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[oatesi]

if he can instantly learn skills from books how come he can't do the same with maths books and science books

 

[Elyandarin]

Because apparently they don't contain anything his ability recognizes as a technique. Same with that book on western-style magic he bought earlier. 

[Panthertwat]

Because apparently they don't contain anything his ability recognizes as a technique. Same with that book on western-style magic he bought earlier. 

Example:

How to cast Fireball: Skill Book

Origins of Fire Magic: History book with fire magic concepts - Not a skill book

 

Jee-Han said he could feel something from the box of skill books for all the chunbun technique skill books that noona brought out.

This could mean that skill books emit an aura that he can pick up on.

 

Still, I would want to check. Because his ability is patterened after RPGs, maybe some non-magical skills could still be learned.

I would go to the local book store/library and run my hands accross the books.

Maybe a how to book on lockpicking would turn into a skill.

[MagicWafflez]

Example:

How to cast Fireball: Skill Book

Origins of Fire Magic: History book with fire magic concepts - Not a skill book

 

Jee-Han said he could feel something from the box of skill books for all the chunbun technique skill books that noona brought out.

This could mean that skill books emit an aura that he can pick up on.

 

Still, I would want to check. Because his ability is patterened after RPGs, maybe some non-magical skills could still be learned.

I would go to the local book store/library and run my hands accross the books.

Maybe a how to book on lockpicking would turn into a skill.

 

I forgot about that D: he did feel an aura didn't he?

 

I bet he could probably learn math if he got a skill that had a math background or required math knowledge...

When he learned summoning, it gave him lots a knowledge/theory related to summoning so that he could use the skill.

 

So going off of that, if he learned a skill like [build airplane] he would have to understand the physics well enough to build it properly. the book could give him the understanding of an engineer on the subject; which would have the side effect of teaching him math.

[Panthertwat]

I forgot about that D: he did feel an aura didn't he?

 

I bet he could probably learn math if he got a skill that had a math background or required math knowledge...

When he learned summoning, it gave him lots a knowledge/theory related to summoning so that he could use the skill.

 

So going off of that, if he learned a skill like [build airplane] he would have to understand the physics well enough to build it properly. the book could give him the understanding of an engineer on the subject; which would have the side effect of teaching him math.

I hadn't thought of that, what an interesting thought.

 

So he learned how to draw a circle and star pattern for summoning.

Is he now able to draw a cirlce well for anything...including art?

Alchemy uses lots of math, so if he learns alchemy will his math skill increase?

 

Well lets hope the Author stays away from adding more math into the manhwa.

[MagicWafflez]

I hadn't thought of that, what an interesting thought.

 

So he learned how to draw a circle and star pattern for summoning.

Is he now able to draw a cirlce well for anything...including art?

Alchemy uses lots of math, so if he learns alchemy will his math skill increase?

 

Well lets hope the Author stays away from adding more math into the manhwa.

It would be hilarious if he later aces college chemistry (going to med school maybe?) because he learned it from the alchemy skill

 

I wonder how alchemy will work...

doesn't it sound a lot like his summon ability? I mean create a golem and surround it with the elements, it's like backwards summoning... call the element and create it's body... 

 

To be honest, I think that if he actually tried to learn math he probably could... he did say something like "now... if I just study math..." like he didn't even try it. 

 

 

off topic: 

does anyone know, if it's possible to learn more than 1 breathing technique? I had thought because of the english Translation that you could learn only 2...

but since he is using the healing technique with mana, doesn't that mean he only has one breathing technique and isn't tied to kwon's family's techniques at all?

if so, then he could have learned 2 then he could have when gramps tested him...

 

so is it impossible for him to learn all of her family's techniques? not that it matters now that he is officially trying to be a mage...

[Panthertwat]

It would be hilarious if he later aces college chemistry (going to med school maybe?) because he learned it from the alchemy skill

 

I wonder how alchemy will work...

doesn't it sound a lot like his summon ability? I mean create a golem and surround it with the elements, it's like backwards summoning... call the element and create it's body... 

 

To be honest, I think that if he actually tried to learn math he probably could... he did say something like "now... if I just study math..." like he didn't even try it. 

 

 

off topic: 

does anyone know, if it's possible to learn more than 1 breathing technique? I

 

Would be nice if Alchemy requires Wisdom. Like healing and summoning should.

 

Yah, I think the author was making fun of himself... Now If I only study math....

 

The Breathing/Spirit technique confuses me too. Not 100% sure what the right answer is. Author Mistake?

This question is what initial brought me to the forums to look for an answer.

 

He does not know the Yunhon Spirit/Breathing technique, Only the Soul Recovery. His Ability/Giai aided him in learning and using this technique, because you are not supposed to be able to use the Soul Recovery without knowing the Yunhon Spirit/Breathing Tech first.

 

First he learned the Chunbun spirit technique. That tech was later called  Chunbun breathing technique. (Name Change?)

I believe that these 2 words (Spirit / Breathing) are interchangable because it is related to inner Ki. He can not learn more than one Inner Ki. He can probably learn different outer Ki Techniques though =D.

 

He was able to learn the chunbun spirit technique, but could not learn the generic Self-Enhancement Breathing tech.

The System message warned him that he should not learn the Generic Self-Enhancement Breathing tech because he already knows the chunbun spirit tech. It warned him of the crossing of 2 flows. This doesn't seem right unless Spirit and Breathing are the same thing.

 

Here is the Problem:

Jee-Han already knew Western Mana. Maybe western mana is different enough to not be considered an Inner Ki, therefore not effecting the crossing of 2 flows. But, Sun-Il did say that Ki is called mana in the west and chakra in east asia.

It seems that he already does have the crossing of 2 flows... then he is unique and can learn at least 2 due to gamer ability:

 

I think that the english translation was a bit off. If you mix the words around it makes more sense:

The translation says: If you learn more than 2 something bad happens.

If you mix it your get: If you learn 2 or more something bad happens.

 

It would have made perfect sense if the existing chunbun breathing technique was never called a spirit technique.

And the Generic Skill he could not learn was called a spirit technique, and the system message warned him that he could not learn it due to the fact he already knew western mana.

That way he could learn any breathing technique, but could not learn any spirit technique because he already knew mana.

 

Almost like it was author mistake...

[Inuzuka]

As far as I can tell, the flows mentioned in 'crossing of two flows' is a reference to energy within the body, not the techniques used to store that energy within the body. So Jee Han has Mana + Inner Ki, learning more than those 2 would then be harmful.

 

The reason he can use the Soul Recovery despite not having 'Soul Burn' energy is because his gamer ability converted it into a skill that is powered by Mana instead. 

And he was warned against learning the Generic Self-Enhancement book because it would give him a 3rd possibly harmful energy.

Edited by Inuzuka, 23 July 2014 - 04:13 PM.

[Panthertwat]

As far as I can tell, the flows mentioned in 'crossing of two flows' is a reference to energy within the body, not the techniques used to store that energy within the body. So Jee Han has Mana + Inner Ki, learning more than those 2 would then be harmful.

 

And he was warned against learning the Generic Self-Enhancement book because it would give him a 3rd possibly harmful energy.

The warning of crossing 2 flows is exactly that. Do not cross 2 flows. In all stories it is like that: Think Kenichi the mightiest disciple and the mixing of Dou and Sei Ki.

 

Jee-Han should have had a pop-up warning him of the mixing of 2 flows when he learned the 2nd inner ki technique Chunbun Spirit Tec.

 

Chunbun Spirit Tech Description: A basic inner Ki technique developed by the Chunbunmoon.  A technique that purifies Ki, the world's basic energy, and stores it inside the ki center, allowing the user to freely use that power.

 

His Mana does the same thing: He was abile to manipulate it and store it. He created energy bolt and used it before he learned the Chunbun Spirit Tech (thats Manipulation).  He also had an Mana Pool value (MP Thats storage).

 

Chunbun Moon Gramps felt his hand and felt a power there already.

Sun-Il said that mana, Chakras and Ki are all the same thing.

 

Later on, the description changed the name of the Chunbun Spirit tech to the breathing tech.

Why is that?

 

If the Chunbun Breathing Technique was not Inner movement of Ki, but was only a way to purify Ki, and store it I could understant him learning multiple breathing skills that overlap. And that the Chunbun Spirit technique was the Inner Movement of Ki which he could not learn...due to his Mana...

 

 

Also, the Chunbun Spirit Techinique allows for the use of Ki Strike when Active.

Shouldn't Ki Strike be a seperate Skill? I wonder if Jee-Han needs a specific skill book to learn this? Or since he has second hand knowledge of it from the spirit technique, if he tries to use it, will he learn it as a new skill?

Edited by Panthertwat, 23 July 2014 - 06:15 PM.

[Inuzuka]

The warning of crossing 2 flows is exactly that. Do not cross 2 flows. In all stories it is like that: Think Kenichi the mightiest disciple and the mixing of Dou and Sei Ki.

Dou and Sei Ki were the only two types of Ki, and there was nothing stopping martial artists to learn to use both, as long as they don't use them at the same time.

 

 

Also, we don't know if there are different reactions between the various energy types in The Gamer, some energies might be stable together while others could unstable and dangerous, and others might even enhance one another.

 

'Crossing' the 2 flows might simply mean using 2 different incompatible energies rather than just any 2 energies.

[Panthertwat]

Dou and Sei Ki were the only two types of Ki, and there was nothing stopping martial artists to learn to use both, as long as they don't use them at the same time.

 

Also, we don't know if there are different reactions between the various energy types in The Gamer, some energies might be stable together while others could unstable and dangerous, and others might even enhance one another.

 

'Crossing' the 2 flows might simply mean using 2 different incompatible energies rather than just any 2 energies.

I hope you are right.

That would mean Jee-Han can learn multiple Inner-Ki techniques if he searches for others that are compatable.

 

Or you could go with he is able to learn 2 but no more, and the crossing of the 2 flows, the crossing is the 3rd flow.

 

I still think it was author error, and that is why he changed the techniques name, but I hope you are right.

Unless the name change was translator error, but breathing and spirit are different words in Korean so...

Edited by Panthertwat, 23 July 2014 - 09:35 PM.

[JackApostrophe]

Remember that as a Shinin Jee-Han's power is supported by Gaia, which allows him to break some of the rules that apply to everyone else. Emphasis on some. That's one of the problems for us discussing the series - there's one set of rules for Jee-Han and one for everyone else, but we don't actually know either set. We know that he's subject to the "Crossing of Two Flows" which happens if you try to use two different types of ki, but at the same time he can learn techniques that normally require a particular type of ki.

[oatesi]

i know you are all talking about ki related skills right now and i originally asked about maths and science but what about cooking books, i only mention cooking books because his mum is the legendary housewife so there must be some cooking skills like potion making or poison making which could also be mixing chemicals in science to make them

[Panthertwat]

i know you are all talking about ki related skills right now and i originally asked about maths and science but what about cooking books, i only mention cooking books because his mum is the legendary housewife so there must be some cooking skills like potion making or poison making which could also be mixing chemicals in science to make them

Haha,

 

Sorry about going off topic sooo far. It was interesting.

 

I haven't seen this anywhere,

But what about Crafting Blueprints loot drops.

 

I want so see him rank his crafting to 5 in school which triggers the Blueprint drop for Ogre Panties.

[oatesi]

the main reason i mention cooking and science is he could learn to create mana or hp recovery potions

[Calmandweak]

the main reason i mention cooking and science is he could learn to create mana or hp recovery potions

 why not special food, like the vision inducing brownie, the all powerfull lose weight caesar salad, the Milshake of mighty muscle gain (+5 St for 3 hours), the canelloni of DOOM etc....

 

Why a boring potion? why not a medical recovery kimchi?

 

 

 

 

 

for crafting, i don't know about blueprint but an A to Z build your own soap from ash should work.....maybe

Edited by Calmandweak, 25 July 2014 - 08:52 PM.

[oatesi]

he made a slime out of clay and got a blue print i think

[junyortrakr]

I hope he gets a golem blueprint after fighting a golem boss this week. Not, mind you, that I think that the mage that created the golems made a boss, but one should appear because of Jee-han's gamer ability after he kills enough regular ones. If one does appear, it might even get him an audience with the caster if the caster wants to be able to make the boss himself.

[Inuzuka]

I hope he gets a golem blueprint after fighting a golem boss this week. Not, mind you, that I think that the mage that created the golems made a boss, but one should appear because of Jee-han's gamer ability after he kills enough regular ones. If one does appear, it might even get him an audience with the caster if the caster wants to be able to make the boss himself.

I didn't think of that, and now I seriously hope it happens. Finding out his Gamer ability not only modifies the Illusion Barrier he's in but also modifies any summoned or created mob's within combined with his ability to gain loot from beaten mobs could be very interesting.

 

At the very least, I'd hope the boss would drop a skillbook or a recipe so Jee Han can learn to make them.

[farq4]

I forgot about that D: he did feel an aura didn't he?

 

I bet he could probably learn math if he got a skill that had a math background or required math knowledge...

When he learned summoning, it gave him lots a knowledge/theory related to summoning so that he could use the skill.

 

So going off of that, if he learned a skill like [build airplane] he would have to understand the physics well enough to build it properly. the book could give him the understanding of an engineer on the subject; which would have the side effect of teaching him math.

I feel that he could learn Math in magic something about linear or logarithmic power->damage ratio and ways to multiply output with minimal mana input. Magic is still FILLED with math. i'm sure abbys would have a book called "efficient mana usage for dummies " with skill like "mana productivity"

Also i just wondered if he would start now repating "more and compress" for all his mana .... would it create mana pill or massive mana granade (like napalm bomb) he created all his skills with LOW proficiency and int what would happen if he start thinking skills now ?....

i thought of :

mana mist (just spread his mana around use it as detector(his skills said he can detect smallest mana movment) i just asume enemy inside his mana would make some waves like ripples on water) OR in some way as trap ... get enemy inside mana field and compress the field with enemy inside

earth magic + high energy mana charge == LANDMINE usefull for hard fights to "set up the stage ^^ for more fun"

next would be gathering resources .... split the earth... make pilar from botom of splited earth apear .... collect materials it brought to the surface

also he learned cratfing after making slime .... it was forgoten long ago BUT with it usuallly comes decompose item skill..

i would make his 1k mana spining energy bolt cover it with earth shell COMPRESS it to the limits and shoot it and detonate inside enemy .... for ref see bunkerbuster missile