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Slightly pointless topic about the kids


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Ok... So I really love noblesse. I really do. But there are some things that I slightly am uncomfortable with. Well it doesn't bother me to the point of abandoning the series altogether or anything, but as you can see from the title, it's about the freakin' kids.

 

So yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now that they've been kidnap fodder for a long time. (lololol) But anyway, my issue isn't really so much of the kidnapping as much as how the kids constantly have to be kept in the dark.

 

On one hand, one can argue that it's reasonable because they're trying to protect the children's innocence, but to me, in a sense, it's just something on a bigger scale. I see symbolically that the kids are representative of general humanity, the general population if you will. And constantly, they have to be kept in the dark about absolutely everything, and yet a lot of times, they get involved in danger.

 

Why does humanity as a whole have to be kept in the dark about this if it's affecting them in a big way? It's a pretty constant theme in a lot of things, like general normal people can't know what's out there even though it's happening right there. Usually it's tied to government corruption or something, but obviously that's not happening here, haha. (Unless you count Frankenstein as the government, loloolol!!)

 

Putting aside themes and humanity, is it really so wrong for the kids to know just what's been going on and what's happening to their friends? Is ignorance really bliss?

 

I'm not trying to say that generally it's wrong to keep some knowledge of what they don't need to know from them. Innocence is a beautiful thing and it's normal to want to have it protected, but if they really do want to keep their memories, then isn't it ok to just let them? I mean, they're kids, but they have their own choices to deal with, and they're individuals with decisions, not to mention that this knowledge is key in knowing just what the heck is going on around them.

 

I mean as a teen, even as a child growing up, you look to adults as role models to help you understand what's happening, what's going on in the world, but we also have minds and decisions on whether or not to act on the advices given.

 

Maybe they wouldn't be able to defend themselves, but at least they can make themselves less of a target knowing what they're dealing with, you know?

 

I dunno, Frankenstein and the others deciding that it's best for the children to just forget everything related to Rai's background didn't really bode that well with me. I don't like the fact that they're sheilding their eyes and locking them up in a bubble so to speak.

 

The KSA doesn't exactly count to me as a part of general humanity since they're more involved in the government and how they stand in society is more secret agent/military based, so it's not really general population. Besides that they're modified humans too, so yeah, haha.

 

On an unrelated note, I really like the other characters too. I like the RK-5, Rai, Frankenstein, the KSA and the nobles, but I'm sort of attached to the kids though. I mean I can relate to them because they're normal kids and I think it's cool that all this stuff is happening and they somehow get involved, but since they've been more or less tossed out to the side... I dunno, I just think that having the kids give it a certain element that just isn't the same when they're not involved. I always look forward to their appearances, however little it is.

 

I dunno, maybe I'm making something out of nothing? I just really wanted to let it out, haha. Aside from that, I do look forward to more and hope that somehow these kids will get involved more. (Most likely as kidnap fodder again, lololol.)



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my guess is ethier 1 or more of the kids ain't human or have some sort of hax level ability

 

i'm voting for the red head to be a dorment werewolf or nobel or both



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Well kids are not kind of canon fodder or objects to kidnap *lol* There is a reason to be in the series, Rai lived long time in his castle alone, it's the reason that Frankenstein made this school and I believe the kids will affect the power of Rai, so that he won't lose his lıve power if he fight or can somehow regenerate it.

 

They left in dark, yeah but if they knew, they would try to help them and it would f**k up the manga, there will be time to make them fighters or so but they are now useless in a fight and its good so. I hate the difference in power, if you add up the trio and 2 Nobles (one of them is a f***ing clan leader) = RK5 they wouldn't have any chance against Frankie, and Frankenstein has no real chance of winning against Rai.

 

I hope that the author chance the balance a little bit, so at least Seria will "a powerful clan leader" that can fight Elders evenly. The same for others, they won't be so powerful surely, but a little bit.

 

We all know Rai has a weakness, he loses life power when he fights but, I don't think that he would die. (How would the series go? He will reborn as kid? :) )

But he is too strong and when he wasn't it would be worse.

 

So for me, some balancing is good but kids (even if their parts are mostly boring) are okay.


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But anyway, my issue isn't really so much of the kidnapping as much as how the kids constantly have to be kept in the dark.

 

in a sense, it's just something on a bigger scale. I see symbolically that the kids are representative of general humanity, the general population if you will. And constantly, they have to be kept in the dark about absolutely everything, and yet a lot of times, they get involved in danger.

 

Is ignorance really bliss?

 

 

On an unrelated note, I really like the other characters too. I like the RK-5, Rai, Frankenstein, the KSA and the nobles, but I'm sort of attached to the kids though.

Oh my, what a great theory, I like it. :D 

 

Puts me in mind of Orwell's 1984 or Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451...........very, very nice. Though yeah, I guess your "something out of nothing" thought might apply as well.  XD

 

Still though, never hurts to look, symbolism and conspiracies really can sneak up on you when you least expect them. 

 

And yeah, agreed, the kids are awesome characters........... potential romance, drama and plenty of hilarious comedy action all rolled up in one group. 


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i think the one that's good at fighting will become an altered human or w/e and become some kind of asset, but it'll be against his will and he'll find out about the crew in a weird way

 

somewhere down the line at least, that's always been their relevance in the back of my head


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I quite agree with the OP, I was originally thinking they'd get genetically modified and take part in this... but they've totally fallen off the radar and are now basically side-characters.

 

I also feel that 'ignorance is bliss' is an ignorant statement, and a pessimistic one. I'm not saying that immediately announcing any problem to everyone is going to make everything good right away, but at the same time, the inverse, keeping anything that isn't convenient locked up, sets a terrible precedent and IMO shows a lack of trust to those who are being kept ignorant.

 

P.S. I'm making more of a generalized statement rather than speaking directly of Noblesse here. I kinda get why they're kept ignorant, but at the same time I still fully believe it shouldn't be so.


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I'm just annoyed because they totally built a few of them up for a while (like the little hacker bro and the nutsoid martial artist) and then...

 

Nothing.

 

It's like they just couldn't figure out a way to power them up to a decent level. I mean, i know the clan leaders and the leaders of the organization thing are super boss and all but... i'm a little annoyed. the kids were good characters. better than any of these stupid clan leaders anyways. and they are just throwing them in the trash. ah, well....



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I'm just annoyed because they totally built a few of them up for a while (like the little hacker bro and the nutsoid martial artist) and then...

 

Nothing.

 

It's like they just couldn't figure out a way to power them up to a decent level. I mean, i know the clan leaders and the leaders of the organization thing are super boss and all but... i'm a little annoyed. the kids were good characters. better than any of these stupid clan leaders anyways. and they are just throwing them in the trash. ah, well....

But isn't that pretty much the entire purpose of their characters in the story? to act as a "counter" to all the super-powered nobles and our "enhanced" human characters............their weak little friends/charges that  they can look at as "a purpose" to why they struggle and what (partly) they're trying so hard to defend?

 

At least that's the interpretation I've always taken from the whole thing, "powering them up" would defeat that underlying theme, and, as was said when the Korean agency was attempting to recruit the two, would be the absolute last thing the whole Rei/Frankenstien camp would want for them.  


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I completly agree and second what svines said... While I am sad that the children aren't getting spotlight, I think powering them would defeat one of the major themes in Noblesse i.e. an ordinary life...

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I completly agree and second what svines said... While I am sad that the children aren't getting spotlight, I think powering them would defeat one of the major themes in Noblesse i.e. an ordinary life...

Well, I see that theme and moral- but we all read Noblesse for badassery + bishies, not for a normal life.


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Well, I see that theme and moral- but we all read Noblesse for badassery + bishies, not for a normal life.

mmmm............well, I really do know what you mean, but yeah, it just seems to me that would defeat the whole, Rai is the "protector of the weak,  and the  judge, jury and executioner of anybody who messes with them" theme that we've really had from the beginning.

 

I mean, to have that theme you just gotta have some "weak" type characters..........and our four friends kinda fill that role as far as the "face" of the "normal" human race.........."those who grew up in the light" is how they've been characterized in earlier chapters.

 

But yeah, I like the badassery too, but it's not like we've got a shortage of those type of characters, so I'm pretty content  with Rai, Frankenstein and all the potential assorted Nobles jumping in...............besides, the kids are so damn funny, and Shin Woo would be a terror with anymore power as big as a goof up as he is :D


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From a military pov, civilians are "kept in the dark" to prevent them from "leaking" information to the enemy. If every civilian knew "what was going on" then the enemy could just kidnap one of them and torture them to gain information.

 

When the kids were kidnapped, their kidnappers did not try to extract information from them because they were ignorant. If Jake, for example, had thought that the kids knew anything about Frankenstein, he would have done horrible things to them to find out what they knew. Since it was obvious that the kids were ignorant, he only toyed with them for fun.

 

In kidnapping situations, ignorant people have a better chance at survival, or of at least a quick painless death.