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The discussion of whether Ghengis Khan could be considered a hero is an interesting one.

 

If we look at ancient "heroes"--say, Odysseus, or Gilgamesh, to pick two at random that illustrate what I want to say--what makes them heroic characters is simply that they demonstrate great feats of prowess and embark on grand quests. They certainly aren't very nice people.

 

However, if you want an egalitarian society, you have to invest some social capital to counter the idea that Might Makes Right. And so, where we once exemplified a hero as "The Strong, Fearless, Virile Man" (so long as they were our men, not our enemys'), nowadays we've changed that now more to something like "The Strong, Courageous, and Noble Person".

 

So Ghengis Khan wouldn't pass muster for a hero now. But he would have been then... at least, if you were on his side.

Actually when you consider Ancient Greeks ideals, then Odysseus COULD be regarded as a hero even in today's society. What's more, comparing him to Gilgamesh or what's worse to Genghis Khan (who is an actual person) is big misunderstanding on your part. Nevertheless considering Genghis Khan as someone different than "hero of his nation" which doesn't have anything in common with the current meaning of "hero" is typical nonsensical history presented in manga.

The discussion of whether Ghengis Khan could be considered a hero is an interesting one.

If we look at ancient "heroes"--say, Odysseus, or Gilgamesh, to pick two at random that illustrate what I want to say--what makes them heroic characters is simply that they demonstrate great feats of prowess and embark on grand quests. They certainly aren't very nice people.

However, if you want an egalitarian society, you have to invest some social capital to counter the idea that Might Makes Right. And so, where we once exemplified a hero as "The Strong, Fearless, Virile Man" (so long as they were our men, not our enemys'), nowadays we've changed that now more to something like "The Strong, Courageous, and Noble Person".

So Ghengis Khan wouldn't pass muster for a hero now. But he would have been then... at least, if you were on his side.

What the..? Seems like the 48th chapter is the final chapter. Kinda weird that it ended so abruptly.

He killed every man that didn't join him and raped every woman. He raped so many women that something like 25-75% (cant remember #)of all Mongolian's can trace their dna back to him. Yep, he sounds like hero material...

Well atleast he knew what he liked 

The idea is the way to what? Unify the people against a corrupt government (I assume you believe in that at least)? Fight for freedom and equality before the law? Or just to get more land so there are more women to rape. 

 

The ends may justify the means, but that still requires the right ends, even if you are a moral relativist. 

 

If you still don't understand, let me try a simpler example. You kill someone to protect 50 other people. Perhaps justifiable, and often what people who are labeled heroes do. Kill someone to rape his family and steal his house? Urhhh. 

Actually, think of this much like Kingdom, which takes a lot of "liberties" to change character personalities to make them more heroic or "honest" than history perceives them. But I do know this, there's a reason why centuries later, asians have their look. And it was because that man had no qualms about who he wished to... well... "fuck".

hmm... I understand the rape but the 'kill everyone who stands in his way' is basically what every hero in those timelines did... sorry I don't believe in this 'justice' that everyone keeps flocking into like it even exists.

The idea is the way to what? Unify the people against a corrupt government (I assume you believe in that at least)? Fight for freedom and equality before the law? Or just to get more land so there are more women to rape. 

The ends may justify the means, but that still requires the right ends, even if you are a moral relativist. 

If you still don't understand, let me try a simpler example. You kill someone to protect 50 other people. Perhaps justifiable, and often what people who are labeled heroes do. Kill someone to rape his family and steal his house? Urhhh. 

He killed every man that didn't join him and raped every woman. He raped so many women that something like 25-75% (cant remember #)of all Mongolian's can trace their dna back to him. Yep, he sounds like hero material...

hmm... I understand the rape but the 'kill everyone who stands in his way' is basically what every hero in those timelines did... sorry I don't believe in this 'justice' that everyone keeps flocking into like it even exists.

why no?

As soon as they placed Genghis Khan, and Hero in the same sentence... I said "no".

Well, he is a hero, as one of hero traits is capable to do something that common man couldn't. United Mongolian and other northern nomads under single banner and conquered vast amount of lands. 

As soon as they placed Genghis Khan, and Hero in the same sentence... I said "no".

why no?

In the cover ...Hitsugaya? Follow.

As soon as they placed Genghis Khan, and Hero in the same sentence... I said "no".