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[Sieg06660]

I for 1 cant remember who she is and its irritating me

[Arcenciel]

Random Prisoner of War A, captured when the empire first invaded japan.

Edited by Arcenciel, 19 February 2014 - 01:50 PM.

[skules]

Started off so good.... And then the rape bullshit got brought into the manga...

 

Really hope they just kill him and it never comes up again

[Firehorse32]

Unfortunately this is a war manga for mature readers. This probably won't be the last of the subject since the author likes to use the imagery to reinforce the brutality of life in the special area. Along with the vore, blood and guts, and political ass-hattery from both the modern nations and Empire.

 

His number isn't up....yet.  All I will say.

[Raleader]

i agree with Midorikitzune, i hate how some mangas use rape for drama but it never gets punished as it should, the rapist gets off with a slap on the wrist and sometimes and sometimes they even end up as friends with the mc and the victim. Some examples that come to mind are air gear, zero or tenjo tenge.

I want to see the bastard die, but at the same time he is the heir to the empire, so a diplomatic group sent to negotiate terms of peace can't really execute him in the spot. Thoug im happy that after punching him the other jsdf didnt started bowing and apologizing like it happens in so many other mangas.

[Firehorse32]

Don't worry. Prince is going to get his...just not yet. And it won't be pretty.

[Detriment]

The best way to read this is like the really bad B-movie that it is. The guy came into the room dragging all his slaves on a big iron ring, not even letting them walk. He has been shown multiple times raping them brutally because subtlety is not this series' strong point. Is there anything else they can do to paint him as cartoonishly evil?

 

The entire scene was set up so glorious JSDF soldier could rearrange his jaw and demonstrate to him that his army are inferior scum compared to the glorious resolve of the JSDF and their advanced tactics and weaponry (Glorious JSDF bayonet is folded a trillion times and can cut through solid antimatter, you know! Anyone who holds it gets the enchanted strength to beat ten armed men in melee combat).

 

It's the Conan the Barbarian plot hook where damsel is in distress and the warrior from another mysterious land has to come save her. This is the kind of attitude you need in order to enjoy this series. That the villains are cartoonishly evil and the heroes are over-the-top guns-resting-on-their-giant-cocks heroic.

 

And the reason they didn't just shoot the guy is the same reason Conan doesn't kill the evil wizard in the opening scene: There would be no story otherwise.

Edited by Detriment, 02 March 2014 - 02:31 AM.

[Voij]

The entire scene was set up so glorious JSDF soldier could rearrange his jaw and demonstrate to him that his army are inferior scum compared to the glorious resolve of the JSDF and their advanced tactics and weaponry (Glorious JSDF bayonet is folded a trillion times and can cut through solid antimatter, you know! Anyone who holds it gets the enchanted strength to beat ten armed men in melee combat).

Take another look, the bayonet was used exactly 4 times: Naked chest, unprotected throat, unprotected leg[remember, the imperials were skirts], unprotected throat.
Also, there's a difference between armed combatants of varying capability. And that's also the exact same reason why guns became so popular: An exceptional man and an average man can fight on somewhat equal grounds if they are both armed with guns. The same thing will never happen when they are both carrying swords/knives, where the more experience person will win 99 times out of 100.
As such, someone who's exceptionally trained, such as Kuribayashi, will have a massive advantage over the bodyguards[read: entourage] of a pompuous prince. [Especially since Kuribayashi was shown to be extraordinarily good at CQC, even for someone from Special Forces, while also having had multiple months to train herself in anti-swordsmen maneuvers and tactics.]

It might seem wrong at first that she had such an easy time, but in reality it's no different from someone in our special forces taking on e.g. the people Justin Bieber keeps around him for entertainment and protection.

[Raleader]

not so sure about that, they train since they are kids with swords and a bayonet is not exactly a good weapon against swords and shields, much less going in against superior numbers. she took an unnecesary risk there. Maybe they were just spoiled nobility brats with swords, but they could have been skilled swordman, capable of teamwork, and in that case, it doesn't matter if you come from a more advanced tecnological world, you are just playing by their rules with an inferior weapon (without considering the fact that you can shoot with it).

[Phobia]

The guards underestimated their oponent, most likely overestimated their own ability and she seems, at least to me, prefer CQC over firing her weapon. Also after the guards managed to pull themselves together and form a solid shield formation, she just emptied her gun at them.

 

Though I wouldn't be supriced if we hear some wagner and Stalin's organ sometime soon..

[Detriment]

Take another look, the bayonet was used exactly 4 times: Naked chest, unprotected throat, unprotected leg[remember, the imperials were skirts], unprotected throat.
Also, there's a difference between armed combatants of varying capability. And that's also the exact same reason why guns became so popular: An exceptional man and an average man can fight on somewhat equal grounds if they are both armed with guns. The same thing will never happen when they are both carrying swords/knives, where the more experience person will win 99 times out of 100.
As such, someone who's exceptionally trained, such as Kuribayashi, will have a massive advantage over the bodyguards[read: entourage] of a pompuous prince. [Especially since Kuribayashi was shown to be extraordinarily good at CQC, even for someone from Special Forces, while also having had multiple months to train herself in anti-swordsmen maneuvers and tactics.]

It might seem wrong at first that she had such an easy time, but in reality it's no different from someone in our special forces taking on e.g. the people Justin Bieber keeps around him for entertainment and protection.

 

Precisely my point

 

The entire scene was set up specifically to show the superior tactics and resolve of the JSDF and spit in the face of the prince and reality.

 

Never mind the fact that those guys are the same prince bodyguards we saw before and are likely highly trained swordsman. Or the fact that they are way taller than she is and therefore way stronger, or the fact that they have numerical advantage alone. Nope. All that matters is that she was a glorious JSDF infantry (not even special forces, mind you, so your argument is in the toilet) and therefore completely immune to barbaric weaponry and tactics.

 

Of course I can't even tell if you're joking or not, arguing that it's perfectly understandable for a single soldier to beat numerous armed men who are trained, taller, and stronger than she is in armed melee combat for the mere reason that "she's trained" (and prince bodyguards arent?). Those grunts having swords was superfluous, in a realistic scenario, they could have just rushed at her and grabbed her and there wouldn't be anything she could do about it.

 

I can't see how anyone can view that as anything but a ridiculous power fantasy. 

 

I find your view on knife and melee combat hilarious though, that skill will ALWAYS WIN and strength and brute strength are mere side-notes that can never overcome the resolve of superior training no matter who is using it. I would say that you've been watching too many Bruce Lee movies or reading too much Naruto but then again, we are both reading GATE which is like one big silly Bruce Lee movie anyway.

 

 

The guards underestimated their oponent, most likely overestimated their own ability and she seems, at least to me, prefer CQC over firing her weapon. Also after the guards managed to pull themselves together and form a solid shield formation, she just emptied her gun at them.

 

Though I wouldn't be supriced if we hear some wagner and Stalin's organ sometime soon..

 

Great, glad to know that the guards underestimating her gave her Dio Brando superpowers allowing her to skillfully eviscerate the enemy while they were completely frozen in time.

 

Back to comparisons to fiction, its the Conan the Barbarian scene where dozens of enemies come at him in single file so he can chop them down one at a time.

 

And I'm really surprised both of you are taking it seriously or even acting offended, offended that I'm not taking it with the seriousness you've apparently invested in it.

Edited by Detriment, 03 March 2014 - 06:50 PM.

[Phobia]

She did fight side by side with Rory the reaper. At the battle it was suggested that they have equaly strong CQC skills, in my opinion though.

 

Did that scene show JSDF superiority over Empire's forces? Yes it did.

Did author give her some superpowers for this act alone? Nah, the whole team led by Itami is composed from 'superior' inviduals.

[fuzzyidioms]

not so sure about that, they train since they are kids with swords and a bayonet is not exactly a good weapon against swords and shields, much less going in against superior numbers. she took an unnecesary risk there. Maybe they were just spoiled nobility brats with swords, but they could have been skilled swordman, capable of teamwork, and in that case, it doesn't matter if you come from a more advanced tecnological world, you are just playing by their rules with an inferior weapon (without considering the fact that you can shoot with it).

please also consider that a bayonet is intended to be used when mounted as a short spear. 

 

Having done MMA/Wma SPEARS ARE MEAN. I am trained in German and Italian Sword schools but, given the option I prefer a polearm of any type over my sword. 

 

I do agree that the Prince's companions are hilariously poor in this context thou one may also argue that proximity to royalty does not mean competence.

[Firehorse32]

I think there are a couple of factors involved with the Prince's idiot posse.  

 

1- They were shocked by events occurring. The earthquake and then Itami punching Prince Dipwit. Then some crazy woman attacks them.

2- They are in the 'the invaders are just barbarians and can't do anything as good as we can' camp...and therefore underestimate their opponent. Rather, they have no actual understanding of their opponents. (and this is the biggest reason they got their ass handed to them.)

3- Kuri is a woman. A woman can't possibly be as good a fighter as a man.

4- What the hell is she using as a weapon? Oh well, we have swords and shields. She's toast.

5- They were in a 'cluster' rather than a formation and not really set up to support each other.

6- They've been trained in sword, spear, and bow combat vs other sword, spear, and bow combat users. Most people experienced in martial arts and weapons will tell you that when you first go up against a weapon style you're not used to facing, it takes a bit to get a feel for how it flows and to read it.  Kuri didn't give those idiots that time.

7- Their best defense would have been to rush Kuri and get around her when she attacked the first guy. They lined up instead like good little sitting ducks on a wall.

8- By no means are they 'elite' troops. They're nobles whose trainers were probably afraid to push them as hard they would have actual 'elite' level troops for fear of petulant reprisals. Not to say they're incompetent. I just don't think they are actually better than real troops.

 

Kuri is a close combat specialist who has commendations for hand to hand. What do you want to bet that she has some formal weapons training like kendo or such in her background too?

 

By the time Kuri opened up on them, their morale was already shaken. The rifle fire just finished shattering it. They had no way to win that fight against her once they failed to bum rush her.  And that doesn't even bring into play Furata who was covering her and did drop the one guy trying to come in on her flank.

[geenius3ab]

Well I think this discussion has been quite silly. 

You can't say what can happen in a fight. In a fight it's really easy to lose cause of a bad hangover to just having a bad day (And being upset cause of it.).

Although I'd say it was a bit too much just taking those guys down with CQC and risking everything by not actually using the guns for what they're meant for. That decision was the strange thing. Because in that situation you'd minimize the risk cause you were already over-numbered and letting 1 woman take on over 10 opponents in CQC just doesn't make sense. She can be as good as god in CQC, but army doesn't function like that, and a modern soldier choosing to fight like that makes no sense.

Edited by geenius3ab, 05 March 2014 - 12:17 AM.

[Firehorse32]

Agreed. The sensible thing to do would have been to open up first and reduce the number of opponents.  But since Kuri is a bit of a hothead (and not too forward thinking), she went for the adrenalin rush of mixing it up instead.

 

By all rights, she should have lost that fight. She just had fortune on her side with the circumstances in her favor (and a lot of faith in Furata's marksmanship I guess).

[KGeddon]

The best way to read this is like the really bad B-movie that it is. The guy came into the room dragging all his slaves on a big iron ring, not even letting them walk. He has been shown multiple times raping them brutally because subtlety is not this series' strong point. Is there anything else they can do to paint him as cartoonishly evil?

 

The entire scene was set up so glorious JSDF soldier could rearrange his jaw and demonstrate to him that his army are inferior scum compared to the glorious resolve of the JSDF and their advanced tactics and weaponry (Glorious JSDF bayonet is folded a trillion times and can cut through solid antimatter, you know! Anyone who holds it gets the enchanted strength to beat ten armed men in melee combat).

 

It's the Conan the Barbarian plot hook where damsel is in distress and the warrior from another mysterious land has to come save her. This is the kind of attitude you need in order to enjoy this series. That the villains are cartoonishly evil and the heroes are over-the-top guns-resting-on-their-giant-cocks heroic.

 

And the reason they didn't just shoot the guy is the same reason Conan doesn't kill the evil wizard in the opening scene: There would be no story otherwise.

 

I was rather suprised at how well drawn and consistent this chapter was.  I could follow every movement Kurabayashi executed, as well as the reasoning behind it.  To dismiss it as lightly as you do indicates that you didn't actually look at the placement of hands, feet, weapons, or lines indicating movement.

[geenius3ab]

I was rather suprised at how well drawn and consistent this chapter was.  I could follow every movement Kurabayashi executed, as well as the reasoning behind it.  To dismiss it as lightly as you do indicates that you didn't actually look at the placement of hands, feet, weapons, or lines indicating movement.

I don't think it's a good idea to say anything like that, because it's the author who puts the character into that place. For a real human to be in those situations and move accordingly requires them to pretty much be a CQC veteran with years of experience against swords, because sword fights aren't that slow-paced that you could easily dodge all attacks and counter-attack against fighters who're prided as one of the best (Prince said that they were bragging about their sword skills all the time.). JSDF doesn't really have too much war experience, so I honestly would doubt that she could kill without hesitation like a veteran (And even if she were so angry that hesitation wouldn't occur, then the fact that she was that accurate and quick just shows that she wasn't actually that angry.). And even if we gave her all that, the fact that she would fight in CQC instead of just gunning them down is stupid in and of itself.

Edited by geenius3ab, 08 March 2014 - 02:03 PM.

[KGeddon]

I don't think it's a good idea to say anything like that, because it's the author who puts the character into that place. For a real human to be in those situations and move accordingly requires them to pretty much be a CQC veteran with years of experience against swords, because sword fights aren't that slow-paced that you could easily dodge all attacks and counter-attack against fighters who're prided as one of the best (Prince said that they were bragging about their sword skills all the time.). JSDF doesn't really have too much war experience, so I honestly would doubt that she could kill without hesitation like a veteran (And even if she were so angry that hesitation wouldn't occur, then the fact that she was that accurate and quick just shows that she wasn't actually that angry.). And even if we gave her all that, the fact that she would fight in CQC instead of just gunning them down is stupid in and of itself.

Jukendo, it's a thing. The author probably practiced it or maybe still does, as the fight demonstrates it's basics.