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Outarou & Ran, Pedophilic ass and ignorant little girl


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Comments on this comic about liking Outarou have me repulsed. So I decided to site down and respond to many of these stupid comments and show many of the examples where Outarou has acted like a nasty piece of garbage whos sliminess exceeds words.

 

Also, I bet those who would accept Outarou and Ran as a couple, would be less accepting if Ran was 300 years old, but had the body of a seven year old, or something. Sexual morality by appearance.

 

Outarou is interested in Ran for her beauty, is interested in her for her magic and how it makes his life more interesting/less boring, and if anything about Rans personality interests him, it would be her child like (because she is a child, and behaves as one) innocence, which I am sure he just wants to corrupt. He clearly wants to have sex with her, despite her appearance to him being extremely young, and her behavior being even younger. I would not call Outarous interest in Ran love, more like infatuation.

 

Many examples of Outarou behaving horribly, I just have to find parts with him in it to come up with examples. So here I am rereading parts of the comic to do just that.

 

Outarou exposes himself to a little girl without a care.

http://vatoto.com/read/_/57540/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v1_ch5_by_storm-in-heaven/5

 

Fires a guard for not interfering with justified police action more. Even though its not like the police even stopped him, much less arrested him, despite his extreme public display of indecency.

http://vatoto.com/read/_/57540/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v1_ch5_by_storm-in-heaven/6

 

Even when he first sees Ran, he sees her as a kid, where as when he gets to know her better, he should really see her as a kid, since that is how she behaves. Despite seeing her as a kid, he comes onto her a number of times

http://vatoto.com/read/_/57540/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v1_ch5_by_storm-in-heaven/11

http://vatoto.com/read/_/57540/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v1_ch5_by_storm-in-heaven/12

 

Start of Ouarous manipulations of Ran

http://vatoto.com/read/_/57540/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v1_ch5_by_storm-in-heaven/18

 

Butler "toy for your own amusement" Outarou "It's her fault for showing up here."

http://vatoto.com/read/_/57540/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v1_ch5_by_storm-in-heaven/19

 

Ouarous, who was hardly even bothered by being put out naked, gets revenge x10 anyway. Destroying all the valuables of the girl who did it and leaving her stranded naked (and it is not nearly the same thing for a women to be stuck naked, as a man, especially without money etc) Even manipulates a maid into helping him with his revenge.

http://vatoto.com/read/_/91391/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v2_ch8_by_kotonoha/23

 

Well it's not like he was really angry, he just really enjoys hurting people.

http://vatoto.com/read/_/91391/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v2_ch8_by_kotonoha/25

 

Being a jerk to kids for no reason at all.

http://vatoto.com/read/_/161771/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch18_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/8

 

Well he does hate children, well when he's not courting them like Ran

http://vatoto.com/read/_/161771/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch18_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/19

 

Smashing kids into the ground is fun!

http://vatoto.com/read/_/161771/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch18_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/20

 

 

People who have felt a bad vibe from Outarou from the start 

Her brother.

Smart magic teacher:

http://vatoto.com/read/_/90356/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v2_ch7 _by_kotonoha/31

Kid in class first time seeing him, before even knowing his involvement with Ran:

http://vatoto.com/read/_/91391/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v2_ch8_by_kotonoha/41 and here is that vibe again http://vatoto.com/read/_/161771/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch18_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/9 and again www.batoto.net/read/_/161771/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch18_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/16 (and no, I don't think that last one is just jealousy)

Wise healing man who's never even met the guy awake:

http://vatoto.com/read/_/101677/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v2_ch9_by_kotonoha/42

 

Those that know him well don't think well of him in this regard either.

http://vatoto.com/read/_/57540/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v1_ch5_by_storm-in-heaven/19

http://vatoto.com/read/_/161771/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch18_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/12

 

 

And again http://vatoto.com/read/_/101677/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v2_ch9_by_kotonoha/42

He's so poisonous, he's naturally compatible with these wasp insects that normally kill human hosts.

 

 


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It was just a dream..   he had many other chances of raping her in the real world if he wanted to, but he didn't.

 

Nope, more like he's tried to force himself on her, but her magic prevented it. And from the start he's seen her magic, so he knows he can't force her physically.

http://vatoto.com/read/_/57541/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v1_ch6_by_storm-in-heaven/43 And that is no dream!

Someone mentioned them being friends? That link also shows what Ouarou thinks of that.

 

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In fact, Outarou is clearly just a spoilt kid in an adult's body, as his butler knows

 

He might not be very mature, but aside from immaturity, there is nothing childlike about him. What makes you think otherwise? I mean a serial killer/rapist could be immature. Outarou being immature doesn't mean him and Ran make any kind of sense as a couple or mean Outarou is "kid like".

 

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Looks like Outaro have a lot of antifans XD The latest chapter make me respect him, though.

Judging by the date of this comment post, I assume you mean chapter 17

 

You mean where he forces on himself on her brothers girl? Or when he threatens her with implied sexual violence if she dare try to look out for Ran/"Get in his way"? Which is more deserving of your respect?

http://vatoto.com/read/_/161638/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch17_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/20

http://vatoto.com/read/_/161638/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch17_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/21

 

If you mean where he says "They are in love, can't you be happy for them"

http://vatoto.com/read/_/161638/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch17_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/26

A few notes on this, first of all, he just threatened and forced a kiss & and a embrace on the girl of that love only a few pages earlier. (aside from anything else, is almost like cheating on Ran) And Ran is starting fires and drenching everything with rain, if he doesn't say something to pacify her, its bad for him in a number of different ways. Note that he does not say 'they love you and are just looking out for you' or anything like that. He wants there to be a wedge between her and her family so he can take advantage of her as he likes. This comment was just a crafy piece of manipulation on his behalf. Not only does he calm her down, he gives her the impression that he is not against her family.  If he did the reverses and spouted off about her brother who she does love, despite her words,  she would hate Outarou. He hides his machination  in dividing her from her family and gets more trust and love from her.  So there was nothing noble or nice about these words, all said in pure self interest.

 

Here is him voicing his desire to isolate Ran 

http://vatoto.com/read/_/161771/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch18_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/25

 

Wonder what will happen to him when he found out Ran is TEN not some high school teen...

 

Based on the character, probably turned on even more. But considering that isn't very PC of the comic, he'd probably voice some disgust, but not give up on owning her. Anyway, villains are allowed to violate PC more, and he clearly is the main and even only, Villain of this story. (aside from the wasps which seem to lack much intelligence on their own, so are more a force of nature then a villain)

 

He does want to own her

http://vatoto.com/read/_/161771/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v3_ch18_by_futari-wa-pretty-anon/27

 

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....lead him to look like Ran's puppy, as stated by the bald guy in the shop. Notwithstanding appearances the one leading their relationship is Ran, not Outarou as he usually does with other women.

 

Wrong, he knowingly uses her childlike/child innocence as well as years of experience womanizing and manipulating people in general, to manipulator her.  She might have all the magical powers, but she's on his leash. Though her magic powers do keep him guessing and working to keep that control.

 

Here's him forcing himself in the door.

http://vatoto.com/read/_/91391/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v2_ch8_by_kotonoha/42

 

Chasing her down and getting her alone

http://vatoto.com/read/_/57541/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v1_ch6_by_storm-in-heaven/23

 

Here's evidence of his years of experience manipulating women

http://vatoto.com/read/_/91391/ran-to-haiiro-no-sekai_v2_ch8_by_kotonoha/45

 

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He was so honest and sincere with Ran, 

 

You couldn't be more wrong. He's rarely been honest or sincere at all with Ran.

 

 

OK, there might be more examples then this of how horrible Outarou is, and how bad he is for Ran, but this is more then enough. This took a long time already.


Edited by truepurple, 22 August 2013 - 12:07 AM.


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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH oh god you make me laugh. Dude gtfo no one cares its a goddamn manga with awesome characters, so at times he acts like a prick that's who he is get over it you spent way too much time making this and i am at fault for reading all of it.


Edited by cibino, 22 August 2013 - 04:51 AM.


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Why are you under the assumption that Outarou represents a viable romantic partner for Ran?

 

I do agree that Outarou is a bit of an unscrupulous fellow, but I think you're missing the point of his relationship with Ran. While there is no doubt that he is attracted to her romantically, his attraction stems from her innocent outlook on life. It could be said that Ran represents the humanity that Outarou is slowly recovering. Remember the chapter that Ran said it was okay for him to kiss her? Well, Outarou had the chance to actually take that kiss he always wanted, but the development of his character demonstrates that he now respects the wishes of others. He realises that Ran really doesn't want to be kissed, and decides not to follow through with it.

 

He's not a good man, and he may never become a paragon of goodness, but you can tell he was slowly becoming a better person before the bugs possessed him. I can respect you not liking him, but was it really necessary to create this thread?


Edited by Liar, 22 August 2013 - 10:10 AM.


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Why are you under the assumption that Outarou represents a viable romantic partner for Ran?

I'm not, other people seem to be.

 

I do agree that Outarou is a bit of an unscrupulous fellow, but I think you're missing the point of his relationship with Ran. While there is no doubt that he is attracted to her romantically, his attraction stems from her innocent outlook on life. It could be said that Ran represents the humanity that Outarou is slowly recovering. Remember the chapter that Ran said it was okay for him to kiss her? Well, Outarou had the chance to actually take that kiss he always wanted, but the development of his character demonstrates that he now respects the wishes of others. He realises that Ran really doesn't want to be kissed, and decides not to follow through with it.

 

He's not a good man, and he may never become a paragon of goodness, but you can tell he was slowly becoming a better person before the bugs possessed him. I can respect you not liking him, but was it really necessary to create this thread?

 

So your premise is that  Outarou is slowly being less romantically interested in Ran, not wanting to possess her mind, body and soul as much? And that  Outarou was slowly becoming a better person?

 

What is your proof? Right up to the bug conversion he was acting like his usual awful self, or worse.. And that dream adventure when Ran dove in to save him from his dream, even then he showed his desire to have sex with her, and that was right up before his bug conversion.

 

So, rather then just claiming stuff, show me some proof. I showed you plenty of proof.

 

, Outarou had the chance to actually take that kiss he always wanted, but the development of his character demonstrates that he now respects the wishes of others. He realises that Ran really doesn't want to be kissed, and decides not to follow through with it.

 

What chapter was that? Was it that one right where he was visiting her, then right after she left, he turned darkside and killed a bunch of those raven/crow guys enmass? if it was then, I am sure he realized there was no point in pursuing sex with her (which is a major reason he wanted to kiss her I am sure) when he might not ever see her again as himself. Also, with the bug taking over his mind, I am sure things like that were becoming less and less important. And one hesitation to kiss, for whatever reason, is not sufficient evidence of reformation.


Edited by truepurple, 22 August 2013 - 10:45 AM.


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So your premise is that  Outarou is slowly being less romantically interested in Ran, not wanting to possess her mind, body and soul as much? And that  Outarou was slowly becoming a better person?

 

What is your proof? Right up to the bug conversion he was acting like his usual awful self, or worse.. And that dream adventure when Ran dove in to save him from his dream, even then he showed his desire to have sex with her, and that was right up before his bug conversion.

 

So, rather then just claiming stuff, show me some proof. I showed you plenty of proof.

 

You misunderstand, truepurple.
 
I'm not claiming Outarou will lose his romantic interest in Ran, but I'm claiming, from my own interpretation, that the relationship between Outarou and Ran will not evolve into a romantic relationship. However, that is not to say that Outarou will remain static in character. Although the change is not great, I think he is beginning to take others into consideration instead of remaining greedily selfish.
 
Like I said before, Chapter 22 provides a glimpse at how he has changed.
 
 
As you can see, Ran decided to allow Outarou to kiss her, but instead of just taking a lip-to-lip kiss, he decides not to. He remembers from the earlier pages that Ran only wants to kiss the person she loves, and right now that isn't him. Outarou decides to respect those boundaries; it should be noted that his earlier character profile will not allow that.
 
Granted, he does declare that he will not let her go, and that he vows to make her fall in love with him, but you can plainly see that his time spent with Ran has slowly begun to change him. We may never know if he could have truly become a better person, but the changes I've mentioned have shown that he may be on that path before the bug conversion.

 

Anyway, that is how I interpret it. If you disagree with my analysis, to each their own. And, uh, I've seen you around the forums, and I would like to ask not to insult me if you don't like my perspective. I'm not debating you, I'm having a literary discussion with you. If by saying this I offended you, then you have my apologies in advance.


Edited by Liar, 22 August 2013 - 10:46 AM.


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A debate is only a discussion with opposing beliefs, and is not a bad word, a bad thing, to do. And of course you don't offend me with that, why would you? I said repulsed earlier, and that was to what seems to be a slightly different view then your own, of Ouarou being this great misunderstood fellow, that is what I was saying repulsed me (which is different then offend)

Maybe Ourou is really falling in love with her, just a little. And since real love doesn't want to hurt someone, and since he sees she could be hurt by him with this (especially with the bug in him) even if she wants it, since she's so childlike and naive, he doesn't kiss her on the lips. Or maybe he wants to properly conquers her heart and figures it's not the right circumstance, as though her allowing this kiss was from obligation, rather then something he earned from her/won out of her through his machinations (to "conquer" it out of her) (I rather think it's the latter)

But either way/even so, that's just one aspect of his life for him to actually fall in love with a female a little bit for the first time, doesn't mean he's not still just as horrible a person in every other way. I am sure he would still not hesitate to expose himself to a little girl, fire a guard for not resisting a police officer enough, destroy a women for daring to cross him because he likes hurting people/reviles in revenge, throw a kids ball into a lake that happen to fall to him, stomp and grind a kid into the ground for being even slightly in his way, threaten a girl with sexual violence to keep her and her lover/Ran's brother, out of Rans life, and in general divide Ran from everyone in her life but him...... Do you think he will hesitate to do any of that even after that chapter/without the insect in his brain?

In short, Ourou is still a horrible person, he just has a bit of a soft spot or something for Ran. But if he really loved her, he would never be around her again, because he is poisonous. Not only has he not changed from what I can tell, he's even worse with the insects in his head which seem to be merging with his personality, rather then being completely separate. He's more literally becoming the poisonous insect he always was.

It's no surprise that the insects and him get along so well, they have so much in common, they are both dangerous, arrogant, controlling, suck the life out of everything, and are both survivors.

P.S. Hopefully Ran doesn't get it into her head that she can change Ourou once/if she finds out a little bit about how horrible he is. So many women think they can change a man, it's absurd thinking, especially for a little kid like Ran (if she does)


Edited by truepurple, 26 August 2013 - 08:14 PM.


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I really don't like this cliche/trope about heroines throwing themselves at the "bad boy" out of sympathy or motherly feelings. Not that I'm saying that Ran is throwing herself at Outarou, it's just that I'm tired of seeing the bad boys get the girls while the nice guys get thrown to the side. I'd like to see a sensible and less reckless leading lady for once, and it's a real pity to see this one heading down the same road as everyone else.

 

(I mean, what did I expect considering Ran is a 10 year old. But seriously, even when I was little kid I knew stranger danger. Shouldn't her parents or her brother teach her that creepy guys who want to do sexual things with her are to be avoided, not led on?)

 

Quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing this cycle of the nice guy picking up the pieces of the girl, and the girl picking up the pieces of the bad boy. It's like a braiding chain except the bad boy doesn't have to brain anyone's hair and the nice guy doesn't get his hair braided, if that makes sense.

 

If I were Ran I would get the heck outta there and let some other poor little nice girl attempt to fix him up proper. It's not a job a little, immature girl should be taking on, no matter how old she looks or how powerful she is. An immature person shouldn't be trying to make another immature person mature, it's like having a fourth grader who only knows the basics of multiplication teach a seventh grader algebra.



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I really don't like this cliche/trope about heroines throwing themselves at the "bad boy" out of sympathy or motherly feelings. Not that I'm saying that Ran is throwing herself at Outarou, it's just that I'm tired of seeing the bad boys get the girls while the nice guys get thrown to the side.

 

(I mean, what did I expect considering Ran is a 10 year old. But seriously, even when I was little kid I knew stranger danger. Shouldn't her parents or her brother teach her that creepy guys who want to do sexual things with her are to be avoided, not led on?)

 

Quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing this cycle of the nice guy picking up the pieces of the girl, and the girl picking up the pieces of the bad boy.

You know, I don't necessarily think it's an over used cliché......not in the titles I read/have read at least.......but I agree very much with where you're coming from in the case of this title in particular.

 

I like the concept of this story, a lot for that matter, but I really, really dislike the Ran / Outarou relationship / interactions. Yup, a big part of it is the fact she's a very young child who's masquerading as an adult during the whole thing ("physically only"  being the biggest point, no magical personality change where she's an "actual" adult")......and to make it all the worse is just how villainous Outarou has been portrayed.

 

I might go back to reading it.......but I really don't know that I will on this one. Kind of a shame as far as I'm concerned, I just really don't like the direction it went in this regard.


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I think it's a shame you'd give up the manga just because of this one aspect of it. If that's how you feel, then fair enough, but part of the narrative of this manga is Outarou's path to redemption and how Ran pulled him on it. Highlighting specific pages of his shitty behaviour is just silly in my opinion, these aren't real people. He didn't actually do those things, he's a character. He's there for a purpose and his actions play a role in what the author is trying to show. We don't criticize Love Hina for domestic abuse, right? Cause we know Naru hitting the nerdy guy is a literary tool. I get that it's creepy, but I think that's part of what makes this manga amazing. It's beautiful and adorable and magical, but there's a layer underneath all that glitter that is rough and grimy. Personally, I love it!  



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Yup, beautiful, adorable and magical..............and it also, unfortunately,  got to the point of every time I saw Ran and Outarou together it made my skin crawl. Like you said, it's creepy.

 

And yeah, a shame, but it is what it is......... for the most part I don't think  people can help what they "like" or "don't like".........some things we decide to tough out for the sake of the bigger picture, some things we don't.

 

In this case I found the Ran/Outarou relationship unpleasant and anything related to it in the story made me think about it.........no small problem since it evolved into the main theme of the manga.  >_< 


Edited by svines85, 07 October 2013 - 06:01 PM.

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OP, I think some people like Outarou because he's an asshole...

 

The Outarou/Ran friendship is a little creepy to me, but for the most part I appreciate it because it helps move the plot along. A lot of the conflict in the series is coming from Outarou and that insect thing.  Without him, the series would probably just be a happy-go-lucky supernatural slice of life.  The manga and its magical elements have been amazing so far so I have some level of confidence that whatever the mangaka does, its not going to be creepy at the end.  At the moment, I think the mangaka might pull something at the end where Ran never really develops a romantic relationship with anyone and its just focused on her personal growth.



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Hrm.

Outarou is definitely an asshole.  I have little doubt that's deliberate.  But he's not just an asshole; on one hand, as Liar points out, he's somewhere in the process of heading for some sort of redemption, showing there's more to him.  But on the other hand, he goes beyond just being an asshole and certainly beyond being a typical manga "bad boy".  In my opinion he's something much nastier and less glamorous than that.  He's a symbol of sorts--the exemplar of the modern, non- or even anti-magical, money/power/status obsessed conventional current society.  He's Wall Street, Gordon Gekko, the predator that eats everything and turns it into money.  It's oddly appropriate that he's been infected by the insect, the predator that more literally eats everything.

 

But at the same time he shows that underneath that overlay of the modern, the technological, the market, the inexorable logic of control and consumption, there is a human being; his encounter with Ran has started a conflict between the ownership and control drive of his modernist socialization and the more primal, magical, innocent instincts Ran embodies.  And Ran is winning 'cause she's that awesome :D

 

Which, incidentally, is kind of why Ran doesn't understand stranger danger.  She's not just a ten year old, she's a force of nature in a very literal sense--a massive raw magical force, but also a force belonging to the natural order in some way.  She's not stupid, but you notice that even kids her age find her naive.  You can look at this in realistic character terms and think well, she's never needed to be not-naive because she's so powerful and so are her relatives.  But I think it goes beyond that--she's naive because her magical nature partakes of youth and simplicity (for now, until the phase of the moon changes, anyway).  She is the maiden.

 

All this is part of why I don't really mind that she has a relationship with this guy.  On a semi-realistic characterization level, I don't mind because I don't see her as interested in him in the way most female leads get interested in creeps.  She never allows herself to be dominated by him and the relationship is mostly on her terms; she basically doesn't notice his creepiness.  She's fascinated because he's so different from anyone she's ever known, and in her odd paradoxical quest to be adult-ish he's the most adult, sophisticated person she's ever met.

But at a thematic level, it's a collision between the modern and what you might call the eternal, conflicting and also being beguiled by each other, and the question is which will win, which will seduce or overcome the other (if either).  It's a conflict that's been basic to fantasy, magic-oriented fiction since Tolkien and even before (you see it in Lord Dunsany for instance), and the best Japanese fantasy is no exception--take Hayao Miyazaki's stuff, like Spirited Away and, especially bluntly, Princess Mononoke.

 

There's other stuff going on.  You've got the kid love interest as well.  He and Outarou are opposites of a different kind, and you can't have the conflict between them if Outarou isn't there.  I tend to suspect that in the end, paradoxically the mature choice for Ran will be to be her own age and seek a simpler, more childlike love with someone her own age rather than to accelerate to adulthood with Outarou, and I might claim there's another comment on modern life in there.  But it's not interesting if Outarou isn't a strong character and a strong contender.



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Hi, thanks for making this thread. I also don't approve of the Ran-Outarou relationship because it's creepy. Over at Mangafox, I see so many Outarou fans gushing about him. They say things like "Ran and Outarou are perfect for each other", "it's ok if he's womanizer", "it's alright if he hates children, I still like him", "I actually read this manga for the Ran and Outarou moments", etc etc. It's like they completely gloss over his many, many flaws and are coming up with all sorts of justifications just to like him! If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her to date someone like Outerou, unless I don't care if she's abused and taken advantage of.

 

Everytime I see Ran and Outerou having intimate moments, I cringe in disgust, but then I realize that I'd been fooled! This is EXACTLY what the author wanted from us readers. She has succeeded in getting a reaction out of us, kudos to her! She made the story so real that people are actually getting overly emotional over it.

 

So, let's take a deep breath and try not to take this seriously, because it's fiction after all. I highly, highly doubt that Ran will end up with Outerou; there's a reason why the author introduced Outerou and Ran together. I think Outerou and Ran are both learning from each other. Outerou will get some sort of redemption, as mentioned above, and Ran will learn about stranger danger. They will both grow up, thanks to their interactions with each other. And, Ran will hopefully realize that there are plenty of fishes in the sea (albeit more attractive ones) and move on.



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In my opinion, I can consider this guy as a rapist and assault. A typical pedophile.

I mean, a 10 year does have some intelligence but has no development and can easily be molded if manipulative person tends to do so. It's so much easier to brainwash people with no self-awareness but even easier if they are kids.

 

The author was great at the start that made a in depth magical world, props to the author. I really enjoyed that but as the story went ahead... this manga became on my list of regrets. My biggest regrets always bothered me cause I really liked the manga, its characters and their world... yet it was totally destroyed later on. I wouldn't be bothered... if I didn't like the manga from the start.

 

The author's a idiot. You made the guy look bad but to gain the audience sympathy... you try propaganda to give him a "heroic", "honest" death. In the end he died as a paedo. There's plenty of mangas out there where the other person is older and with a child but that was rather pure with self-restraint and sacrifice his feelings for what was best for that person. That was love and not sick perverted... stuff like this.

 

A 10 year old has yet to have a proper will... thus, even if she does it of her own will... it's still forced cause she's not aware of what she'd truly doing. Sick... makes me punch the guy and the author.

 

Those saying it's a manga and fiction... ok, that's so but don't make a social hierarchy and intelectual development like ours. Cause we're gonna relate to your society and morals. There's plenty of mangas where they made a child be with super-awareness and super intellect. At Least have that and not a flipping immature kid who's playing the over energetic attention seeking kid who's lonely and doesn't want to lose "friends". She can't even understand what a friend is. Even the 10 year classmate, the boy has awareness.

Stuff like this will kids, people become hitler nazi of paedos... it promotes stuff like that. It can easily influence stupid people to agree to it morally, which should never happen.

 

Anyways, another totally ruined manga for me. Too bad it had an amazing world, characters and powers... except all that is overshadowed by the disgusting relationship.


Edited by defry, 15 November 2013 - 07:05 PM.


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Anyways, another totally ruined manga for me. Too bad it had an amazing world, characters and powers... except all that is overshadowed by the disgusting relationship.

 

I am totally on your side, but he died at the end (lets hope he stays dead) so maybe you will come to like this manga again.

I also hate him, but I thought that she just liked him a bit and not being in love with him.

with chapter 35 I am not sure if she loves him or not, I mean it could be that she wanted to tell him that she loves him or she maybe wanted to tell him that she is 10 years old.

I am still a bit puzzled at how he knew that she is 10 years old, did I miss something?



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In my opinion, I can consider this guy as a rapist and assault. A typical pedophile.

You do realize he didn't know her age, right?

(It seems like he did find out right at the end, but through the story it's pretty clear he did not--he didn't know exactly who she was, where she lived, who her family was; I'm assuming he found it out at some point during the "Ran temporarily revived him with magic and he was at the family home for a while when he woke up" sequence we didn't see)



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About him not knowing... I'm not too sure about that, considering how he knew about Ran's classmate as a "rival". Even if he didn't know... I still consider him so. It might be harsh for someone else's perspective but even if was aware or not, I still consider him so. They barely met and he forces himself on her in his apartment and he did similar "forcing" few times. In the end even Ran's to blame, cause she's a 10 year old wanting to be part of her elder's way of life but doesn't have the brain or heart for it. Even if a 10 year old is at fault and a adult doesn't have a fault in certain matters, he still becomes guilty the moment he or she gets involved and takes the kid seriously.

I rage so on about this guy... but that wouldn't quench my rage, except just fuel it if I keep thinking about it.

I am totally on your side, but he died at the end (lets hope he stays dead) so maybe you will come to like this manga again.

I also hate him, but I thought that she just liked him a bit and not being in love with him.

with chapter 35 I am not sure if she loves him or not, I mean it could be that she wanted to tell him that she loves him or she maybe wanted to tell him that she is 10 years old.

I am still a bit puzzled at how he knew that she is 10 years old, did I miss something?

I'll tell you something from experience. With certain artists and their habits, they to repeat certain scenarios and drama. He might not even die in the end or he might be "involved" somehow but one thing's for certain, keep reading and stuff like this will keep happening.

That's why, once something like this happened... I tend to avoid, cause I read manga to relax and not to build stress or rage, I'm not a M like some people who read drama crap for their daily dose of emotional drama.

 

Good luck reading it, I hope you'll enjoy it and nothing "like" this will happen again. I admit the author has amazing talent in drawing and creating such work but I'm not gonna read something with the fear "I hope nothing like that will happen again". 



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Hey defry, no need to be mean and insult people because they like some drama in their manga. : /  Not everyone reads for relaxation.

 

I feel like Outarou didn't figure out she was 10 till dying. (or more likely someone told him)  With the whole rival Hibi thing, I wouldn't really put it past Outarou consider himself rivals with a 10 year old since he seems immature to me anyway.  

 

Weirdly, the whole possible pedophile thing doesn't bother me as much as the few times when he pretty much assaulted Ran.  However, Ran's subconscious magic is so powerful that if she really didn't want him, she'd probably would have done something about it/never see him again.  I'm not going to get into the morality of whether she's mature enough to understand what's going on, that's a messy conversation.  Anyway, I'm just saying that I don't think its as black and white as people are making it out to be.

 

Still, now that he's dead I'm kind of confused what he was there for story-wise.  He developed as a character okay, but his asshole comment to Hibi at the end kind of reversed his character development for me.  Sure he got more appreciative and nicer to the people around him with the power of love, but wanting to deny Ran from ever loving again is stupid.  One of Ran's outstanding traits is how she is full of love for everyone she cares for in her life...so Outarou wanting her to only love him feels super dumb to me.  I get that he's flawed, and no one wants their loved ones to forget them when they die, but I feel like his selfishness got too much there.

 

I originally had faith in this author to do a good job with his character since I loved her oneshots, but man this character was done badly for me.  The author did a bad job of redeeming him if that's what she wanted.  I'll still keep reading this though, I still really enjoy how everyone else is developing.



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you know I'd just like to point out that there's some pretty big spoilers being bandied about in the most recent comments.........this thread really doesn't warn anybody that's going to be going on so you might want to consider not busting that sort of pivotal information out here.............telling people the ending/some huge event isn't really cool in a thread that's not specifically for that. 


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You do realize he didn't know her age, right?

(It seems like he did find out right at the end, but through the story it's pretty clear he did not--he didn't know exactly who she was, where she lived, who her family was; I'm assuming he found it out at some point during the "Ran temporarily revived him with magic and he was at the family home for a while when he woke up" sequence we didn't see)

 

Is the moment he knew she's 10 years old that important? I think not at all. On the contrary, I was hopping for that moment to be like Outaru recognizing he couldn't be in love of a 10 years old little girl. As a healthy man would properly do. But, do we have to believe now that the age is not important if you are truly in love? Sorry but I don't buy it. I don't care if it's cultural believe or not, or if in Japan this is seen with other eyes. It's simply not right, and the manga, which was absolutely fantastic until this chapter, gets a totally ruined one to me too.