Shitsurakuen

I get what the author was going for, so I'm not as mad about this ending as most people. However, they weren't talented enough to do it in a satisfying way, which left most things feeling rushed and unresolved.

It was alright.

Holy shit this is exactly everything I hate about manga philosophy. If your friends are being tortured and sexually assaulted it's time to fucking slit throats, not dick around with virtual reality fighting or whatever. All this bullshit forgiveness crap in the last few chapters is unbearable; if Sora and co. had handled this in a reasonable manner most of these dudes shouldn't even be alive to cry crocodile tears.

This is officially one of the most confusing mangas I have ever read.

With that said, given the utterly demented amount of symbolism, it's prime material for mad interpretation wankery. And since the English title is "Paradise Lost", we can probably start with Sora as Satan and El as God...

I remember reading this way too long ago, probably on Onemanga... but it seems it wasn't complete then, either that or I quit somewhere close to the end. xD So it was interesting, to finally finish this and also the whole re-read. However, it leaves me with mixed feelings... not sure if the good points pass the bad ones or vica versa. And that's kinda... perplexing. Perhaps I'll know better if I ponder about it for a few days. ^^;

Anyway, the art attracted me to Shitsurakuen and when I felt like giving it up, the art kept me going. So yes, pretty (albeit ecchi-inspired balloon-boobs galore is bleh), pretty art. <3

this manga had so much potential until the part it started going "noT alL MEN!@ NOT ALLemn!! it snOT OUR faulT FOR COnforming 2 MALE CHAUVINISmMM!!!"

i liked how the "evil" characters were humanized, but i didn't like how suddenly all the bad they did was forgotten by the narrative.

a man who 'broke' dozens of girls suddenly forgiven!!! what happen to the 'broken girls'??? they dont matter because look!!!! he's crying!!! woah!!! FORGIVE HIM!!!

the guy who used and abused the girl from the beginning!! crying!! reading paradise!! let's forget the fact he's been abusing and using girls from way before the narrative begins!!!!!!!!

a guy who whipped a girl for so long whose actions were forgiven by that girl because she gained sora from it!! let's forget about the pain and complacency in a abusive system for years!!!!

lmao this manga has some fucking issues. as much as i love morally ambiguous characters, when the narrative has some goddamn amnesia about the magnitude of their shittiness it becomes a fucking huge turn off. still read it to the end and enjoyed the marriage... please and thank you for a nugget of goodness. 

I'm only halfway through chapter 6 right now but ... I'm already sick of some parts of this.

We've got a gullible main character, the guy with the eyepatch seems to be deceiving her (I'm having 'some' doubts Nevermind), and that oashi is just ... ugh. so dumb.

"I want to be the same as the others." "I want to be abused." "etc etc etc"

I don't quite understand why everyone calls this a "shitty manga". Is it because the ending is unrealistic? Then why do you think, did the author continiously call those paradises the characters wanted to create Utopia? Do you even know what "utopia" means? There may even be a political interpretation if you think about it good enough:

I think this was excellently done and I loved the ending. This manga seems to be about female empowerment. By Sora taking on a more masculine role, it says that women can only be powerful if they are male esque (not unlike Mulan, if anyone here likes Disney). Towards the end, all of that changes. Come chapter 23, everyone is on equal footing. The men have reached a state of androgyny by revealing their point of view. The women, by giving their blessing, enter the state of androgynous power as well. I'm not a huge fan of men being the enemy, but I guess someone needs to be the bad guy, no? All in all, I really liked it. Especially the ending. I'm a sucker for endings.

Edit: Actually, it took a long time, but the end does sort of change your opinions of all the characters. It's really hard to get to that point though.

Just wondering about the ending chapters:

Spoiler

Anyone wondered why at the end, the girl that posed as IX never showed herself in the story? Who was she? Why did she had a great weapon? Was she the last person with symbol?

Just wondering about the ending chapters:

Ending left a bad taste in my mouth.

Through this entire story I had serious doubts as to whether Sora was really a girl.  Even after finishing it I can't tell.......

All that cruely; all that horror; I can't deal with it. I stopped reading after finding out the "best friend" had maimed the main character in a flashback, and that the "villains" were supposedly "not villains" despite their cruel behaviors.

Adding "psychological" and "horror" tags.