wrong to pity someone and find comfort by comforting someone else.

With the latest chapter it's become obvious, but before that it was VERY unclear whether they actually had any sort of feelings for each other. There was a 60/40 chance (leaning towards the bad side) that they were simply using each other vs loving/relying on each other.

 

With the latest chapter, this thread is pretty moot though *shrug*

[AnshM]

With the latest chapter it's become obvious, but before that it was VERY unclear whether they actually had any sort of feelings for each other. There was a 60/40 chance (leaning towards the bad side) that they were simply using each other vs loving/relying on each other.

 

With the latest chapter, this thread is pretty moot though *shrug*

I do believe that there was some doubt as to whether or not these guys truly loved each other until this chapter, but you cant say that it was VERY unclear. I think that prior to the latest update, their relationship would be more like 60 parts love and 40 parts dependence. But I agree that this discussion about feelings can be safely concluded with the arrival of this new chapter

She has a father complex. Now, if this is a hentai you know where this is going. But it isn't, so I think they'll still end up together.

How does she have a father complex? She is put off by him.

[Daktyl]

How does she have a father complex? She is put off by him.

Complexes have to do with more than adoration. Much of her personality, memories, etc are shaped by her father. She's constantly comparing the MC to her father (almost every chapter). Using her father as a basis to judge at the very least her romantic partner on, if not other people is a good basis for a complex in my book.

[jwillie4]

 I do agree to a point with her having a father complex. Although I also believe that her feelings are also that of nostalgia. He reminds her of her mother. Probably the same calming presence. It has seemed to have shown itself  to the father also. As Akio was the first to get him to talk about his feelings. He was also the first person her father sought out after the two arrived at her hometown. Akio bonded with the father in chapter 11. Thus the father was able to come to an understanding with his daughter.