Potato Spud
Alright so I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up, but I think the current "No Chapter" tag isn't very definitive for the purpose it was created for.
At first I thought it meant simply none ave been posted and don't denote that a complaint has been launched with it's content. The name I suggested above I doubt does it justice and needs to be worked on. but I'm wondering if It's just me or other people share this issue and have a suggestion for a better titled Tag.
Discord King
The definition of the "no-chapter" tag than simply that: there are no chapters on Batoto.
The meaning behind why there are no chapters does not matter.
My words are my own, and do not represent Batoto in any way, shape, or form unless otherwise stated in the post itself ^.^
Potato Spud
The definition of the "no-chapter" tag than simply that: there are no chapters on Batoto.
The meaning behind why there are no chapters does not matter.
Well that does cause a problem when it doesn't differ between manga that just haven't been scanlated yet and those that can't be uplodaded, as someone could assume a series is one of the former and upload a chapter that he shouldn't.
Sweet Potato
Well that does cause a problem when it doesn't differ between manga that just haven't been scanlated yet and those that can't be uplodaded, as someone could assume a series is one of the former and upload a chapter that he shouldn't.
That just really doesn't make sense though. You're assuming (in that scenario) that whoever (scan group/contributor) wouldn't just go to the page in question and see what the deal was....i.e just no chapters or had content actually removed/been banned for whatever reason. The page itself normally has notations regarding any problems, and even if it doesn't it's not really that difficult to figure out if there is a problem with adding content.
The main reason for "tags" is compiling lists.........and as Daktyl says, the "no chapters" tag accomplishes what should be seen as the biggest benefit to both the site and the readers, that being the exclusion of titles that don't have content from compiled search results. As they stated, the why it doesn't have content really makes no difference (to someone looking for something to read).
After that....well, it's really just idle curiosity, isn't it? What real benefit does either the site or the readers get from adding specific tags like this one suggests? What real purpose would it serve to either the site or the readers who are just looking for something to read and want to avoid wasting any time getting titles that don't have content in their search results?
I'm not trying to shout down suggestions.....what the OP suggests doesn't exist and there's not a thing wrong with bringing it up. I'm just weighing in that, on this particular suggestion, I don't think there's a real benefit to anyone from it. Just take a look at Manga/Baka Updates....trying to make a tag for every little thing is how you end up with 3,000+ tags and an unbelievable glut of useless information.
Potato Spud
I see your point, and agree adding tags could become a bad habit by some. As I see it though a benefit to having a blocked release tag would help prevent comments and people from uploading series they shouldn't, possibly reducing the load on moderators...?
Also it gives a quick system to search for some series that aren't on Batoto, and alerts people to search elsewhere and not wait and then become confused.
Potato Spud
The definition of the "no-chapter" tag than simply that: there are no chapters on Batoto.
The meaning behind why there are no chapters does not matter.
It does matter. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Discord King
It does matter. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.
1. I was talking about the current situation/definition, not in general.
2. 99% of the time, if a series is known to not allowed to be uploaded for any reason, there will be a message in the comic description. There will be cases of new series that the comic mods don't know about until somebody uploads a chapter, in which case they will make the judgement based on the first chapters uploaded.
My words are my own, and do not represent Batoto in any way, shape, or form unless otherwise stated in the post itself ^.^
Sweet Potato
False statement, I frequently wonder about why no chapters.
With no explanation on that comics page.
It's actually asked (by the staff) that members report those kinds of things...
https://vatoto.com/forums/topic/18929-comic-with-no-chapters-in-any-language-post-here/
So there you go.
There's just no reason for Batoto to worry about providing this particular tag. There's no real benefit or anything meaningful to the site's main purpose (providing reading content) that providing a "banned" tag would achieve. This is a reader site first and foremost.........the "no chapters" tag was created as an exclusionary tag.....one to keep those titles out of the readers' search results.
Breaking down the "no chapters" tag into a multitude of individual tags ("banned" only being one in a number that could be brought up) makes no sense to the readers on this site......other than the "idle curiosity" I mentioned earlier.
Scan groups and contributors alike are just going to look up the title in question, there's no actual need to be able to compile a list of "banned".
Edited by svines85, 08 January 2015 - 09:48 PM.
The Head Maid
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The "no chapter" tag is Experimental tag. Meaning it was added because many suggested the tag, not wanting
to have series that have no chapters releases to be included in their search. This tag isnt a genre. Because
there is many reasons behind why series have no chapters at all , we call it as it is until we have something more fitting.
We do our best to put notice up if there is something missing/cant be uploaded.
If any member violates any tag or uploads chap which shouldnt, you may report it.
Every series have a Report problem with chap/comic button (next to the Add chapter)
Block release tag wont help with most series as every series have reason why it doesnt have any chapter..
or why any chaps are missing.
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Fingerling Potato
It's actually asked (by the staff) that members report those kinds of things...
https://vatoto.com/forums/topic/18929-comic-with-no-chapters-in-any-language-post-here/
So there you go.
There's just no reason for Batoto to worry about providing this particular tag. There's no real benefit or anything meaningful to the site's main purpose (providing reading content) that providing a "banned" tag would achieve. This is a reader site first and foremost.........the "no chapters" tag was created as an exclusionary tag.....one to keep those titles out of the readers' search results.
Breaking down the "no chapters" tag into a multitude of individual tags ("banned" only being one in a number that could be brought up) makes no sense to the readers on this site......other than the "idle curiosity" I mentioned earlier.
Scan groups and contributors alike are just going to look up the title in question, there's no actual need to be able to compile a list of "banned".
Sweet Potato
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Well, I think that mostly makes sense from only from your point of view........not from the point of view of those who run the site.
Besides, you're tilting at windmills here, this thread is a year old and what they were asking for hasn't happened, right?
Discord King
I partially agree with you... However if we had more "tags" you might easily see scanlators (which this site tries to support, it was a founding ideal if I'm not mistaken) more able to find projects easily that need working on, rather than just works without a chapter...
For example a "banned" or "do not upload" tag would let me as a scanlator who is looking for a project, which readers might enjoy, and hunger for, give the site MORE CONTENT for the precious readers you keep saying the site is primarily directed at.
Kinda necro'd the thread lol
This would fall under the idea of "adding unnecessary information to Batoto". Batoto was founded as a reading site, with goals to help scanlators. While the google ads thing didn't work out, scanlators can still create group forums here and I'm sure Grumpy is still thinking of ways to improve the status quo. HOWEVER, Batoto is still just a reading site with forums attached. Grumpy has stated before that he has no intention of turning batoto into a information site on top of reader when we have perfectly good sites that do that right now (e.g. Mangaupdates).
The "No Chapters" tag works prefectly fine in this regard, and if you need more information the staff has (usually) put a notice in the description. We already have a ton of tags as it is, and adding more that have nothing to do with the content of the manga I don't personally agree with.
My words are my own, and do not represent Batoto in any way, shape, or form unless otherwise stated in the post itself ^.^
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