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[SilverAlex]

Is leez a quarter?

Im asking this because of the latest chapter. (for those who want to spoil themselves: Leez's divine affinity value was 2250, which is only what the "golden knight" adds, thus making her real divine affinity 0, the testers remarks that this happens on half and on some quarters)

My arguments for this tesis:

-Leez has superhuman strength, but we have been show how quarters are physically stronger than humans.

-She is very inept on magic. So far we haven't seen a quarter or a half doing "magic" correctly (expect for Ran, and we know that while he can do magic, he sucks at calculations, very much like Leez.) Its also possible that all quarters suck at calculations.

 

-Humans dont have enough vigor to use a transcendental.

-its said that quarters generally don't have enough vigor for doing transcendentals skills, but we have seen Teo doing one, also Leez did used almost all of the five trascendentals of  the "Golden Knight" at the end of season 1.

-Leez's father must had a crazy amount of vigor (on a level higher than a quarter's), as he was the owner of the Neutral bow. According to yuta, ran doesn't have enough vigor to use it. 

-Its hinted a lot that Leez has a huge appetite. While this is maybe the "hot-blooded shonen protagonist syndrom", an affliction discovered on Goku, it may also be a subtle foreshadowing of Leez's sura heritage. 

 

Counterarguments (Because arguing against my own theory is fun)

-Leez is stated to have 16 when the story begun, had she been a quarter, she would look way younger. 

 

-Almost all can be blamed/justified on the "Golden Knight" in one or another way

[Goobera]

According to Currygom (the author of the entire story) both of Leez parents are pureblood humans. If Leez has some Sura blood in her body, from some older ancestor, we cannot know at this point. But her parents are both purebloods, you can look it up in the Kubera Wiki:

• Wiki profile of Rao Leez
• Wiki profile of Anna Haias

You do not seem to know all the background about Quarters, there are plenty of ultra high ranked Quarter magicians, like Lutz Sairofe (Ran's ultra famous brother, a Creation Priest, Triple Brahma), Laila Hemawati (ranked AA, she even is the one supervising the magic exams), Ruche Seiran (ranked #1 on Willarv in Vayu magic) or Agwen Rajof (a Priest Candidate in Atera). Quarters neither suck at calculations nor are they bad at magic. Only Halfs are bad at magic, and have higher Transcendental Values instead... Do you think Leez is a Half, without any visible Half attributes? Is it not much more likely that the plot is now at a turning point, and the main parts of the story become revealed - one of them the fact that Leez is now turning into a new Goddess?

 

Also, the definition of "pureblood human" in this Webtoon is "someone with less than 25% of Sura blood" - so even a pureblood can have some Sura blood mixed in.

 

Maybe you should look up unclear parts in the Kubera Wiki first? This is why we do all the work after all ^^

[Yuzuru]

Rao was 28 when he died/disappeared and 22 when he fathered Kubera. here's his birth date

http://vatoto.com/read/_/139856/kubera_v2_ch11_by_the-company

for Kubera to be a Quarter he'd have to be a Half so he should be looking a fourth his age... I really don't want to imagine him becoming a father when he looks like 6^^

[SilverAlex]

@goobera: The only quarters that were in my head were Teo and Ran, completely forgot about all thos background chars xD But most importantly, I didint knew that a a "pureblood" human could have up to 25% of sura blood. 

@Yuzuru Leez's mon was a pedophile!!! =O 

Mmm I guess that clears it, but its still weird for her to have 0 divine affinity. Lets see what the history brings in the future xD

[svines85]

No, there's probably some other explanation to her divine affinity other than her being other than totally human. I think that would be contradictory to a large number of other things we already know about her from the story. 

[Mizura]

According to Currygom's blog, Leez is a pureblood human.

The end.

 

http://blog.naver.com/PostThumbnailView.nhn?blogId=currygom&logNo=10081062196&categoryNo=71&parentCategoryNo=

 

She also ages like a normal pureblood.

 

You Could have avoided putting a "spoiler" right in the title. :\

[nimbice]

The god Kubera himself was noted as having trouble controlling his strength when he was younger and hence the bracelet.  Now he's mastered it and no longer needs it.  The way Agni talks about him, all he originally had going for him worth mention was his monstrous strength and things like transcendentals are likely more of an afterthought primarily as a utility for him to use for convenience where physical strength isn't an optimal solution.  After all he's a god who is the very representation of physical strength, why would he use a fire transcendental any sooner than Agni might challenge him to an arm wrestling contest?  Well, actually that sounds like something he might do just being Agni but still...

 

Now Leez has the power of the name Kubera and seemingly as a consequence has inexplicably inhuman strength as the only feature resulting from it.  I find it extremely interesting that Leez's mom knew her name was special and also knew to send her away before the town was obliterated which was later found to be a zero casualty incident suggesting either the town never had people in it at all or that they somehow all left to some other place prior to the big boom, but now I'm getting off track.  

 

Kubera also noted that he glows with the same visual effects from head to toe that people usually get on a specific body part after they've reinforced it with a Kubera spell.  Leez also only ever uses Kubera from head to toe as if there was no other way to use it in the first place (if she ever used it any other way I missed it).  

 

We haven't been told entirely what the power of the name entails but there have been suggestions that the current Kubera won't be Kubera anymore once Leez is "done" suggesting that she becomes the new god (or goddess?) Kubera through the power of the name she has partially taken (but not completely as Kubera is still around as a god).  Kubera is also caught up in some ploy against his will and I would guess that giving away the power of the name to Leez is apart of that somehow.  It seems that this transfer of the power of the name is underway and with time I expect to see Kubera get weaker and Leez get stronger as she continues to assimilate more of the power of the name.  If the transference of the power of the name from God to Human is possible in this fashion then it stands to reason that the Gods are all just humans with the power of the names they were given and that any human could potentially usurp a god.  This might explain why all the Gods look completely human.

 

As for the divine affinity, the bracelet is known for storing power that can be used again later and others have used the bracelet before her.  I'm guessing any divine rating she is able to utilize as a result of the bracelet is due to any previous owners storing their own affinity in large quantity for later use.  Be that from Kubera himself or someone who used the bracelet since Kubera originally gave it away.  Since Kubera went out of his way to put the bracelet on Leez it stands to reason that she is going to eventually have so much strength that she (like Kubera once) won't have the ability to control it properly and will need the bracelet to limit herself instead of augment her ability as it does now.  I would bet that is actually already happening now and because the bracelet is holding her in check she hasn't noticed that her strength has been multiplying many times over since she put it on.  But this is largely speculation with a hint of wishful thinking on my part.  =)

 

This story remains one of the few that I've read through more than once as typically I don't find any stories interesting enough for a second read.  I've read it through four times now and I'll likely read it through several times over again.  If the book (or novel?) form of this ever makes it into English I want a copy.  It hasn't been publish in english yet has it?  HAS IT!?

[NomenHicInserto]

@nimbice That's quite detailed stuff you wrote there. xD But I agree with you on those points. It makes a lot of sense.

[Mizura]

Welcome nimbice! Nice first post!

 

Unfortunately no, there is no official English version. Even in Korea, only 3 volumes have been released so far (up to when Leez meets God Kubera for the first time). The first volumes have some extra content, but we won't be able to get them, bummer.

 

Yes, one of the main theories is that there's a Godhood transfer going on. That may be it in a gist, but there are still a number of suspicious circumstances:

• We know that God Kubera lost his name because he made a mistake in killing Ananta. The fact that he managed at all is highly suspicious because Ananta was supposedly the most powerful being in the Universe, and lo, we have Ananta showing up in Leez' dreams. Which shouldn't be possible, because we learned from the finite that Nastika don't have an afterlife.
• Also: we know from the finite that Ananta died long ago, before the events of the finite, so well over a century ago. At the start of the finite, Visnu arrived on Willarv with Kalavinka. And yet we know that the Garuda siblings were separated to "hide the Power of the Name." So, God Kubera lost his name over a century ago. Why is a "transfer" only starting now?
• Leez has 4.5 Sura armies after her (0.5 because the Asura clan only sent Hura), including 2 Nastika Kings. But we know that Gods are much weaker than Nastika, so a mere Godhood transfer should not be such a big deal, but here we are.
• And just what the heck is God Kubera planning anyway, pitting everyone against everyone? In the Water Channels, he's seen in an insight talking to someone, who warns him that his "opponent" already nows the outcome of this battle. Only the Primeval Gods have insight into what happens with Gods and Nastika, and Visnu himself showed up to Asha.
• Did I mention that Leez was born in N0, year of the Cataclysm? Obviously, these events are tied. Now, why would the name of one mere God be a big enough deal to cause -two- Primeval Gods to disappear? (three if, as some of us suspect, Kali had a hand in the death of Ananta)

So you see, we have the "Leez is becoming the next God Kubera" explanation dangling in front of us. But the scale of everything that happened and are still occuring don't match. Obviously, something else is up.

 

I'll add one more thing: on Carte, Rao Leez had a God-level item made just for him, but ultimately, Carte was obliterated. Asha saw both God Kubera and Visnu on Carte. I suspect that the events that occurred on Carte were no less in scale than what occurred on Willarv: war, with Rao Leez playing a big part. Unfortunately, the humans lost that war.

Edited by Mizura, 17 April 2013 - 06:01 AM.

[Goobera]

Yes, one of the main theories is that there's a Godhood transfer going on. That may be it in a gist, but there are still a number of suspicious circumstances:

• We know that God Kubera lost his name because he made a mistake in killing Ananta. The fact that he managed at all is highly suspicious because Ananta was supposedly the most powerful being in the Universe, and lo, we have Ananta showing up in Leez' dreams. Which shouldn't be possible, because we learned from the finite that Nastika don't have an afterlife.
• Also: we know from the finite that Ananta died long ago, before the events of the finite, so well over a century ago. At the start of the finite, Visnu arrived on Willarv with Kalavinka. And yet we know that the Garuda siblings were separated to "hide the Power of the Name." So, God Kubera lost his name over a century ago. Why is a "transfer" only starting now?

 

My current (foolish) speculation here is that Kubera used some underhanded "Power of Name" trick on Ananta, and was about to transfer his powers to himself, when Visnu stepped in and (maybe) transferred Ananta's "Power of Name" to the Garuda siblings?

• Leez has 4.5 Sura armies after her (0.5 because the Asura clan only sent Hura), including 2 Nastika Kings. But we know that Gods are much weaker than Nastika, so a mere Godhood transfer should not be such a big deal, but here we are.
• And just what the heck is God Kubera planning anyway, pitting everyone against everyone? In the Water Channels, he's seen in an insight talking to someone, who warns him that his "opponent" already nows the outcome of this battle. Only the Primeval Gods have insight into what happens with Gods and Nastika, and Visnu himself showed up to Asha.
• Did I mention that Leez was born in N0, year of the Cataclysm? Obviously, these events are tied. Now, why would the name of one mere God be a big enough deal to cause -two- Primeval Gods to disappear? (three if, as some of us suspect, Kali had a hand in the death of Ananta)

So you see, we have the "Leez is becoming the next God Kubera" explanation dangling in front of us. But the scale of everything that happened and are still occuring don't match. Obviously, something else is up.
 
I'll add one more thing: on Carte, Rao Leez had a God-level item made just for him, but ultimately, Carte was obliterated. Asha saw both God Kubera and Visnu on Carte. I suspect that the events that occurred on Carte were no less in scale than what occurred on Willarv: war, with Rao Leez playing a big part. Unfortunately, the humans lost that war.

 

I was recently really really getting more and more the feeling that "something bigger" is INDEED going on, and that God Kubera was gaining way more power than any other God EVER, and was maybe planning to go after Visnu's position Do we really know if the "Power of Name" game does NOT work for Primeval Gods as well (just with the rule that only the most powerful God can take over as Primeval God) ??
 
It would make sense that God Kubera became aware that Visnu can live past the beginning and end of the universe, while he himself will die. It would make sense for a power hungry God like Kubera to plot something way way bigger, and for Visnu to be "his opponent, who already knows the outcome" And THAT would explain why Visnu appears so villainous, but is not a real villain, because he is forced to (cruelly and uncontrollably) gamble to survive and stop God Kubera's usurpation scheme????

Edited by Goobera, 17 April 2013 - 12:25 PM.

[lorriesherbet]

My current (foolish) speculation here is that Kubera used some underhanded "Power of Name" trick on Ananta, and was about to transfer his powers to himself, when Visnu stepped in and (maybe) transferred Ananta's "Power of Name" to the Garuda siblings?

 

I was recently really really getting more and more the feeling that "something bigger" is INDEED going on, and that God Kubera was gaining way more power than any other God EVER, and was maybe planning to go after Visnu's position Do we really know if the "Power of Name" game does NOT work for Primeval Gods as well (just with the rule that only the most powerful God can take over as Primeval God) ??
 
It would make sense that God Kubera became aware that Visnu can live past the beginning and end of the universe, while he himself will die. It would make sense for a power hungry God like Kubera to plot something way way bigger, and for Visnu to be "his opponent, who already knows the outcome" And THAT would explain why Visnu appears so villainous, but is not a real villain, because he is forced to (cruelly and uncontrollably) gamble to survive and stop God Kubera's usurpation scheme????

 

O_O  That would explain so much.  It's BRILLIANT!

[TheCrowSword]

Dammit I promised myself not to post on this forum anymore, yet here I am. T_T

 

oh well, nevermind then was a stupid promise to begin with.

 

anyways 

 

0. this is apparently a tragedy of some sort where in the end someone will have to cry. In fact no one is evil or the villain of the story.

1. The unnamed god (Kubera) is out to kill Kubera, carrier of the power of the name (this being way different than the name agni (the human living by this name) or whatever, cause the actual power of the name is hidden within it.)

2. 1. was the original goal but the unnamed dude has somehow settled with not doing it anyway. Dundundun thus implying unnamed-nim is like some insecure teenager not really sure what to make of it all. We have even been hinted that The unnamed one stands at a crossroad several times throughout the story. AKA not really wanting to do this (controlling sura army to hunt down the power of the name), and in fact not really doing it either.

3. Kubra isn't allowed to live or die by her own will, but instead by the will of the unnamed god.

a) from this we can expect that (Kubera the god) is in fact the mysterious guy no one can really figure out.

speculation: (Kubera) in my opinion seriously sounded like someone just following the sura-killing trend in the world of gods, when he killed the most powerful creature (here applies the more grand plot, from the simple fact that Kali might have had a hand in such. Because she always sought to be the strongest one and could not accept that one of the primeval gods creations was in fact more powerful.) which seems to somehow fit well with the; all are unfortunate victims (except I can't really see how Kali is that much of a victim, I mean she might not have gotten her will? But really...)

 

(Kuberas) army:

1. Maruna: wants sibling (Kubera) will give

2. Gandharva: wants daughter

3. Snakes (snakes are snakes, but what she (the queen) really want is power)

4. Mostly support clans or what? (not sure about this one)

?; From this I can't really see the grand plot in Kuberas movement, although the relation Yuta and Lezz has, as well as Visnus interference, really help bring the grand plot into the picture. But from the sura army alone I can't really see it. (if this is true, it is still much to early to make credible or likely guess at what is in fact going to happen later on)

 

so maybe I should start working on my crazy theories...

 

1) Kubera (Leez), is in fact going to become a god, or godlike being.

(Kubera) either losses his power, loses his ability to reincarnate, at some point stops existing. (Optionally dies a tragic death, where we finally have been given the clues to what really happened when he killed the strongest being. Which he apparently did through some sort of cheating or the primeval gods except Kali simply didn't want to disrupt the balance)

Yuta probably becomes the King of chaos, and might end up with some strange rivalry situation with Kubera.

 

2) Visnu and Kali are in fact using Yuta and Leez for their battle?

this scenario really has a lot of possibilities, doesn't it?

example, Yuta is Kali's evil plan for obtaining the most power. Visnu hid the power of the name Kubera, and guided Yuta to Leez so that he could fix the results of this attempt from Kali (Insert even more crazy theory here).

 

 

3)...The real story line... where Currygom surprises us all at least partly, and we just go oh... it all makes sense now

 

Also Leez=pureblood human, the fact she has 0 divine affinity... I support the craziness in Currygom had this planned since giving her the bracelet, and did such in order to fit, either the power of the name, Leez being a god, or 3'rd possibility into the story. A hint to this is she is being given 3 items for a purpose. Ash trying to use Leez to take revenge, a revenge she is apparently able to achieve without Leez, but has chose to use Leez for. Probably to achieve a better result of some sort. Ash being given power has been predicted to do this.

Another hint is she has been seen fighting sura a lot in the future. (she might even have been given the sword of Re for the purpose of going to the sura realm. After all Yuta just happened to conveniently not needing that function of the sword anymore at quite an early point. After it had been told to us.)

 

 

blah, really sorry for my verry horrible English, been a while since I last used i,t and I'm not that good to start with. T_T

 

Also my reason for posting this is obviously I believe that I am wrong and I kinda need a second opinion on my ideas. And thirdly this is probably the wrong thread to post this, but whatever.  (we are going quite off-topic are we not )

 

Lastly sorry for being lazy and really posting all I wanted too, or really even taking my time writing the above. But in fact I am a very lazy person.  

[Fembot]

SilverAlex,

 

I've edited your title a bit to help rid it of spoilers (more specifically, the Test proctor assuming/mistaking Leez for a Quarter). Try to avoid spoiler titles before chapters are actually translated, please, because not everyone looks at/reads the RAW thread.