Tondemo Skill de Isekai Hourou Meshi

Oh my god a debate just  hours before closing, I love you guys. 

probably the last chapter i read in this manga before batoto shut down... i will miss this...

I can't understand...how do you guys not see that the world of a story is only built on the will of the author. If the author doesn't present and information regarding discrimination, then the viewer can assume that it is irrelevant to the narrative. There is no invisible force making every story have to be about racism. You wanna know how I know? CUZ THERE ARE FANTASY STORIES WITHOUT RACISM.

And these are generally better written because the author has given themselves the freedom to write a novel of true fantasy. Remember what the word fantasy actually means? The most incredible thoughts that the mind can conjure. It does not mean trudge around shitholes and wooden huts.

I mean, this makes me really yearn for some StarCraft storytelling. The history of the protoss in it's entirety is so beautiful. Using the acceptance and rejection of the kahla as their metanarrative resulting in societies of giant golden cities and warp drives and laser beams.

But then the metanarrative shifted to the idea of "do we really want to reclaim our homeland? Do we really want to sacrifice thousands of lives to the zerg just to get a lump of dirt back? That's fascinating. And you know what? Maybe there was discrimination. Especially against the dark templar. But Artanis dealt with that in no time so it was pretty irrelevant besides as a tool to make the dark templar exist.

And do you know what we lost by not centralizing the narrative around racism? NOTHING.

But like I said, you guys read isekai. None of you wanna think an inch out of that box that you climbed into. You've all fucking duct taped the box shut so that no one can pull you out. But if you are doing that, try to at least poke a little hole in the box, or you might find yourself suffocating.

Guys, lean back for one second. Take a deep breath. And think clearly now. Why does a fantasy setting have to automatically be set in medieval times? Really think about this for a second. This is another world. One that has an entirely different structure, history, culture, etc. But we take it as given that it will be the exact same as Earth. That's absurd.

 

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I literally don't bother reading the parts of these manga that explain their history anymore because they are ALL either racism, or religion because those were the two most prominent metanarratives of medieval times. Here's a thought. How about we don't bring up racism in our story. Instead, the entire world has been hit by rampant natural disasters. And then centralize the rest of the world around that concept.

 

I literally just made that up. The metanarrative simply has to be the big picture. The thing that once you trace back the cause and effect of everything in the world, leads back to that concept. 

But there weren't insane amounts of tornados, earthquakes, and floods back in those times, so nobody even considers it.

 

This isn't even the best I could come up with. You are also allowed to make complex metanarratives like what the author of Moon-Led Journey Across Another World did with the polytheism and ancient dragons that basically shaped the world over the course of thousands of years. That's an interesting concept that is fun to read because I haven't read it a thousand times already. And these gods didn't need to rip off the gods and other deities in our world.

 

But most people that consume isekai stories just want the same story each time just wearing a new hat. That's fine. But I will always ask for better because that's the only way that I could ever hope to get better in the future.

 

That can only come out of the mouth of someone who didn't study archaeology or ethnology. Historical analogies even happened all over the world although the people all had different skin colours,religion,living environments,culture,technologies,etc.

batoto comment section at its finest

You're fooling yourself if you think a world hit by constant natural disasters wouldn't be hit even harder by racism and religious fanaticism.

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that's the way of this world or any world ...

if there's religion / politician / country, then there will be radical in it ...

(happen currently in this world)

 

if there's no religion, then they will fight because different skin color ...

(happen in past where white, black and yellow skin killing each other)

 

if all skill color are same, they will fight because different height or body shape ...

if all body shape are same, they will fight because their clothes different ...

(rivalry and unhealthy competition in Idol and trend of fashion)

 

if all is same, then they will start discriminating based AGE / old ...

(this already happen quite often, even in Japan, older people usually discriminate younger people opinion)

 

that is the reality of any sentient being, including human ...

Guys, lean back for one second. Take a deep breath. And think clearly now. Why does a fantasy setting have to automatically be set in medieval times? Really think about this for a second. This is another world. One that has an entirely different structure, history, culture, etc. But we take it as given that it will be the exact same as Earth. That's absurd.

 

I literally don't bother reading the parts of these manga that explain their history anymore because they are ALL either racism, or religion because those were the two most prominent metanarratives of medieval times. Here's a thought. How about we don't bring up racism in our story. Instead, the entire world has been hit by rampant natural disasters. And then centralize the rest of the world around that concept.

 

I literally just made that up. The metanarrative simply has to be the big picture. The thing that once you trace back the cause and effect of everything in the world, leads back to that concept. 

But there weren't insane amounts of tornados, earthquakes, and floods back in those times, so nobody even considers it.

 

This isn't even the best I could come up with. You are also allowed to make complex metanarratives like what the author of Moon-Led Journey Across Another World did with the polytheism and ancient dragons that basically shaped the world over the course of thousands of years. That's an interesting concept that is fun to read because I haven't read it a thousand times already. And these gods didn't need to rip off the gods and other deities in our world.

 

But most people that consume isekai stories just want the same story each time just wearing a new hat. That's fine. But I will always ask for better because that's the only way that I could ever hope to get better in the future.

You're fooling yourself if you think a world hit by constant natural disasters wouldn't be hit even harder by racism and religious fanaticism.

He really at fault. Since the beginning he already leaving town without any graps about the world, in short very lack of information.

You should take a gander at actual literature if you want variety and non-standard stories/settings. The bit you wrote up is pretty much the setting of NK Jemisin's Fifth Season for instance.

But why though. Why are we trying to degrade the form of literature that we all love? I love manga and light novels. Japanese authors do not undergo mandatory lobotomies.

It pains me that in your eyes, anime and manga are just pools of trashy derivative nonsense. Because I like this manga for the most part, but this recent chapter gave me some food for though.

Do we really need to restrict our definition of the word fantasy to medieval times? Can the major events of a world be influenced by things other than bigotted segregation of people?

But the response I get is that I should just tank my expectations instead...damn...depressing stuff.

I literally don't bother reading the parts of these manga that explain their history anymore because they are ALL either racism, or religion because those were the two most prominent metanarratives of medieval times. Here's a thought. How about we don't bring up racism in our story. Instead, the entire world has been hit by rampant natural disasters. And then centralize the rest of the world around that concept.

 

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But most people that consume isekai stories just want the same story each time just wearing a new hat. That's fine. But I will always ask for better because that's the only way that I could ever hope to get better in the future.

You should take a gander at actual literature if you want variety and non-standard stories/settings. The bit you wrote up is pretty much the setting of NK Jemisin's Fifth Season for instance.

Guys, lean back for one second. Take a deep breath. And think clearly now. Why does a fantasy setting have to automatically be set in medieval times? Really think about this for a second. This is another world. One that has an entirely different structure, history, culture, etc. But we take it as given that it will be the exact same as Earth. That's absurd.

 

I literally don't bother reading the parts of these manga that explain their history anymore because they are ALL either racism, or religion because those were the two most prominent metanarratives of medieval times. Here's a thought. How about we don't bring up racism in our story. Instead, the entire world has been hit by rampant natural disasters. And then centralize the rest of the world around that concept.

 

I literally just made that up. The metanarrative simply has to be the big picture. The thing that once you trace back the cause and effect of everything in the world, leads back to that concept. 

But there weren't insane amounts of tornados, earthquakes, and floods back in those times, so nobody even considers it.

 

This isn't even the best I could come up with. You are also allowed to make complex metanarratives like what the author of Moon-Led Journey Across Another World did with the polytheism and ancient dragons that basically shaped the world over the course of thousands of years. That's an interesting concept that is fun to read because I haven't read it a thousand times already. And these gods didn't need to rip off the gods and other deities in our world.

 

But most people that consume isekai stories just want the same story each time just wearing a new hat. That's fine. But I will always ask for better because that's the only way that I could ever hope to get better in the future.

It's realistic.
The human race killed and enslaved their kin because of a difference in opinion and skin color.
Imagine if you add to that real different races.

But not only is it realistic, the time frame and localization that these take place in had and practically required it. For any story in medieval European settings (or earlier) to not have debtors or pow slavery is incredibly unrealistic. They didn't have prisons, and couldn't afford them anyway. They needed labor, and the only other option was simply killing the offenders. Add into that racism, as advertised, and you get what America (the U.S.) had previously. This is a little unfair in a medieval setting... Oh, but wait, we have "the church" versus everything else (pegans, or other non-"the church" religions). While this would necessarily lead to slavery, it would often lead to death, in a fairly dramatic way...

MidoriKitzune, I wouldn't call that racism. Fear of the unknown isn't racism. What is being depicted IS racism, but what you are describing is not necessarily. Also, to truly eliminate racism we would have to have exposure to all of the different races and their cultures from a young age... Which, I can tell you from personal experience, is extremely difficult.
It woukd be better to induce mutual understanding of differences. "Just because someone is different, doesn't mean they are bad. Just because someone thinks differently doesn't make them wrong. Hear what they think and consider how it is different, and why... Etc." And THAT is exceptionally difficult...

Doesn't matter if you and me are non-racist.

The majority is racist, at least closet racist.

 

Rather species-ist of you.

It's realistic.

The human race killed and enslaved their kin because of a difference in opinion and skin color.

Imagine if you add to that real different races.

Medival times would be like that.

And someday it would end up like now.

And further down the future ... maybe more like Star Fleets ... zero racism.

 

But humans are animals, that hate everything better and different to themself.

Add to that possible longer lifetimes, magic skills etc and you get an easy target for racism.

Even more so, if they're a minority.

 

 

Doesn't matter if you and me are non-racist.

The majority is racist, at least closet racist.

One last smug doggo before batoto went dodo

I'm getting really tired of this narrative that's in 90% of fantasy stories. Yeah, racism = bad, what a revolutionary idea. These authors do know that there are other metanarratives that they can use right?

It's realistic.

The human race killed and enslaved their kin because of a difference in opinion and skin color.

Imagine if you add to that real different races.

I'm getting really tired of this narrative that's in 90% of fantasy stories. Yeah, racism = bad, what a revolutionary idea. These authors do know that there are other metanarratives that they can use right?

Such as (and for the same time period only please).

I'm getting really tired of this narrative that's in 90% of fantasy stories. Yeah, racism = bad, what a revolutionary idea. These authors do know that there are other metanarratives that they can use right?

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hmm, is his food also affect him too or not ? (considering it comes from his own earth)
also, is the boost based percentage or fixed amount ?

He isn't very bright is he? Why not just buff himself with his god like food and then fight small grunts to gain more power?


I'd say the quality dropped after chicken sister.

In this scenario he was dragged into it so he is not thinking straight but in the next chapters he will eat and earn buffs. This happen after his wish for divine protection/blessing got granted.....for a price.
He tested it and certain foods offer a specific buffs. Food x offer agility food y offer strength.

He isn't very bright is he? Why not just buff himself with his god like food and then fight small grunts to gain more power?

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hmm, is his food also affect him too or not ? (considering it comes from his own earth)

also, is the boost based percentage or fixed amount ?

He isn't very bright is he? Why not just buff himself with his god like food and then fight small grunts to gain more power?

 

 

I'd say the quality dropped after chicken sister.

Yeah ... its dragged out now.

But that's normal.

It should have ended already. Typical "Mangaka is forced to prolong it duo not having any ideas for a new work" story arcs now.

 

And yup... self buff for win :3.

But it's japanese beta herbivore mc with a inferitory complex.

He isn't very bright is he? Why not just buff himself with his god like food and then fight small grunts to gain more power?

 

 

Dungeon Meshi is good too.

It's avtually heavy on the plot + comedy and action.

I'd say the quality dropped after chicken sister.

this is the only decent isekai chef series i've ever read. the only other manga series that came close to this good regarding food is Kuutei Dragons...and that's not an isekai (it's just fantasy)

Dungeon Meshi is good too.

It's avtually heavy on the plot + comedy and action.

Well, not exactly. The main point was time. The human was wondering why should he spend all day looking for eggs and birds if he could sacrifice some grains and get birds near home. Then he could use that saved time in other ways. Also domestication was a sure source of food if the fields went bad.

Domestication also had the side effect of offering by-products.
Domesticate birds? Free eggs.
Your goat or cow got delivered an offspring? You got milk.
Sheeps? They are a walking wool factory!
Bees? Look at that, honey
If you prefer the seaside, how about oysters? You can get pearls from them

This is so good, I always ignored the "iseka chef" trope but this one is really nice.

 

this is the only decent isekai chef series i've ever read. the only other manga series that came close to this good regarding food is Kuutei Dragons...and that's not an isekai (it's just fantasy)