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Do people actually enjoy this one? - Enlighten me please


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The rating and high follower rate enticed me, the description also sounded quite interesting.

 

But then what I actually got when I read it:

 

- Obnoxious **** MC, a mix between beta, annoying, and childish (about his hate for the girl).

- Mary Sue little sister (for what the chapters I´ve read)

- Boring side characters.

- Average to iffy art.

 

Is it the girl? Is the girl right? The blonde "yandere"(she´s not yandere) girl right? For that girl you´re willing to rate this manga like the best there is?

 

Did I miss something, enlighten me please.


Edited by FakeHero, 25 February 2015 - 11:43 AM.


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Well, the high follow numbers (and no doubt the high rating, I mean geez, there's been a paltry two chapters released in English so far) can without a doubt be largely attributed to the author's previous track record of shounen rom-com titles. That alone hugely skews the numbers, and frankly totally defeats being able to judge this work by them.

 

I personally plan to read the author's Tokyo Innocent when/if it's ever completely scanlated...........but this one, wow, it looks like absolute drivel.


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The rating and high follower rate enticed me, the description also sounded quite interesting.

 

But then what I actually got when I read it:

 

- Obnoxious **** MC, a mix between beta, annoying, and childish (about his hate for the girl).

- Mary Sue little sister (for what the chapters I´ve read)

- Boring side characters.

- Average to iffy art.

 

Is it the girl? Is the girl right? The blonde "yandere"(she´s not yandere) girl right? For that girl you´re willing to rate this manga like the best there is?

 

Did I miss something, enlighten me please.

 

Weirdly I agree with your description of the MC, though I actually liked the guy i was really surprised when I found out he wasnt a lolicon siscon f**k,
wow... just now I realized, I liked this series because I was expectiong something much worse huh... I mean at least its is kinda "original"... then again maybe not...
 



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I don't know what people keep going on about "original" this and "derivative" that.  All tales can be suitably analysed into a set of tropes, anyway.

 

The series is interesting because the MC has so many defects: he is troubled by the past enough that he ends up spoiling his little sister rotten.  There is a girl (and apparently a guy, too) stalking him.  His aunt looks like a grown-up version of the little sister, and in fact, I think Nao will find out sometime that his aunt liked his father, and is probably starting to project his father into him.  All in all, it's a great train wreck waiting to happen, and people love to read about train wrecks: it's called tragedy.



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I personally plan to read the author's Tokyo Innocent when/if it's ever completely scanlated...........but this one, wow, it looks like absolute drivel.

 

i'm disappointed, svines. i thought you'd be less willing to play strawman to someone who reads as deeply into shounen rom-com as he would the bible.



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i'm disappointed, svines. i thought you'd be less willing to play strawman to someone who reads as deeply into shounen rom-com as he would the bible.

 

Mmmmm..........well, I don't know that I'm so much playing strawman, nor was I/am I trying to egg anyone on or what have you, over this title (or any other), I was simply stating my opinion on

 

1) why the OP felt like they were "missing something" when their experience didn't jibe with the large amount of follows and high rating on this title (my opinion being that many titles have skewed numbers regarding both those criteria due to readers committing early on newer titles based on any number of arbitrary elements, which in this case was an established author and their other works). Reading something based solely on such numbers is a fools errand. I'm not saying this title won't go on to have a wildly successful scanlation.......but yeah, I think those numbers right now are quite skewed and don't necessarily reflect even the followers true feelings about this work. 

 

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2) that after reviewing both this work and the author's other works (including all the available summaries/synopsis, reader comments and reviews, publishing and scanlation status on this and the other four being reported on MU)  well, this one just doesn't look as good to me as, well, a couple of the author's previous works........so, yeah, my opinion is that a lot of people have rated this one based not on this work's merits, but on their previous reading experiences with this author.

 

But what do I know? I sure as hell wish any of my releases had 2,900 follows.......well, some do I guess, but none of the ones I'm working on now or ones I want to go into detail about here    :D


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interesting, i didn't think tokyo innocent was a popular enough series to skew audiences' opinions on this manga, which, as you said, only has two chapters out. but that's an opinion i can respect, and i agree that large numbers can cause readers' views to snowball.

 

as for this:

 

- Obnoxious **** MC, a mix between beta, annoying, and childish (about his hate for the girl).

- Mary Sue little sister (for what the chapters I´ve read)

- Boring side characters.

- Average to iffy art.

 

1. if you can't handle an MC who has weaknesses, don't read the series.

2. if you can't handle a sister who only has at most two family members she can rely on (one of whom is always working and is always scowling around her) and is only used to her brother's unconditional love, don't read the series.

3. if you can't handle slow character development (we're 3 chapters in), don't read the series.

4. if you can't handle art from any (admittedly) typical comedy rom-com manga, don't read the series.



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... Not sure if trolling.

 

The rating and high follower rate enticed me, the description also sounded quite interesting.

 

But then what I actually got when I read it:

 

- Obnoxious **** MC, a mix between beta, annoying, and childish (about his hate for the girl).

- Mary Sue little sister (for what the chapters I´ve read)

- Boring side characters.

- Average to iffy art.

 

Is it the girl? Is the girl right? The blonde "yandere"(she´s not yandere) girl right? For that girl you´re willing to rate this manga like the best there is?

 

Did I miss something, enlighten me please.

 

1. I'm not even remotely clear on what your problem with the MC is. That he's apparently helpful and thoughtful? That he's willing to sacrifice a lot to keep his sister, his last remaining family member and someone he loves happy? That he holds a completely understandable grudge regarding a girl ruining his family's livelihood, who he thought was his friend but betrayed him (honestly, that you think this is 'childish' is really what made me wonder if I'm being trolled, because it's hard to believe people can genuinely be that ignorant)? Did I mention she also stalks him and persists in pursuing him when he's made his feelings regarding her clear?

 

Did you want a douchebag MC who ignores everyone else in order to further his own selfish desires? Or a weird, saint-like MC who you can do anything to and he won't dislike you?

 

2. 'Mary Sue little sister'. You know, given you clearly have no idea what Mary Sue even means in the first place, please try not to use the word and cheapen it, 'mkay? You're only showing your ignorance, after all.

 

3. 'Boring side characters'. We've had three chapters, and for those chapters the story's been setting up the situation between the MC, his sister, and the blonde girl. We've barely gotten to know the side characters, and even then his aunt is rather different (if something of a bitch).

 

4. 'Average and iffy' art? Man, that's the dumbest complaint I've heard yet. Unless any kind of art below what we see in the likes of Otoyomegatari is somehow 'iffy', you've pretty much got no ground to stand on. And frankly, if that's your belief, than you probably should stop reading any kind of visual media, because the art's not really going to be much better. And trying to spin 'average' art as a bad thing, when the art we see in these kinds of manga is already pretty high on average? Ha.

 

The girl's 'yandere' nature doesn't even come into the picture. The story's set up somewhat interestingly, with the past between the MC and the blonde hinted at to be more than we know, the relationship between the glasses guy and Ishihara is also hinted at to be something more than simple classmates, the sister is clearly involved in what happened in the past, etc. Beyond the mysteries, the MC is shown to be a guy who is determined to make his one remaining family member happy, and hinted to be fairly dedicated and caring. There's also more to the blonde girl than meets the eye - she seems to be desperate to be a part of the MC's life, possibly out of guilt for what she did, possibly out of another reason that hasn't been disclosed yet, which is likely part of the mystery surrounding the destruction of their field. And she also doesn't seem to be willing to just go away despite the MC wanting her to do so, hinting at a deep-seated psychological hangup.

 

This post probably won't really affect you all that much (if you aren't trolling, that is), but I'd hope that at least others can see past your obvious bullshit. This isn't THE BEST MANGA EVUR, but it's a fair enough read right now, and is likely to become interesting to people interested in such a genre later.


Edited by Dimensionist, 03 March 2015 - 04:21 PM.


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You have no idea what a Mary Sue actually is do you?


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I don't know what people keep going on about "original" this and "derivative" that.  All tales can be suitably analysed into a set of tropes, anyway.

 

The series is interesting because the MC has so many defects: he is troubled by the past enough that he ends up spoiling his little sister rotten.  There is a girl (and apparently a guy, too) stalking him.  His aunt looks like a grown-up version of the little sister, and in fact, I think Nao will find out sometime that his aunt liked his father, and is probably starting to project his father into him.  All in all, it's a great train wreck waiting to happen, and people love to read about train wrecks: it's called tragedy.

If you think about it no story is really original most storys can be dissected into the Heros Journey but, some are just SO, SO very simillar... (exemple: Hundred and Infinite Stratos), most shounen nowadays involve schools and for some reason kids fighting to save the world... I think I like this series because it isnt so obvious or simple (although it certainly isnt complicated)... I guesss this manga is simply "simple story well done" to me at least.



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"I don't get it."

Absolutely nothing wrong with this.

 

"I don't understand why people would like this, because to me it seems like reasons."

Ditto.

 

"I hate it because reasons, and you must like it because (intentionally stupid-sounding straw man)."

...eh?  :huh: I don't recall pissing in your coffee this morning...


Edited by arimareiji, 27 May 2015 - 04:48 PM.


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The over-dramatic dark eyes. Also, the similarly over-dramatic blackened/negative dialogue boxes. Quite entertaining.

 

I personally don't bother with ratings, though.

 

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"I don't get it."

Absolutely nothing wrong with this.

 

"I don't understand why people would like this, because to me it seems like reasons."

Ditto.

 

"I hate it because reasons, and you must like it because (intentionally stupid-sounding straw man)."

...eh?  :huh: I don't recall pissing in your coffee this morning...

The reaction is understandable considering the provocative OP. I think people underestimate tone - two people relaying the same message can come across very differently depending on how that message is conveyed. If the OP's criticism was more polite, more well founded and more well explained, I guarantee there wouldn't be the hostile replies you've seen here. He knew what he was doing and I'm sure he got the reaction he was expecting (perhaps even hoping for).



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The reaction is understandable considering the provocative OP. I think people underestimate tone - two people relaying the same message can come across very differently depending on how that message is conveyed. If the OP's criticism was more polite, more well founded and more well explained, I guarantee there wouldn't be the hostile replies you've seen here. He knew what he was doing and I'm sure he got the reaction he was expecting (perhaps even hoping for).

 

Looking back across the thread... I don't doubt in the least that you're right. Or as someone else put it,

 

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