And not to mention, with how Esdese acts with Tatsumi, it shows she IS capable of being considerate. In the chapter Tatsumi and Esdese get trapped on that island, when Tatsumi finds out about her tribe getting killed, he says something along the lines of "Getting her to change her thoughts is going to be difficult."
At the end of that arc, Tatsumi specifically realizes that there is no getting her to change.
And where in that is her being considerate? Plus any consideration she shows Tatsumi, who she has a crush on, doesn't count. And even at that, she sort of treats him like a toy, she grabbed him regardless of his feelings in the matter, remember, he had to escape her crush, she tried to force him to join them, to be who she wanted him to be.
Esdese is a soldier. Let's say America declares war on some country, and it results in thousands of deaths, do you say "Those fucking American soldiers, killing all those people"? No, you blame the higher ups who made the call. Everything Esdese does is done under orders from the Prime Minister, the people she tortures are, if I remember correctly, sent to her by the Prime Minister.
Esdese is simply playing on the wrong team.
You are wrong. She has tortured people for fun, and not specifically sent to her. Where does it say her job includes torture? When has she been sent anyone to torture? She has a full time job as a general. It's her fun hobby. Remember the scene where she advises the torturers on how to prolong boiling a bunch of people alive. Those tens of thousands of people she buried alive, she choose to do that. That person she spared to prolong conflict, so she could kill more people, her call too, why would the minister want her to create more wars for them?
Her respect for strength seems only to be that those who are strong enough to do something, may do it. She won't change her position because she sees someone elses strength, she doesn't seem to respect strength in that way. She wouldn't join the rebels because she likes her position, which allows her respect, mass killing, and torture, why would she give any of that up?
People dislike Seryuu a lot more because she had no chance of "Redemption". Her idea of evil and good were VERY clear-cut.
She has/had (we don't know for sure she's dead) at least as much of a chance of redemption as Esdese. Her ideas of justice, law and order, weren't that outrageous, and her dedication to those ideals commendable. If Seyruu could be forced to see the cause and effect, and injustice and cruelty of the system she is trying to protect, she would either find redemption, or break down completely, but either way she would no longer be a threat to the very ideals she promoted.
You DO realize the reason Esdese is so hooked on her idea of "Strength" is because her entire tribe was killed, right? So given the logic you're using, Esdese's actions are also a result of a "cracked" mind.
Your logic here is extremely flawed. The reason she values people being able to do what ever they can do (like the very definition of chaotic, she is so not a law & order type) has no bearing on anything. So it was because her tribe was killed, but also because of how her tribe lived, and because of what her father said about it all. So what?
Seruu's problem is that she is divorced from reality, and feels compelled in her mission of justice. She is obsessive and delusional (and possibly dead) The character is clearly redeemable, minds can heal, delusions can be dispelled.
But how do you redeem someone like Esdeses who chooses imposing pain and death on many people because she likes these things? She justifies it with her strength, but that is just a excuse and a means to the end of more pain and death. While her philosophy is flawed, like with any truly evil persons, her mind isn't "cracked". In fact, the blood she took, she survived it because her mind wasn't cracked but very strong, and didn't become cracked after either. Perhaps the blood tainted her more evil though, though clearly she was already evil before drinking it. Her loving of death and torture, probably helped its evil mental commands not drive her mad and even more proof of her being evil from the start.
Edited by truepurple, 08 July 2013 - 12:59 PM.
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i am guilty of that
