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[Tammy]

That the central guards are being TOO overshadowed?

[Sarnik]

Yeah...they're like fodder for the main characters.

I expected them to be alot better, being trained by the nobles and all that.

[mitunya]

Well, it's expected since they are hlaf-vamipres or hardly vampires, and unlike pureblood vampires are not that strong...

And main characters were improved by Frankenstein, so nothing strange in my ipinion...

[Sulin]

aye, they don't seem to be very good guards. But you have to keep in mind that they are meant to protect against humans who accidentally find their way onto the island. The nobles are supposed to be too well behaved to do things like enter forbidden areas.

[Zan]

The guards seem to be... there more for effect than anything else. It's not like they're hard to beat--I mean, Regis didn't seem to have any trouble beating them without killing them, and he hasn't even come of age yet.

And this is completely off-topic, but it's kind of amusing that this forum has one topic in it while it's one of the highest-ranked series on this site.

[Grumpy]

I think the fact that the guards are being so overshadowed makes the nobless look pretty crappy. They are nobless too, right?

and Re:Zan's off topic: I guess nobless doesn't need much discussion?

[Sulin]

I think the fact that the guards are being so overshadowed makes the nobless look pretty crappy. They are nobless too, right?

and Re:Zan's off topic: I guess nobless doesn't need much discussion?

I don't think the guards in the central order are purebloods, while all the other Nobless we've seen are.

[Zero Breaker]

....or are those guards even blood related to those 'Noblesses'? (is this correct plural?)
If there are 'purebloods' like Regis or Rael, there must be mud....not-pureblood...
Come to think about this, it's interesting how those 'impure bloods' are made. Are they the ones whose blood was taken by purebloods? or are they offspring between pureblood noble and some other species like human?

[babbo3d]

They where horrible

[TheCrowSword]

they must be Noobless since vampires need blood.... but probably like 1/6 or even less... otherwise how could they be.... like that xD

[strixflash]

I guess they are not pureblood. And if what shown is their true potential then I guess Union can easily defeat Nobles.
Cereberus is terms of power is equal to a Clan leader. Then the other forces of Union Leaders(or Elders you say) will be equal to them.
Hence the combined power of Union is sure to supress the power that of Nobles(Not counting Rai or Frankenstein's sadiastic side)

[Lowlightt]

I guess they are not pureblood. And if what shown is their true potential then I guess Union can easily defeat Nobles.
Cereberus is terms of power is equal to a Clan leader. Then the other forces of Union Leaders(or Elders you say) will be equal to them.
Hence the combined power of Union is sure to supress the power that of Nobles(Not counting Rai or Frankenstein's sadiastic side)

Nope thats not true. Cereberus was better than Regis who (is not a clan leader yet). Even Sera (who kicked Cereberus ass) was shown to not be a true Clan leader yet. (IE shes a clan leader but lacks self power rather than the power she obtains from her clan weapon) So I would say the clan leaders sit quite a bit higher up in the food chain. Don't forget clan leaders can set there and make the human opponets kneel and beg with mind powers (which is the big thing that scares Union)

[Trebor]

Nope thats not true. Cereberus was better than Regis who (is not a clan leader yet). Even Sera (who kicked Cereberus ass) was shown to not be a true Clan leader yet.

Nope. You're confusing things. Regis and Seira fought DA-5, not Cerberus. No one has fought Cerberus yet, so we don't really know their true power.

Honestly, the correct answer to this is that everyone is as powerful as "how powerful they need to be at the time that the author needs them to be."

Right after the Lukedonia invasion arc, Ludis goes out and owns an entire fleet of warships. The entire point of that was to showcase that, even though Ludis was ludicrously weak against Rai (barely even able to shield against overflow power), he was still able to destroy entire human fleets.

In the beginning, Frankenstein always kept saying, "Oh no, you are very strong, this might be problematic for me," and yet manages to utterly destroy his opponent.

The characters will always be strong enough to overcome their adversity... this is how Noblesse always has been.

[MGIBBS]

It seems a lot of you misunderstood. The term nobles is confusing but the nobles as a race are probably large in number we've just not met many of them. Within the noble race there are a few NOBLE families that rule over the rest these families attained this possition most likely by being stronger than the rest. The clan leaders are stronger than the rest of the nobles since they have the soul weapons which gives them the power of every previous clan leader that used the weapon. In regards to the central guards they are nobles but not from NOBLE families, against most modified humans and all ordinary humans they would most likely win hands down. Rai's mind control is like a hundred times stronger than any other noble since he is the NOBLESSE the strongest of the noble race. Frakenstein's power was on par with the clan leaders 800+ years previous but is still formidable. The reason he acts weak is that most of the time he holds back due to his oath with Rai to seal his powers which he sticks to out of devotion to Rai. The main reason though is probably a result of his sadistic personality playing with his prey.

Vampires happen when nobles ingest blood to control a person/spieces who while being controlled ingest blood of someone else which infects them and causes them to hunt blood which is a vampire. Rai did do this with with the first modified human that moved in so he could beat the enemy in the first season by unlocking his potential. So if that guy started drinking blood it might start a problem or not since Rai reliquished control pretty quickly.

[Ivy]

Vampires happen when nobles ingest blood to control a person/spieces who while being controlled ingest blood of someone else which infects them and causes them to hunt blood which is a vampire. Rai did do this with with the first modified human that moved in so he could beat the enemy in the first season by unlocking his potential. So if that guy started drinking blood it might start a problem or not since Rai reliquished control pretty quickly.

By "first human modified" you mean M-21, right? Rai didn't drank his blood, he just awoke his powers, because Rai has the power to control blood.
The one who drank the blood of a human was M-24, the deceased partner of M-21. And yes, the human bitten by M-24 became a vampire and started drinking blood. The vampire wouldn't attack other persons because M-21 and M-24 kept him in line. Instead, he tried to survive with the blood stored in hospitals.

Edited by Ivy, 17 January 2012 - 11:54 PM.

[MGIBBS]

By "first human modified" you mean M-21, right? Rai didn't drank his blood, he just awoke his powers, because Rai has the power to control blood.
The one who drank the blood of a human was M-24, the deceased partner of M-21. And yes, the human bitten by M-24 became a vampire and started drinking blood. The vampire wouldn't attack other persons because M-21 and M-24 kept him in line. Instead, he tried to survive with the blood stored in hospitals.

If you look at chapter 89 Rai walks up to M-21 wipes his thumb on m-21's cheek where there is a streak of blood then wipes that same thumb against his lower lip. Rai had to do that to awaken M-21's power. Though you don't see the blood on rai I can see no other reason for that action other than absorbing M-21's blood. Since, M-21 didn't become infected maybe its because Rai didn't actually bite him. Maybe its the biting process that infects, otherwise all those blood donors might have become infected.

[FionaSuus]

Didn't Frankenstein say that noblesse don't bite people because they would then turn in vampires. As for M-21 perhaps he leveled up because of Rai powers over blood. No info yet how Rai does it but I think it came from that.

[666Shinigami666]

why would the nobles even need guards
arent they just there as decoration

[Dragrath]

why would the nobles even need guards
arent they just there as decoration

so in other words they are basically just servants for the nobles. It doesn't matter if they can take out a union squad, it just matters they can bring the nobles their "morning tea" so to speak, and they can act like guards and if necessary, by slowing down an enemy for a few minutes so the nearest noble can take care of the situation...(poor little guys)