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Mari? (possibly spoilers)


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mental breakdown vs body swap?

  1. 1. Body swap (3 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  2. 2. Mental breakdown (29 votes [60.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.42%

  3. 1.5. one way body swap (9 votes [18.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  4. 0.0 everything is playing out within Isao's head (7 votes [14.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.58%

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There are so far two main schools of thought regarding Mari's identity
1, it's a real supernatural Gender bender body swap he's in her's she's in his.
2, Mari went a little crazy and now thinks she is Isao after a period of intense stalking
since this spawned from OSHIMI Shuzo's mind it's a razer fine line between the two
 
case for scenario 1

  • the person in Mari's body seems to show no recollection of anything that Mari would actually know
  • he knows stuff that Mari is very unlikely to know 
  • apparently totally different personalities

case for scenario 2

  • Mari was apparently an EPIC stalker receipts, porn etc. etc.ch25 the drawing on the balcony
  • she was rarely at home, so where was she?
  • possibly somewhat traumatic home life  as yet insufficient evidence but the father seems suspicious

other stuff that might become important in figuring out mari's identity

  • Mari's relationship with her mother in ch22  and some of the early chapters raise some odd issues about her family and why they didn't notice a/the more striking personality change when the story began  (can you really just drag and drop a personality with so little acknowledgement from her family?) [I may have this  bit wrong I'm not sure whether she's referring to anytime after the "switch?" or just after the momoka split]

in either case the fact that the personality within Isao's body does not know her is a crucial detail, for scenario 1 is Mari's personality actually there but something happened that she'd rather not got back to her old life, for scenario 2 it's a defining detail that proves Mari's mental state has broken down
it also suggests the existence of a third scenario which I shall dub 1.5 where Isao's personality is now in both bodies and Mari has disappeared
what all cases seem to imply is that something traumatic happened just before the body swap either to cause her mental breakdown or dissuade her from returning to her old life
 
considering this story there is actually another case for mental breakdown that this entire scenario is being played out from within Isao's head, the structure of this story does give it some credence though it's unlikely i'll call it scenario 0.0
(note i haven't finished writing this post yet but i wanted to get it up here,  need to flesh out the evidence for both arguments more)
 
as of ch23 Isao has now stated his existence however it's still doesn't change the discussion of whether he really is Isao or not.
(wonder how long I'll keep updating this with Cunchyroll's pickup, maybe I should just throw out some theories and see where that gets us)
ok crazy theory time

1, Hiroki doesn't care and starts kissing "Mari" again or the mum slaps her.

2, Other characters are revealed to have switched places.

3, The father is a secret mystical mastermind who planned and executed the whole body swap scenario.

4,...........errr.....ummmm we get some crazy fourth wall stuff??????
:P  :lol:

 

as of april 1st ch26

with the confrontation of isao we can now exclude option 1 at least, the other three are still viable. It could still go anywhere. 1, 2, 1.5, 0.0


Edited by subliminal, 01 April 2014 - 01:02 PM.


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Nice summary, very good.  :)

 

"in either case the fact that the personality within Isao's body does not know her is a crucial detail, for scenario 1 is Mari's personality actually there but something happened that she'd rather not got back to her old life, for scenario 2 it's a defining detail that proves Mari's mental state has broken down"

 

I'm still firmly in the "body swap" camp............or maybe I should say "body hijacking" since that's my real feeling on what's actually happened as things have been presented so far.

 

My answer to the question of "the personality within Isao's body does not know her" is that Mari simply lied when confronted. If what I think is actually what happened and Mari found a way to "steal" someone else's identity..............well, yeah, why would someone like that actually admit to their wrongdoing?  There would obviously be some purpose behind their actions and admitting it would probably put an end to pursuing whatever goal they have. 


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I think a hint is provided by the mangaka a couple chapters ago. On the opening page, he has an image of two Mari's - one following the other. One is reaching out towards the other saying to the effect, "I'm not going to run any more..." 

 

To me, that signifies that there is one Mari and two minds. She has been escaping from her real self in some way and she made the deliberate choice to stop running and face her real life once again. 

 

So we have the original Mari wanting to escape her life. In my opinion so far, she stalked some guy she met after school to the point where she mentally believed she WAS him. She learned all about him - his name, history, habits, and activities. For several years she was able to do that after school and then unplug herself on the walk home from the market. The night of the "switch" she refused to unplug and is in the process of reincorporated that life into her own. For her to be her again, she needs to bring together her male and female sides of her psyche. 

 

Eventually, she will figure out that both "Mari" and "Isao" are inside Mari.



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I think taaudoloran has a point there, and that Mari somehow went so overboard with her stalking, that some kind of traumatic experience might have triggered a personality swap. The father does seem suspicious, but the scene seems to imply that both parents were going to speak with her then (however, we are talking about a Oshimi Shuzo manga here, the mindfuck can go deeper and deeper).

I'm not letting the supernatural mind swap possibility out yet, maybe Mari did hijack his body and, since she knew so much about him, is pretending to be him, just to turn the madness up a notch.

Aniway, I'm SURE of something: Mari is seriously twisted, whatever kind of angel our MC thought she was, he couldn't be more wrong...


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I'm not letting the supernatural mind swap possibility out yet, maybe Mari did hijack his body and, since she knew so much about him, is pretending to be him, just to turn the madness up a notch.

Would it really be necessary to think Mari was pretending to be him though? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, this has been running for a while now and the earlier chapters aren't necessarily fresh in my mind, but we only saw "him" when "she" confronted him the one time almost immediately after it happened, right? "He" basically blew "her" off and..........well, that was that, right?

 

Now, at this point in the story...........well, we really have no idea what's happening with "him" do we? Again, correct me if I'm wrong, and there's not necessarily that much time actually transpired "story wise",  but "he" could be totally gone by now, abandoned "his" life, left town and gone on to bigger and better things. I've got to be honest, given how things have been presented that's exactly what I expect..............if indeed she swapped with him, she planned who to swap with and most likely with a purpose other than taking over some losers life. 


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Would it really be necessary to think Mari was pretending to be him though? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, this has been running for a while now and the earlier chapters aren't necessarily fresh in my mind, but we only saw "him" when "she" confronted him the one time almost immediately after it happened, right? "He" basically blew "her" off and..........well, that was that, right?

 

Now, at this point in the story...........well, we really have no idea what's happening with "him" do we? Again, correct me if I'm wrong, and there's not necessarily that much time actually transpired "story wise",  but "he" could be totally gone by now, abandoned "his" life, left town and gone on to bigger and better things. I've got to be honest, given how things have been presented that's exactly what I expect..............if indeed she swapped with him, she planned who to swap with and most likely with a purpose other than taking over some losers life. 

yes if that were the case it could explain why his old self is not at his apartment when he snuck in to hide for things just why is his old neet self no longer staying home I wonder just what is she plain then but if indeed he is in both body this could get much more broken then it already is seeming he doesn't know much of mari life he could slip up at her house and cause a commotion it makes me wonder what's next to come


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Chi no nagare yori akaki mono
Toki no nagare ni umoreshi
Idainaru nanji no na ni oite
Ware koko ni yami ni chikawan
Warera ga mae ni tachi fusagarishi
Subete no orokanaru mono ni
Ware to nanji ga chikara mote
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yes if that were the case it could explain why his old self is not at his apartment when he snuck in to hide for things just why is his old neet self no longer staying home I wonder just what is she plain then but if indeed he is in both body this could get much more broken then it already is seeming he doesn't know much of mari life he could slip up at her house and cause a commotion it makes me wonder what's next to come

Yes, I agree with you, the whole "what's gonna happen next" part is something I'm greatly looking forward to. A good question, I wonder how long it'll be..........right now the story is firmly in the "his dealing with taking over Mari's life" mode. I may well be quite some time before any of us really know for sure what's happened. 

 

Frankly the whole "Mari's just crazy" theory isn't really supported by the story content. Not that I'm any kind of expert on "multiple personalities" or whatever the proper medical term might be............but I've certainly seen enough other dramatic works about it to know what we're seeing in this story isn't like any of the rest. 


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Yes, I agree with you, the whole "what's gonna happen next" part is something I'm greatly looking forward to. A good question, I wonder how long it'll be..........right now the story is firmly in the "his dealing with taking over Mari's life" mode. I may well be quite some time before any of us really know for sure what's happened. 

 

Frankly the whole "Mari's just crazy" theory isn't really supported by the story content. Not that I'm any kind of expert on "multiple personalities" or whatever the proper medical term might be............but I've certainly seen enough other dramatic works about it to know what we're seeing in this story isn't like any of the rest. 

true Cuz if really was mari being bipolar you would notice right off the back I have seen it first hand 


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Chi no nagare yori akaki mono
Toki no nagare ni umoreshi
Idainaru nanji no na ni oite
Ware koko ni yami ni chikawan
Warera ga mae ni tachi fusagarishi
Subete no orokanaru mono ni
Ware to nanji ga chikara mote
Hitoshiku horobi o ataen koto o

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One thing that I find weird is how that one girl believed mari so easily about the body swap, I think she might have something to do with things maybe she did something or maybe she is the mastermind? I am not sure but I think her actions and everything about her was strange


Edited by TracReed, 29 March 2014 - 06:59 PM.

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Okay, so I’m not sure what hypothesis was being put to the test in this one. But YouTube user John Fredrik Rian ordered some science from the science place, and then some really intense stuff happened. And sheep. For science!


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One thing that I find weird is how that one girl believed mari so easily about the body swap, I think she might have something to do with things maybe she did something or maybe she is the mastermind? I am not sure but I think her actions and everything about her was strange

Or it could mean that she knows about Mari's disorder...

 

Remember, the flashback where Mari kissed Yori was in Yori's head, not Mari's, it's a memory of Yori's. That might have been a hint that Mari had experienced a different personality in the past before going back to normal and then becoming Isao.


Edited by Bufkus, 12 June 2014 - 06:09 PM.


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My stupid theory:

 

Komori personality got copied like a computer virus and implanted in Mari's personality, erasing her personality but not all memories of her (so she remember the thing that happened with Yori) but also has the knowledge of Komori (videogames, etc.), the process also made that Komori's memories of noticing/thinking about her got erased, also she stalked him (and forced him to notice her as we see in chapter 1) and in the end the whole process happened (PLOT TWIST: THE FATHER, THE BROTHER AND THE TEACHER ARE IN A SECRET PLAN TO RULE THE WORLD USING THIS TECHNIQUE TO IMPLANT PERSONALITIES IN EVERYBODY AND DO AN ARMY OF SOLDIERS)

 

Ok, ok, I leave, bye.



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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-03-20/shuzo-oshimi-inside-mari-manga-gets-live-action-series/.113654

 

 

 

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