Freezing Pair Love Stories

Again, sorry for the late reply.
 

Anyway, you guys seem under the impression that the Pandoras affected by Kazuya's ability 'lust' for him. Well, I don't believe that. If the experience leaves a sensation comparable to physical orgasm or something along those lines, it's one thing, and this is what it looks like to me.

If it were to influence the Pandoras on an EMOTIONAL level (and I don't mean a - completely understandable I might add - response, but what you guys have been saying till now, that is, them throwing themselves at Kazuya's feet with no regards for their partners) then it would be complete bullshit. Not that there's none in Freezing, but as far as I can tell, whatever Kazuya does to the Pandoras is not mind-bending NTR hentai magic. Again, I use Elizabeth and Arnett as examples. Both felt like someone had just done 'that' to their souls, but when that ended, they didn't jump Kazuya and started fawning over him - on the contrary, they were very angry at being 'felt' at such a deep, intimate level by someone who may at best be a friend, but certainly not their special person. 

This is why I can enjoy this spinoff. If future chapters of Freezing prove otherwise then I may change my mind, but imho Kazuya's powers doesn't turn him into an irresistible chick magnet. If anything, it's Gengo who's sought after by a few ladies at once even though he has no special powers and is old enough to be a gramps.

Also no, you weren't rude, and I wasn't offended. It's just that I tend not to get too riled up over mangas these days (I used to, and it's not something I remember fondly).

Sorry for the supppeerrrrrr late reply ^^;

 

I just looked here again recently and saw this and wanted to add my own bit though I don't know if you'll see it but that's okay.

 

All I'm gonna say is 'wanting to give everything' to someone and feeling like 'your heart is stolen' or 'never have felt this good before' aren't purely physical. they are definitley emotional.

 

I still thnk the entire thing has sadly disvalued PLS a lot ;_;

Nooooo the dreaded END
Well at least it ended on a high note, that was a great chapter with a great pair.

Roxanne still the best~ <3

Thanks to everyone involved in giving us leechers this mang0.

*Looking at updates*
*See's "[END]"*

It's done?! I still want to see Chiffon's story. :/
What a tease. 

Actually we've all already said out bit. I shouldn't drag this out or anything so forget about it.

It's no problem I mean I only responded to your post like really late anyway, I wasn't even expecting a reply or anything, so nothing to be sorry for.

 

Also I'm not trying to insult you, sorry, I don't think you're a simpleton and I'm not saying you're one, I just really don't understand what you're saying. I don't get how you like PLS when its canon that all the Pandora in PLS lust after Kazuya harder than they lust after their own partners and would do anything Kazuya asks them too. Kazuya makes them 'feel' better than their own partners ever do.

 

I mean I'd not be happy if my girlfriend just stayed with me because the guy she really wanted to date was already taken, like with Kazuya and Satellizer, that still means my girlfriend actually likes the other guy more if she's just staying with me because the other guy's taken.

 

So sorry if it seemed like I was being rude, I was just saying that I don't understand how you still like PLS, I mean I really liked it too, but that's because I thought the relationships in it were equally important to the boys and girls. But no hard feelings and nothing to worry about, okay? Sorry if I seemed rude.

Again, sorry for the late reply.
 

Anyway, you guys seem under the impression that the Pandoras affected by Kazuya's ability 'lust' for him. Well, I don't believe that. If the experience leaves a sensation comparable to physical orgasm or something along those lines, it's one thing, and this is what it looks like to me.

If it were to influence the Pandoras on an EMOTIONAL level (and I don't mean a - completely understandable I might add - response, but what you guys have been saying till now, that is, them throwing themselves at Kazuya's feet with no regards for their partners) then it would be complete bullshit. Not that there's none in Freezing, but as far as I can tell, whatever Kazuya does to the Pandoras is not mind-bending NTR hentai magic. Again, I use Elizabeth and Arnett as examples. Both felt like someone had just done 'that' to their souls, but when that ended, they didn't jump Kazuya and started fawning over him - on the contrary, they were very angry at being 'felt' at such a deep, intimate level by someone who may at best be a friend, but certainly not their special person. 

This is why I can enjoy this spinoff. If future chapters of Freezing prove otherwise then I may change my mind, but imho Kazuya's powers doesn't turn him into an irresistible chick magnet. If anything, it's Gengo who's sought after by a few ladies at once even though he has no special powers and is old enough to be a gramps.

Also no, you weren't rude, and I wasn't offended. It's just that I tend not to get too riled up over mangas these days (I used to, and it's not something I remember fondly).

It's no problem I mean I only responded to your post like really late anyway, I wasn't even expecting a reply or anything, so nothing to be sorry for.

 

Also I'm not trying to insult you, sorry, I don't think you're a simpleton and I'm not saying you're one, I just really don't understand what you're saying. I don't get how you like PLS when its canon that all the Pandora in PLS lust after Kazuya harder than they lust after their own partners and would do anything Kazuya asks them too. Kazuya makes them 'feel' better than their own partners ever do.

 

I mean I'd not be happy if my girlfriend just stayed with me because the guy she really wanted to date was already taken, like with Kazuya and Satellizer, that still means my girlfriend actually likes the other guy more if she's just staying with me because the other guy's taken.

 

So sorry if it seemed like I was being rude, I was just saying that I don't understand how you still like PLS, I mean I really liked it too, but that's because I thought the relationships in it were equally important to the boys and girls. But no hard feelings and nothing to worry about, okay? Sorry if I seemed rude.

Hmm, I've yet to see an example of them 'lusting' for Kazuya.  Rana, Satella, maybe, but the others?  Ok, maybe Hiragi, but she's not been seen for a very long time.

 

To me, as much is being read into it on that side as is on the flip side.  Yes, he can control them, yes, he can boost their power.

 

The logic your putting forth is like, I have the power to kidnap your wife, and yet I don't.  She remains with you even if I'm being 'nice' to her.

 

I don't see the issue. It'd be different if the limiter's in question were abusive and worthless, but they are not.  We've seen their characters develop to a large degree since they were introduced.

 

KazuyaXSatellaXRanaXKaho

I notice this just now, so sorry for the late reply.

Well, I guess I'm a simpleton and don't think too much about some asian cartoons, but yes, I read this spinoff because it's cute and fluffy and elicits a good laugh here and there, while the original manga is far darker and more serious (or at least tries to be). Also, I may be wrong here, but I don't understand why would the Pandoras go so far as to abandon their partners for Kazuya. He has Satella, and she's the one he loves. That he can actually control other Pandoras and, well, 'feel' them, doesn't mean they're going to go kiss his feet. If such a thing happened, that would be worse than a badly written NTR hentai.

 

It's no problem I mean I only responded to your post like really late anyway, I wasn't even expecting a reply or anything, so nothing to be sorry for.

 

Also I'm not trying to insult you, sorry, I don't think you're a simpleton and I'm not saying you're one, I just really don't understand what you're saying. I don't get how you like PLS when its canon that all the Pandora in PLS lust after Kazuya harder than they lust after their own partners and would do anything Kazuya asks them too. Kazuya makes them 'feel' better than their own partners ever do.

 

I mean I'd not be happy if my girlfriend just stayed with me because the guy she really wanted to date was already taken, like with Kazuya and Satellizer, that still means my girlfriend actually likes the other guy more if she's just staying with me because the other guy's taken.

 

So sorry if it seemed like I was being rude, I was just saying that I don't understand how you still like PLS, I mean I really liked it too, but that's because I thought the relationships in it were equally important to the boys and girls. But no hard feelings and nothing to worry about, okay? Sorry if I seemed rude.

Yeah pihip, I don't understand it, you said you read it for cuteness and stuff, and me too that's why I like it, but its obviously not cute if I know they don't actually care about each other at all cause they'd all be happy to throw their Limiter partners under a bus for Kazuya.

 

Also I agree Edea cause its really depressing that all the Pandora now only have loving scenes with Kazuya and never their own partners, makes all of Pairs one big sick joke.

 

I notice this just now, so sorry for the late reply.

Well, I guess I'm a simpleton and don't think too much about some asian cartoons, but yes, I read this spinoff because it's cute and fluffy and elicits a good laugh here and there, while the original manga is far darker and more serious (or at least tries to be). Also, I may be wrong here, but I don't understand why would the Pandoras go so far as to abandon their partners for Kazuya. He has Satella, and she's the one he loves. That he can actually control other Pandoras and, well, 'feel' them, doesn't mean they're going to go kiss his feet. If such a thing happened, that would be worse than a badly written NTR hentai.

Yeah pihip, I don't understand it, you said you read it for cuteness and stuff, and me too that's why I like it, but its obviously not cute if I know they don't actually care about each other at all cause they'd all be happy to throw their Limiter partners under a bus for Kazuya.

 

Also I agree Edea cause its really depressing that all the Pandora now only have loving scenes with Kazuya and never their own partners, makes all of Pairs one big sick joke.

The whole 'all your Pandoras are belong to Kazuya' crap is exactly that - crap. Yes, he can boost them and control them, but is it something that include mutual trust? Hell no. Elizabeth went so far as to compare the experience to rape, so go figure how happy the Pandoras are with this new development. That, and they've been with their Limiters far longer than Satella and Kazuya have been together.

I read this spinoff for the fluff and cuteness, the only pair that made me cringe a bit was the Holly/Louis one because we all know how that went.

 

He definitely does more than just 'boost and control' them considering Arnett and Elizabeth were busy fantasizing about giving everything, including themselves, to him and Ticy collapsed just from imagining what being his slave would be like (whilst the boy she's been with for years and just a short while ago made clear he'd be willing to die and get raped for her stood just nearby I might add).

 

Also I don't quite get why the time matters, in the story I mean, in the real world, sure, a relationship is made strong by interacting over time but in Freezing we've just seen that Arnett feels better, more intimate and close to Kazuya (someone she barely knows) in seconds then she's ever felt with the years she's had with Morrison. Freezing just seems to be saying that emotional relationships don't matter much to Pandora unless its with Kazuya.

 

For what its worth I agree with you about the Holly/Louis thing 100%, seriously made me cringe too.

 

And I also like the fluff and the cuteness, I like it tons, but at the same time how am I meant to enjoy reading about Ticy and Abel when I now know, from the main manga, that Ticy would dump Abel's dead body in a ditch if Kazuya ordered her too and she'd feel great the entire time she did it? Or how am I supposed to enjoy the cuteness of Arnett and Morrison when I know Arnett's most intimate and happy moments are all with Kazuya and not with Morrison?

 

Like I said this NTR twist would be bad on its own, but it irks me cause it ruins any ability to enjoy this mini-series.

I read this spinoff for the fluff and cuteness, the only pair that made me cringe a bit was the Holly/Louis one because we all know how that went.

It worked out in the end whatchu talkin bout

I think a lot of fans of Pair Love Stories would like to know 'what's the point' in light of the recent developments of the main manga. Me and my friends certainly do. I read Arnett/Morrison's chapter because I like them being in a relationship. Now that the main manga makes it that all Pandora are Kazuya's, what exactly am I meant to do?

 

Still waiting to an answer for that really, seems nobody has one though.

The whole 'all your Pandoras are belong to Kazuya' crap is exactly that - crap. Yes, he can boost them and control them, but is it something that include mutual trust? Hell no. Elizabeth went so far as to compare the experience to rape, so go figure how happy the Pandoras are with this new development. That, and they've been with their Limiters far longer than Satella and Kazuya have been together.

I read this spinoff for the fluff and cuteness, the only pair that made me cringe a bit was the Holly/Louis one because we all know how that went.

I think a lot of fans of Pair Love Stories would like to know 'what's the point' in light of the recent developments of the main manga. Me and my friends certainly do. I read Arnett/Morrison's chapter because I like them being in a relationship. Now that the main manga makes it that all Pandora are Kazuya's, what exactly am I meant to do?

 

Still waiting to an answer for that really, seems nobody has one though.

@Edea: You put it a lot better than I did but basically I feel the same way about a lot of it. Its just so frustrating, what was the point of this series if in the main manga everyone's just going to fall in love with Kazuya? If the Limiters are so irrelevant to their partners why bother having a Love Stories Side Story? It really makes me sad.

Edea, All other things aside, I don't believe LDY OR Kazuya has rendered any of this meaningless.

 

Um...why not? I mean its fine that you say so, but where's your proof? Is Arnett happy to kill Morrison for Kazuya? Because as long as she is, and as long as the manga's telling me the only important relationships are Kazuya and the Pandora, how is the character development in this side story not meaningless?

 

As for the whole 'Louis' thing, not really comparable circumstances at all, the problem here is the author's decision to just say 'poof' Pandora all love Kazuya more than anyone else in their lives, even if they've never talked to him once. That's what's the problem.

 

Personally I'm not to happy that they all just 'got over it' without Morrison or André even getting to talk. I don't care if Arnett and Elizabeth are okay with Kazuya I care about whether or not they actually care about Morrison or André. Like I said this isn't about Kazuya, he's got way more than enough love already, this is about if every single Limiter now means less to their Pandora partner than Kazuya does, this is about whether every single chapter in Pair Love Stories is a farce I shouldn't have wasted my time enjoying because the couples would all break up for Kazuya anyway.

 

I don't care about Kazuya 'limiting' his powers to let them be together. Would you like it if the only reason your spouse stays with you is because some stranger lets them? Of course not. Pair Love Stories means nothing unless the relationships we read inside them actually exist, and they don't exist if Arnett would shrug Morrison off for Kazuya.

 

Emotions aren't stuff which should just exist without any sort of interaction. Talking about this is actually really bumming out man, honestly, what is a fan of Pair Love Stories now meant to do? I don't know.

Edea, All other things aside, I don't believe LDY OR Kazuya has rendered any of this meaningless. While Andre and Morison are innocents here, and Elly and Arnet certainly deserve certain karma kickbacks to the gut, that was the past, and I don't believe either Satella OR Kazuya would wish for karma to kick their asses. (They certainly deserve it). Remember, just before the last crash Elly had Satella trying to deceive Kazuya into THINKING he had to take responsibility for something he hadn't done. Worse then "rape" or forcing someone to love someone they don't want to? That said, my comment regarding the Kazuya has to die was taken from a number of other forum discussions where at least one or two rail about how he's the worst thing since Louis in the siblings arc with no possible way to absolution. But your right, that's likely me reading into the conversation here. Now, I do understand the concerns, regarding NTR, NTR should remain in the realm of Hentai stories unless it's drastically needed for the effect (read school days) of the story. WHICH I DONT BELIEVE FREEZING IS. Maybe there is a further misunderstanding here. I never meant to say that Arnet or Elly (or other Pandora) should choose to remain with their limiters because Kazuya doesn't want them. I see it very differently. Yes, of course Kazuya has joined interest in them, for multiple reasons. He has satella and Rana, neither of which caused him problems intentionally previously. He also in my view is not that type to actively TRY to NTR anyone away. He also didn't intend to have his power effect their emotions. All that aside, cause it's not about Kazuya here as you say. It's all about Elly and Arnet and their limiters. We already know Elly has a strong connection to Andre, he risked everything for her, and she trusted him not to fall to pieces when she needed him the most. She and Arnet were also that angry after Kazuya released his freezing effect, which means it is, at least currently, an active skill, not a passive one. Sure he could ramp it up and force their feelings, but then it's forced. And any analogy I could use here might offend or upset further. All I can point to is the untranslated recent chapters where they seem to have gotten past this recent deveopment. I'm sure Kazuya will try to find his limits in practice and find out what Pandora and Limiters would trust him to do his thing without affecting their emotional states, thus preventing future incidents.

I think more important than 'not being practical' is the fact that its completely disgusting and degrading. But that's me.

 

Also, personally, I think NTR should just be avoid full stop, not just 'in certain cases'. This manga's got no NTR tags and never advertised it as having NTR (or netori or whatever) at all so to suddenly make it happen is a nasty surprise for tons of people following it who don't like that sort of stuff.

 

The only way 'the power' can 'replace' 'love' is if the author is really sexist and decides to make it that being mind controlled somehow is preferable to a girl than spending years developing an intimate emotional connection with someone. In the real world nothing like that exists, you can't 'grope' a girl so good she loves you, but the author could choose to make it happen. Also, I'd hope, none of us here subscribe to as horrible a world view as 'women are property of men'.

 

Personally I don't see how you can 'rail' too much about this latest development. I mean I'm a Pair Love Stories fan, explicitly I like this story because of the characters and relationships inside it, that's literally my main draw. So...if the main storyline now out of nowhere invalidates that of course it'll be upsetting to me, it just destroyed the main reason I cared about the story at all.

 

Also who said Kazuya had to die? All I said was that it sucks that the relationships in these side stories are meaningless now. Honestly why do you keep making this about Kazuya? The people suffering here is the Limiters who spent years with their Pandora partners only to instantly be discarded in favour of Kazuya. How would you like it if a relationship you spent years making suddenly ceased to exist because a total stranger just snapped his fingers?

 

Also its not just good enough that 'the Limiters stay with their Partners' for fans of these side stories, we like these side stories not because the Limiters and Pandora 'tolerate' each other but because they love each other. I don't want Arnett to just shrug and go 'eh, I guess we can be partners since Kazuya doesn't want me' I want Arnett to love Morrison and want to be Morrison's partner and friend more than she wants to be Kazuya's. This is called 'Love Stories' isn't it?

 

Anyway I still don't see how there's any meaning in reading this side story anymore. I mean I liked Arnett and Morrison's chapters because of their character development, but now I know that Arnett would murder Morrison quite happily if Kazuya wanted her too, I can't really invest in a relationship where on partner's happy to murder the other partner. I mean...surely we can agree if you're willing to kill someone you probably don't love them?

 

So I'm still waiting for an answer, what reason do I have to invest or care about these relationships anymore, now that Kazuya's rendered them all meaningless?

We could argue and go back and forth forever, Im just saying some of my intepretations over time have given me the above impressions here and there.  Am I saying all pandora should be or aught to be Kazuya's "sex slaves" ?  No, certainly not.  Even if Gengo would wish for it, its not practical either.  

 

I agree with you however, that Morrison and Arnet are good together, I agree that Andre and Elly are good together, and should be left together, and NTR should be avoided in their cases entirely.

 

Hell, Kazuya is like his father in that aspect where he doesnt WANT that.  We already see him dealing with Rana 'poorly' when she claims she's happy just being second.

 

As for the power, maybe we keep missing the point with it.  How can 'power' ever replace the true love, the true commitment.  While maybe it can with that syndrome where captives fall in love with their captors, its not a pure love by most if not all measurement scales.  Well, not unless you subscribe to 'women are property to be used as men wish' viewpoints.

 

The real truth is, however, that until we learn more about kazuya's limits and his abilities, and Gengo's wishs and how Freezing in general works, which likely will involve a 3 - 5 year Nova history arc at current  monthly release pace, we won't know.

I'll be so glad when LDY sheds light on if its expected for those two to be torn away from their limiters.

 

I myself don't want it, don't desire it, and would be upset, but it woudn't effect my interest in the series at all.  I'm just saying some people seem to rail a bit about storyline a bit to much.

 

I mean its bad when people go from 'Louis must die' to 'Kazuya must die' just because he used his power to save everyone.  yea, Im on the power again.

 

Im sure Arnet and Elly would rather have been dead, or had their limiters dead before Kazuya acted.

 

We can agree on the limiters need to remain with their designated/chosen partner Pandora.  I loved each of their stories, but they don't mean less because of recent developments in the main story (In my view).

I'm just saying is all that life is an excersize in settling.

 

 

That's blatantly untrue. Billions of humans throughout history get into relationships they wouldn't be willing to give up for someone else or cheat in. Because billions of humans love their partners more than they love anyone else, to say everyone just 'settles' is a complete lie.

 

Also, seriously, why do you keep harping on about the power? The power doesn't matter, its what the power implies for emotions and emotional relationships.

 

Real love, and emotions, need to be created through interaction and memory. The author here is saying Kazuya can somehow make emotions just out of thin air which utterly destroys any significance or meaning any emotion or relationship has.

 

Seriously can you not get this problem? The problem is that Kazuya's new power means that Arnett would rather be with a  total stranger based on no merit whatsoever than with someone she's spent years getting close to and being intimate with. That's a sick misogynistic fantasy.

 

Besides are you literally just saying the Pandora are sex slaves? That Kazuya has the right to them all even though none of them ever agreed to anything like that? Also, seriously, how can you NTR someone away from someone their not in a relationship with, how does that make any sense at all?

 

Having read your reply I'm now seriously wondering what's the point of caring about Pair Love Stories I mean, if as you say, its all meaningless anyway because all the Pandora belong to Kazuya and will always love Kazuya then why should I care about reading about them wasting their time with people they don't love in a story which is explicitly about romance?

 

You know I like Arnett and Morrison's relationship, I really wanted to believe they loved each other, thanks for ruining that for me by telling me that Arnett will never love Morrison as much as she loves Kazuya.

 

Its just completely sick. Its a freakin' hormonal teenage boy power fantasy. Recognizing girls as people is tough so lets just say they all love me instantly without even knowing me, what a pathetic and insulting thing to do.

 

Seriously Godric, since you're releasing these, as an audience member why should I care about this Side Story or even read it? I mean its explicitly called 'Love Stories' the whole point is 'romance' but if the couples inside are all fake anyway or the Pandora would all leave their Limiters for Kazuya if allowed to, why should I care? What possible reason is there to then care about this story, please answer me that.

Firstly that example is a little off, to be accurate to Freezing the example would have to be; 'Imagine if you and Jason had been in an intimate relationship for several years, trusting each other, learning about each other, communicating with each other and building a meaningful bond with each other. Then one day a virtual stranger; John, comes up and violates you and you instantly fall madly in love with John and want to be his slave and willingly offer to do anything you can to please him, even killing Jason if John wants it,' that'd be more accurate since you left out that the Pandora and Limiters have had relationships over years, whereas their feelings for Kazuya just spontaneously 'poofed' into existence.

 

Does that sound like a healthy relationship to you? More importantly, does that sound like how actual girls behave in relationships?

 

Also I don't see where you're coming from with the 'crush' thing since people explicitly get over infatuations. Sure I've had people I was infatuated with in the past but right now, at this present moment, I'm only in love with my boyfriend, no one else. Its not like its a complex test or anything.

 

I don't want to get too personal so I'll avoid the question about your relationship, sorry, and just say that if you love a person you love a person, how you felt in the past isn't important. The person you love is who you love at the present moment. I think almost everyone has people they loved in the past but don't love anymore, that's normal.

 

Also the hot girl example doesn't work. When a hot guy gives me attention, even if I get excited, I don't at all want to become their slave, fall in love with them or become willing to murder my boyfriend.

 

Anyway I hope Ticy, Arnett and Elly don't just forget about Abel, Morrison and André, you bet, I also just am waiting for some evidence that they haven't.

 

Also, since you've been releasing these chapters, I'm surprised you think its weird that people would want these couples to not get sunk. I mean I love this side story series because I love the characters inside, their so cute, so I don't want the main story to make it that the Pandora actually all just love Kazuya and the rest of the Limiters can just go die in a ditch somewhere.

 

As it stands, sadly, Yandere is closer to correct than I'd like. I mean, at current, the Arnett and Ticy chapters seem pretty meaningless. The character development we saw in them was pretty much erased by Kazuya with a hand wave. Pretty tragic actually.

I'm just saying is all that life is an excersize in settling.  

 

While I agree it would suck for Morrison and Andre if that happened, but I don't think it will happen that way.  It was a matter of Kazuya successfully using his power to that extent for the first time.

 

And while I say 'to that extent' he overpowered them and didnt intend to.  I guess its like going from a VW beatle to a F1 race car? I dunno, I just imagine having a huge problem with handling that much power and giving just what you need when you need it without spinning out of control.

 

In my mind this is what Kazuya did.  Does he have the power to make them love him?  Sure, but if you want to take it further any person has the power to make any other person love them.  Just because they don't doesn't make the one they are with no any less valid.

 

We could flip it on its ear.  Maybe these pandora where all SUPPOSED to be with Kazuya, its how I read some of that flashback, the pandora where meant to belong to Ryuuichi, as commander of them all (I admit, I am probably reading ALOT into between the lines).  As a result it's passed down to Kazuya.  Its my IMPRESSION that limiters on a wide spread use where a stopgap measure to replace Ryuuichi's refusal and subsquent suicide.

 

So, in the end, we could be saying Morrison and Andre NTR'ed Arnet and Elly away from Kazuya before he was even on the scene.

 

In my mind I have Gengo with Kazuya before him saying 'oh btw kiddo, all of Genetics pandora are your toys to command as you wish and desire'.

 

Maybe its due to my having read the crossmakes and implanting some of that in between the lines of what I'm seeing in the main Freezing story, especially seeing that last flashback.

 

I could be wrong, I have been wrong, and on some fronts, I hope I'm wrong.

 

I hope for Andre and Morrison as characters too.

 

Now if your speaking solely from Elly adn Arnet's perspective.  It was never love if it couldnt withstand someones 'brainwashing', or 'mental control'.

Yeah, sort of, the thing is just that I'm a fan of this story series, that's why I follow it, but what am I meant to care about if I know all these couples don't actually care about each other? I mean...what am I investing in if I can't invest in their relationships, that's pretty much all Pair Love Stories is about.

Firstly that example is a little off, to be accurate to Freezing the example would have to be; 'Imagine if you and Jason had been in an intimate relationship for several years, trusting each other, learning about each other, communicating with each other and building a meaningful bond with each other. Then one day a virtual stranger; John, comes up and violates you and you instantly fall madly in love with John and want to be his slave and willingly offer to do anything you can to please him, even killing Jason if John wants it,' that'd be more accurate since you left out that the Pandora and Limiters have had relationships over years, whereas their feelings for Kazuya just spontaneously 'poofed' into existence.

 

Does that sound like a healthy relationship to you? More importantly, does that sound like how actual girls behave in relationships?

 

Also I don't see where you're coming from with the 'crush' thing since people explicitly get over infatuations. Sure I've had people I was infatuated with in the past but right now, at this present moment, I'm only in love with my boyfriend, no one else. Its not like its a complex test or anything.

 

I don't want to get too personal so I'll avoid the question about your relationship, sorry, and just say that if you love a person you love a person, how you felt in the past isn't important. The person you love is who you love at the present moment. I think almost everyone has people they loved in the past but don't love anymore, that's normal.

 

Also the hot girl example doesn't work. When a hot guy gives me attention, even if I get excited, I don't at all want to become their slave, fall in love with them or become willing to murder my boyfriend.

 

Anyway I hope Ticy, Arnett and Elly don't just forget about Abel, Morrison and André, you bet, I also just am waiting for some evidence that they haven't.

 

Also, since you've been releasing these chapters, I'm surprised you think its weird that people would want these couples to not get sunk. I mean I love this side story series because I love the characters inside, their so cute, so I don't want the main story to make it that the Pandora actually all just love Kazuya and the rest of the Limiters can just go die in a ditch somewhere.

 

As it stands, sadly, Yandere is closer to correct than I'd like. I mean, at current, the Arnett and Ticy chapters seem pretty meaningless. The character development we saw in them was pretty much erased by Kazuya with a hand wave. Pretty tragic actually.

To be fair I can understand where you're coming from Yandere. It felt like a real slap in the face to me when I saw Arnett gushing about how much she loved Kazuya and that's not even mentioning Elizabeth and André who's relationship was actually pretty well shown in the main manga.

 

Also, Godric, I think you're misunderstanding what they're saying. Yandere didn't say Kazuya did anything wrong he just said that its sad that after an entire Side Story showing these couples and after the whole arc about Elizabeth and André's feelings for each other, having it that the Pandora actually all love Kazuya more than anyone (without even a good reason since they barely know him at all).

 

Your 'counter-argument' is also pretty weird. I mean...what does it matter whether or not Kazuya does anything? If your spouse walks up to you and tells you; "Hey, honey, sorry but I actually love someone else far more than I love you but they won't accept me so...I guess I'll settle for you but just remember I'd always leave you if I could and you'd never mean as much to me as this other person does," would you be happy? Would you call that love? Obviously not.

 

Also Kazuya's not the only one entitled to find happiness and love, you know? Males other than Kazuya also matter and I, for one, am really disappointed in Pair Love Stories being completely invalidated.

I understand that, but there's a counter-argument I've used that seems to get lost.

 

Lets say you fell in love with someone.  lets call his name 'John'.  John is in love with someone else but you'd seriously give your life up for him.

 

John has no interest in you, regardless of your feelings.  He never really looks at you, maybe talks to you once in a while but his interest is in Jane.  Jane is semi indifferent to it, but she's slowly looking at him as a lover.

 

You meet Jason, who treats you good, pays attention to you.  You still love John, but because you don't get any attention from him you continue with Jason, and end up marrying him.  Saying of course you love him.  You've essentially given up on John, who 'theoretically' could change his mind at any moment and look your way.

 

If this was true, everyone with a crush, or unrequited love on the face of the planet would never trust anyone with their hearts, with their lives.  It would be "I'm only with you becuase I cant have..." across the entire world.

 

Maybe its me, maybe its because of my own relatinships... I was nuts over one girl, who never returned my feelings, and forced myself to look elsewhere.  Does this mean I love my wife less?

 

And before we get into the obvious question.  Yes, she knew when we started out, that I was still 'nuts' over the other girl.  That was 22 years ago.

 

I guess this is why I really don't  understand or grasp the deal many have where kazuya is ruining relationships by 'making' other pandora fall for him.  Ok, he did a bit more, he used his massive Freezing power to grab the attentions of those two hearts, but otherwise he has no interest and tried to minimize the effects.

 

That would be like a hot girl winking at me and tossing her long hair back from a short distance as she made my heart go pitter patter.  Does it mean I've disrespected my wife?  No, not at all, it means I reacted physiologically and uncontrollably for a brief moment.

 

Just because Elly, Arnet, Ticy, or whatever other Pandora where affected for a moment or two doesnt mean they are gonna completely forget about their limiters.

 

I would HOPE their relationships are stronger then that, or else it really wasn't much of a partnership to begin with and Morison and Andre deserve much better then those two.

To be fair I can understand where you're coming from Yandere. It felt like a real slap in the face to me when I saw Arnett gushing about how much she loved Kazuya and that's not even mentioning Elizabeth and André who's relationship was actually pretty well shown in the main manga.

 

Also, Godric, I think you're misunderstanding what they're saying. Yandere didn't say Kazuya did anything wrong he just said that its sad that after an entire Side Story showing these couples and after the whole arc about Elizabeth and André's feelings for each other, having it that the Pandora actually all love Kazuya more than anyone (without even a good reason since they barely know him at all).

 

Your 'counter-argument' is also pretty weird. I mean...what does it matter whether or not Kazuya does anything? If your spouse walks up to you and tells you; "Hey, honey, sorry but I actually love someone else far more than I love you but they won't accept me so...I guess I'll settle for you but just remember I'd always leave you if I could and you'd never mean as much to me as this other person does," would you be happy? Would you call that love? Obviously not.

 

Also Kazuya's not the only one entitled to find happiness and love, you know? Males other than Kazuya also matter and I, for one, am really disappointed in Pair Love Stories being completely invalidated.