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[asgard22]

Remove everything that has no relevance to the story. If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there.

- Anton Chekhov

 

So with the recent chapter released (ch.14). We see toward the end of the pages, when the hero push the king over the balcony we see black feather appears. DOES ANYBODY know WTF those black feathers are doing there at the point of time(possibly foreshadowing). It got me thinking, why da faq would the author put black feather in that screen. 

 

It got me thinking you know about the whole theory about the hero possibly being the main demon king in the future, which at this moment I'm still not sold on that theory but anyways.

 

I went pack to past chapters, mainly ch1. and if you were to re-look at pg.5-16  of ch.1, BLACK FEATHERS EVERYWHERE. 

The first time we see these black feather is on pg5, where we see the hero fighting the demon king, and if you look closely on the back of the demon king, doesn't it look like as if he has wings that are dark/black colored with similar shape like that of feathers

And throughout the pg from 5-16, the author places black feathers everywhere, now i didn't think much of it then but now after reading the latest release chapter (ch.14), HMMMMMM~~~~~~, connect the dots.

 

Chekhov's gun lock and loaded. If the black feather had served no purpose then the author wouldn't have placed it in. We should be on the lookout for future chapters with black feathers, maybe hints/clues.

 

So yeh, what do you guys think, whats your opinion on it guys.

 

Ps: im not quite sure if i used the chekhov reference correctly, but i wanted to use it cuz HYPE.

Edited by asgard22, 19 March 2015 - 09:47 AM.

[lygarx]

as far as I know, he isn't. Though it is hard to ignore. I read ahead and none of it so far. There is only like 5 volumes right now web novel wise. some are digest versions, since there is a light novel out. But the web novel is still updated. The author did not place it, the artist did. I believe it is to symbolize the fact that he came from another time at the very least they aren't feathers that come from him.

[truepurple]

I think that's a dumb rule to write a story by. And the author could easily not go by that either.

I see no evidence of the hero being the demon king, nor connection between this theory and feathers.

[Unlisted]

I'm pretty sure that the feathers are symbolic.  Crows and their feathers are usually associated with death.

[sigur]

I think that's a dumb rule to write a story by. And the author could easily not go by that either.

 

Sure man, Chekhov was only an amateur wannabe, after all...

 

/s

[daveisdavis]

Sure man, Chekhov was only an amateur wannabe, after all...

 

/s

It could just be a red herring too...

[cookieness]

let's consider the fact yea? first, if were gonna base it on the situation after kail traveled back in time, the fact that after he went back he occupied the body of his younger self, then the fact that he fought the demon lord meant that it's impossible that theyre one and the same.

 

about the feathers, aside from the probability that it was just a random detail, if were gonna base it off the situation of the demon lord, the feathers scattered off him when he was dying. it's more probable that the feathers came off the king so it's more possible that the DL is related to him. 

 

my guess? the princess. why? she's wise, ambitious, manipulative, secretive, she has the makings of a great leader. she's alot smarter than her father and brother. i highly doubt she actually died in kail's previous life. if she didnt die, where did she go? what was she doing while the demons were attacking? if were gonna argue about the fact that she's young, well, if she actually is a demon, she can prolly just change her appearance. another thing, the current chapter, deaths around the embassy while kail's party arrived there after a request from the princess. from a demon assassin no less. well ofcourse there are lots of assumptions in this theory. my point is, she's even more probable as the maou compared to kail. if the feathers are a physical trait and they were from the king, then it's probably a hereditary trait too. 

[darkauras]

Though the idea of Chekhov's gun was a solid one, I believe in this situation it isn't quite applicable. The feather seem mostly symbolic and will likely continue to be used in such a manner throughout the story.

 

The big thing to keep in mind with a trope like Chekhov's gun is that it is intended for writing, not for art. Of course, the basic principal applies to all forms of media, but there are enough differences between a book and a manga to throw it off a bit. In writing, every single word that is written is intended and chosen to deliver a message. In a manga, the artist has a bit more leeway to throw things into the background, and because we aren't perceiving things necessarily through the viewpoint of the main character, it is possible to include details he wouldn't have noticed. In the manga, the king fell and there were feathers and because Kail didn't remark on them we can assume he didn't notice them. In a written work it would be something like "Kail pushed against the king, and the man toppled forward, bending over the railing. Another push and the shocked man was tumbling through the air towards the ground below. Kail watched his shocked face and as the king crashed upon the hard earth below, Kail noticed a strange black feather resting on the king's body." See how since we are looking at it from Kail's perspective, in order for us to see the feathers he does to? (this is assuming the book is written in limited third person view, which most books are) In the manga Kail never notices which leads me to believe it is nothing buy a symbol added by the mangaka.

 

Now, if at some point Kail did notice the feathers and even interacted with them, like picking them up or wondering where they came from, we'd moving into foreshadowing.

[The Warrior Gentleman]

You have a good idea in looking for extra details, but there's something even more important.  The Demon Lord was worried about the Dragon Piece is a key detail, given what we know about the piece.  The Piece of Dragon heart was used along with the Forbidden Rite (killing many humans in the process) in order to turn back time.  My question is: "Why would the conqueror of the continent (The Demon Lord) want to turn back time?"

My fear is that it is to Stop Kail from killing the demons in a preemptive strike.  My fear is that Kail is becoming a monster that will cause an unending cycle of genocide and time travel.

If we're claiming that all the details are relevant, we know Kail has a grudge against the demons but I fear the narrator may be feeding us prejudice against the demons.  We know they're acting monstrously, but we don't know why.

[truepurple]

Sure man, Chekhov was only an amateur wannabe, after all...

 

Doesn't matter whether skilled or amateur, it doesn't change the fact that such a plot rule is unlikely to add anything to a story, but can detract from it making plot development obvious. It's a failure of a author if zhe can't fill out the world with detail without making every single detail relevant to the plot. A story is not just it's plot.

 

Also, different strokes for different folks. Just because some method works for one author, doesn't mean everyone is obligated to follow suit.

Edited by truepurple, 13 November 2015 - 02:54 PM.

[pothb]

I agree with truepurple. Being bound by rules can make it less creative.

 

That said, Chekhov's Gun isn't a bad rule. Though, I don't know how literal the idea is when he mentions the next chapter and stuff... but things should be used in one way or another. Because if it isn't, it is just fluff.

[truepurple]

Everything makes up a story, including atmosphere.  Only plot is boring shit, it's only a skeleton of a story with no meat.