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Stress test for Tatsuya- Is he a Mary Sue?

Mary Sue Tatsuya Shiba Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei

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Poll: Tatsuya as Mary Sue (88 member(s) have cast votes)

Is Tatsuya (main character) a typical Mary Sue?

  1. Yes (50 votes [56.82%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 56.82%

  2. No (38 votes [43.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 43.18%

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I really was suprised to see that manga Mahouka didn't ended but it even sprout multiple sequels. I admit I was shocked. Does people like so (in my opinion) overpowered, uninteresting characters and ridiculous stories? But before some fans will start flaming me i will ask to do this http://www.unc.edu/~jemarti/marysuetest/ simple test for Tatsuya, and post the score they get.

 

For me Tatsuya scored 194 points which makes him a total Mary Sue. (I answered to some question with my knowledge of events from light novel.) (Section1: 0 p; Section2: 13 p; Section3: 30 p; Section4: 18 p; Section5: 47 p; Section6: 87 p; Section7: -1 p)

 

PS(This thread was not created to ridiculous people who read Mahouka. No, you read what you want. I just wonder if people know that the main character is Mary Sue. That's all)



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46 points. There are many "always" and "ever" in the questions. 



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Well i specially created account to post in this thread. I read all of Mahouka in baka tsuki, at the begining liked it very much but laqter meh, too much win and all Mary sue. he should be just good at fighting or great genius and powerfull sister in combat. loled hard when they mention that he moved since world like 10 years forward it was so stupid anyone who have something with since knows how much work you must put to move easy project forward, my brothers friend who is genius made in one time to some car factory some small part of mechanism and they say he was genius and got money award for that. but it was few months of work

 

btw my score was 147 for tatsuya, he is overpowered like shit and he is doig things for which someone else would go to jail lol and everyother character is so dumb ofcourse not friends of mc



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87. Yeah, he's a mary sue.



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Well for me, I don't think of Tatsuya as "typical" Mary Sue. Lots of people look at him at think that he was cool, awesome, OP, etc. I agree, but the novels ponder over others' opinions about whether trading almost all of your strong emotions for that is worth it. And from his POV, I don't think he prefer his modification either.

 

But that maybe because I don't read Mahouka solely for the fighting scenes. OP is OP. But reading him lost a fight is still fun tho.



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Definitely not a "typical" one, an irregular? Quite possibly. I really have to wonder if it's the same like 2-3 people who're calling him a Mary Sue on every site though, or are influenced by those earlier people, because honestly? There are many, many, many, many characters from different series who are a hundred times more a Mary Sue. Case in point: pretty much the main character of every single Shounen series ever, especially the fighting ones. And yet, this is the first time I've ever seen a character from a series (and not a fanfiction) get called a Mary Sue lol

 

Edit: Did the stress test, Section 4 is really strange though.

44:Does your character have a special magical or supernatural attack?

47.Does your character have magical ability not already mentioned?

48.Does your character have a superpower not already mentioned?

Those three honestly sound like the exact same question lol. I clicked yes twice for the first one, and left the other two blank, so could possible add +4 to Section 4.

 

S1: 0 Points.

S2: 8 Points.

S3: 14 Points (I really wanna know how the opener got 30 here).

S4: 6 Points (Likewise here for getting 18).

S5: 15 Points (Uhhh.....47?)

S6: 21 Points (87 points, are you shitting me? Might wanna take notice as someone pointed out above that the questions frequently say things like "Every/Everyone" or "Always" and you're only supposed to click them if they happen literally every time.)

S7: -4 Points

Totaled: 60 Point

 

So yea, Tatsuya is kind of a Mary Sue (albeit Irregular, he's more of an Anti-Hero, yet Anti-Heroes have to score 0 or below here), but to be honest, just being an MC who actually has a power adds like 30 points by itself in this test, so I'm not sure how accurate this thing is in the first place.


Edited by TaintedDream, 20 March 2014 - 12:30 AM.


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There are many problems with using this test in this context. For example,

 

1. The test is built for an authors use so taking the test for the author as a third party is not very meaningful. e.g.: Do you wish you had your character's outfit? - If answered by the reader, it can always be subjective. Technically, his outfit is a school uniform befitting the setting (A Japanese school uniform befitting a future period in Japan). However, the reader may think it to be desirable or undesirable out of context.

 

2. Some of the questions don't take into account the world in which it is built. For example, "Does your character have a special magical or supernatural attack?" In this case, would this still apply if a large portion of individuals in the world had access to the general abilities of the person in question? I'm not talking specific techniques, I'm talking of the overarching process. In this case, the world is dominated by magic and powerful ability users, of which the Japanese equivalent includes members of the ten master clans. Now in the context strictly within the intrigue of those powerful organizations, he is more balanced, though not by much.

 

3. Many of the questions overlap, or are in need of clarification. e.g.: Do you describe your character in particularly florid detail? Does your character have a mental illness that interferes with his or her life (not counting amnesia, multiple personality disorder, nymphomania, or anything else "cool")?

         In this case of florid detail, if most of the massive cast are described in great detail, does that make it florid? Also, you are not the one describing the subject, the author is. In addition, whether or not the mental illness is "cool" sounding is completely objective from the reader's side

 

I do admit that I do enjoy the series and my opinions may be biased and that Tatsuya may in fact be OP, however this test is meant for the author's benefit in the creative process.



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S1: 0 Points.

S2: 16 Points.

S3: 28 Points

S4: 12 Points

S5: 36 Points

S6: 39 Points

S7: -4 Points

Totaled: 127 Point

 

The score could easily add or deduct 40-60 points thanks to overlapping questions and basing if one has read the LNs.

As TaintedDream said no suprise since Tatsuya is complete OP and a genius in a shonen+action.


Edited by Gurken-Salat, 28 March 2014 - 07:00 AM.


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I rather have an OP MC than the typical train everytime defeat a guy than lose again and train again :)

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10 points to Ravenclaw for xstar's post insightful post. As xstar said, the purpose of the test is to help authors inspect their creations from a more objective standpoint, identifying whether they are creating something "personally interesting" to the author or "generally interesting" to a possible audience. Even that isn't a good way of putting it though. The test has a multi-faceted purpose and is largely relativistic, as xstar brought up on multiple points.

 

Consider the question: "Is the MC described with excessively florid detail?"

 

Would the author count this against their MC if it is simply their writing style and used for all characters?

 

Here's an example of the extreme of this, when it is a problem and harms writing and shows obvious favoritism to the MC, as can be often found in fan-fiction containing mary sue characters. Meet MC John and his best friend Jack: "Jack was cool looking with blond hair, a sharp contrast to John who's tall, dark presence filled the room and cut through the class with his piercing brown eyes with flecks of hazel and and wire rimmed glasses that caught the light. His uniform snug and unbuttoned at the top to expose the edges of his clavicle. Sauntering over to his seat the whole class stopped to stare. Jack came over saying, 'Dude what's with that catching everyone's attention as usual!?' Every girl in class caught their breath at the sound of John's voice in response, ears straining to hear soft reply of his deep voice like the rushing of a river, 'Whatever.'"

 

Here we see the author's favoritism to MC John, putting a spotlight on him and using other characters, namely BF Jack and the unnamed classmate mob, to draw attention to how DEEPLY FACINATING and OBVIOUSLY INTERESTING John is and how VERY AWESOME John really is and how much you should just absolutely LOVE HIM as an MC.

 

There was actually one Mary Sue test I'd seen which was actually very careful to go over this in the opening of their test, how even possessing a high score doesn't denote a poorly written character, even if they seem to be a Mary Sue, and that Mary Sues can still be fantastic main characters to a series. More so, even some characters that might test as a Mary Sue really aren't for one reason or another.


Though here I am missing the forest for the trees and getting all detailed about some things where the primary issue here is much more fundamental.

 

. . . wait that simile doesn't quite work here. Oh well. >_>

 

Anyway, more importantly is the fundamental issue of "How are you defining a Mary Sue?"

 

OP, genius and hyper capable of handling situations =/= Mary Sue

(At least not always and in every instance.)

 

In fact, some Mary Sue's are quite weak and pathetic, and their Sue-ism displays itself in other areas.

 

Simply because a character is written as being of supremely high caliber does not necessarily mean they are poorly written. (Though I won't pretend that every high caliber character is well written, nor that writing such a character well and realistically is easy.)


Edited by nalydw, 18 April 2014 - 05:27 AM.


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is mary sue character such a bad thing?

 

i mean out of all anime in a year u can maybe find less than 5-10 mary sue and lots of wimp sad to say...

 

yeah i know people need to grow but thats people not anime character...u make them not grow them xD



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Is it really that bad? Tatsuya is far more belivable than Kamijou Touma... And Tatsuya if far more overpwoered...
Also, read all the current translated novels both of Mahouka and Index this are my scores:

 

68 Tatsuya (only by one escaped 69 <.<)
82 Kamijou Touma (And he is just "a normal school boy")

 

Conclusion: Come on just read for the fun and ignore the realiy of it, Touma has died over a thousand times and just gets sent to the hospital thrice a week or two. At least Tatsuya is far more believable than someone who can stand himself against a true magic god <.<.



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Thoses two characters are for two diff. worlds.  Regardless in my opinion he's awesome as i do get tired of reading the main character being so passive and stuff.


"she’s sad that the city has since changed a lot: she told him, "that he'll still remained the same to her even if he grows up."

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Being overpowered is not (or not only) what a "mary sue" is about.

In my opinion, Tatsuya is a Mary Sue because

- he has special abilities: even in a world dominated by magic, his two main abilities (basically deconstruction and reconstruction) are - at best - extremely rare and work in an anti-magic field, plus he develops more unique techniques that nobody could before him (reading activation sequence, limited anti-magic field... and that's only from the first story arc).

- he has epic-level intelligence, making him solve both the biggest "science puzzles" along the story as a simple matter of fact and any mystery that is brought by the events.

- any difficult situation is "unlocked" by him, despite the presence of several other character introduced as "geniuses" or "overpowered" themselves.

- but most important of all, everyone ends up noticing him in one way or another - not necessarily surprising given his ability to solve anything - and those who are not outwardly antagonistic all like him to some extend. (His sister, his classmates, student president and disciplinary president, etc.)

- his flaws (lack of emotion and restriction to use of general magic) don't seem to hinder him in any way except with his relation to his own parents... which in a way makes him even more liked by those few who know his background.

 

The only two conditions that I'm not sure about are:

- does the author identifies himself with him? ("maybe" point there, I'll leave him the benefit of doubt)

- the author didn't twist an existing fiction to forcefully insert himself as a key character where he doesn't belong... although it really seems like he did create a world for the sole purpose of having Tatsuya solve everything. (not sure if I should count this one though, the "Mary Sue" concept originated from fan-fiction, but is not limited to this field)

 

So, this story seemed interesting at first. The magic system described seemed ok and the story started well.

Problem is that it's way too Tatsuya-centric, making other characters close to irrelevant for any purpose other than to emphasize his role in everything.



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No, he's a gary stu. Because he's not a hoe. Or a transvestite.